[saratogaman]

Wait until Hallmark gets word of this.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by saratogaman

wait until hallmark gets word of this.

lol

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Thats a solid observation. I do however have concern when anyone wants to hang onto the OLD way of doing things when in fact change is the best survival trait the human race has. Species are lost forever constantly because they do not have the ability to change and modify their position on life issues. Humans do have that ability and although lots of us come into change kicking and crying all the way, look back at all we have accomplished as the human race through change to the OLD STANDARD WAY of doing things like:

Racial integration
Womens rights

So don't say no to change just for the sake of THE OLD DAYS, and look deeper into what the change would mean to so many other people and not just your own selfish interest.

Lou

Wow! Incredibly thoughtful; I completely agree, especially the highlighted paragraph.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Lou. This is getting a little tiny bit off topic, my friend.

We are talking about the name of a "kind of commemoration day".
We are talking about Mothers day. I think your post refers to baseball, hotdogs, apple pies and Chevrolets.

I don't feel that Golfingnut was off topic at all. We're talking about a congressionally-created holiday that even the woman who was the impetus behind it was unhappy with what it morphed into!

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I see the truth of the matter as being very selfish. Mothers day is nice, Fathers day evens out the playing field, but Family day would be all inclusive and much less selfish. I am a father and Don't need a day for that but to build family values thru Family Day is a great idea. I have Veterans day, BIG HARRY DEAL. I did 22 years in the army because I thought it was the life for me, they paid me well and thats it, you don't need to honor me for it. I would want you to honor Family Day instead. I don't consider it being honored when someone salutes me that figured out a way not to be a veteran gets up in my face with a smile and a handshake. Veterans day should be between veterans and not those that did not participate. Mothers day should be with other mothers, But we all have interest in Family Day.
And Gracie, I am not off topic at all, the OP was about changing Mothers Day to Family Day and I am offering options to Mothers day that would be helpful to people and not just a silly I Love you mom day that is more of a benefit to big business than the structure of Good Family Values. Try to remember there are children out there without mothers or without fathers, but deserve just as much love and respect as those that do. How do they feel when Mothers day is celebrated or Fathers day is celebrated when Dad is not present. Family Day would allow them access to the party with whom ever they respect as the head of family that they respect and that helped them through troubled times. If being a mother or father was important to you, then you should not need accolades for your participation. I do not go through life making decisions that will later get me a pat on the back.

I love everyone, but the less fortunate are at the top of my list.

More great points, especially those highlighted! I have a friend (not in TV) who often says, "The best thing about 'the good old days' is that they're gone!" I don't always agree, but as pointed out earlier, change is part of our evolution, both physical AND social.

Originally Posted by OnTrack

Don't listen to those who think you're not "on topic."

You're not only on topic...you're "dead on." ....

Once again, agreed!

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Very true, but don't do Christmas at school. Don't do mothers day in a school setting. When you celebrate or honor in a school setting, don't eliminate kids without mothers, don't eliminate kids that are not Christians. I think the point of the school was to be inclusive and not degrade anyone that did not fit into the box of what some folks wrongly consider the majority. That is fine in your home, but where all taxpayers go, then it should include them even if they are not like the Majority. It is so simple to me yet seems to be confusing to others. Oh Well. I tried. Open your mind and your hearts and show love and respect for everyone, not just your specific group.

You didn't just "try" (which implies failure); you succeeded--and succeeded well--with those who are thoughtful and open-minded. And it IS simple. Thank you for your thoughtfulness and concern for others. I think I know you....

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Thank you as well. I fit into the majority. I seem to fall into the majority in almost every category, yet I am so concerned about those that don't. We celebrate CHRISTMAS, MOTHERS DAY and all the rest of the Majority days in at our house, but I feel the pain for so many that don't quite fit and yet have to endure my holidays when they do not apply to them. It would be like being a Christian living in IRAN. This is a nation of acceptance for all not just the majority. If you are truly an American you should be happy and respect the diversity of this great nation. Eliminating anyone because they are not in the Majority is not what this country stands for.

Now I KNOW that I know you! Sadly, what our country stands for does not necessarily reflect the views of all its citizenry. We can LEGISLATE anything-- including Mother's and Father's Days--but that doesn't mean we change anyone's hearts; that's up to us individually....

[billethkid]

[graciegirl]

I kinda think this might be political and I never thought of things like this as political so I will continue to not think about it as political. I hear things I don't understand about commercialism and stuff like that so I guess it means something different to others.

To me it is just a day. You don't have to do anything if you don't want to.

I am stayin' out of this from now on.

Who knew so many people tied stuff to other stuff and got all excited?

I hate it when there are deep meanings to stuff that I never connected deep meanings to. I think I don't want to understand where everyone is coming from.

Peace brothers...and sisters.

And Mothers and Fathers and Families.

[buggyone]

Kind of amazing how political that an action by one elementary school in one province in Canada gets on this forum.

It is not the entire country that is doing this but just one elementary school. Who is it hurting? Absolutely nobody!!!

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I kinda think this might be political and I never thought of things like this as political so I will continue to not think about it as political. I hear things I don't understand about commercialism and stuff like that so I guess it means something different to others.

NO big Deal Gracie, we all make mistakes on occasion, so don't leave. Everyones point of view should be heard.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

I think it would be a good idea to go with Family Day. You would eliminate sadness for children without mothers or fathers. Family is most important not matter what the gender makeup is. Yea for FAMILY DAY.

Not everyone fits into the same box with the two kids, mom and dad and a white picket fence. In my opinion that does not make them bad or different.

What about the kids that don't have a family. We should never ever celebrate anything because it might make someone feel bad.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

What about the kids that don't have a family. We should never ever celebrate anything because it might make someone feel bad.

Not true. \Even in an orphanage, children can have someone that helps them and that is their family, however if you were right, it would be better never to celebrate anything if it had a possibility of making a child feel left out.

Now with both our silly posts out of the way, I am just saying we should do all we can to include everyone in celebration and not just the select so called Majority. Even minorities have feelings don't ya think. If changing the title on a holiday would ease the pain of rejection on someone, why not?

[2-crazy]

Right on the mark ‘twinklesweep’ but maybe the province should consider the idea.

[redwitch]

My father died when I was young. To this day, I loathe Father's Day -- it's just a reminder that he's gone. My daughter never had a father. Somewhere, there is a sperm donor but I have no idea who he is and neither does her biological mother. More than once she would come home in tears because kids in class were making father's day cards and she didn't have a daddy to make one for. I finally had had enough and went to the school and demanded they stop this practice of making cards and gifts for mother's and father's day -- they had nothing to do with school and were a cruel reminder to children who lost a parent or had never had a mother or a father. These are not holidays that need to be celebrated in school; people can do as they please at home but why is there a need to do this in a school? I applaud this school and wish more schools would join in this practice and more people would understand why it is the right thing to do.

Golfingnut, thank you for being so understanding and caring. If more people would try to walk in the shoes of those who have less, are different or whatever, "political correctness" would not be an issue -- it would be a natural act.

BTW -- More than once in my life I was the child who was out of place for celebrating Christmas (Middle East, Central Africa, Far East). My friends, the schools, the adults all tried to help my brother and I and our family feel welcome and let us know it was okay to be different than they. We were invited to celebrate their religion and beliefs with them; they celebrated with us when it didn't conflict with their beliefs. When did the world become so much less accepting and understanding? When did it become not okay to be different, to have different beliefs?

[graciegirl]

I still don't think Mother's day is hard on folks that don't have one. As I said before, my mother died giving birth to me...BUT.... Most of us have a grandmother. I did and loved her dearly and she loved me.

I just don't get it. The folks without moms are few and far between and when I became a mom, it made up for it big time.

I just don't understand this issue at all. Even if a child has two dads or two moms. So what. He can bring one of them a card on Mothers day or both of them.

Like most things in life, we just have to put on our big girl panties and deal with it.

Life isn't always fair, but it is pretty much the same for all of us.

I just don't get that it is a problem, having Mother's day. It has been around as long as I remember and it seems like a pleasant thing to have.

I sure am missing this message.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by OnTrack

You're buying into the commercialization mindset, that has beset Mothers and Fathers Day.....from the beginning.


Why can't it be about doing kind acts, thinking of others first, appreciating family (warts and all)...and just spending quality time together?

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That's it. I'm crossing several of y'all off my Christmas shopping list!

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by DougB

That's it. I'm crossing several of y'all off my Christmas shopping list!

Fair enough.

In keeping with the spirit of doing kind acts, does that mean you will caddie a round for me?


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[KeepingItReal]

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