[yesi3putt2]

Originally Posted by NoMoSno

hmmm...not a student of the school and inside the building with a short barreled shotgun (sawed off).
Might be time to have metal detectors at the doorways like every post office has.

I misread your post 1st time around..thought it said "mental detectors" and thought.."Hey..that's a great concept"...

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by jane032657

Our housekeeper was called by the school while at our house today. Her children go to that school. When it is your child or children, and no names are released, and you are told to go immediately to a location without information, it is a nightmare. She said is was a surreal experience and nothing like watching it happen on tv when it has nothing directly to do with you. Thankfully her children are ok and the shooter was found quickly. I do not know an easy answer, I have a lot of opinion, but I do know the panic in her voice and the fear she was experiencing brings it pretty close to home.

You make an excellent point about how tragedies like this are a bit abstract...until they affect someone directly.

Trying to put myself in the shoes of a parent experiencing a nightmare like this in real time...it's hard to even imagine the overwhelming terror most parents would feel.

Thank goodness it was a good outcome for your housekeeper...as all too many aren't so lucky.

[Taltarzac725]

We should approach these problems from every conceivable angle and do anything that will lessen the possibility of it happening again. These kids deserve a safe place to learn. Most of us sure had one.

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[PennBF]

You can't make it up. We wonder why there is so much crime and murders and brutal beatings, and all the other criminal and social problems we are having. Lets take a look: We have closed the Psychiatric Centers and turned the mental ill on to the streets, we have allowed and fostered violent video games on the young, we have made marijuna legal and pushed it on to the young by having independent businesses made community centers, we have desenstized our youth to death and killing, our movies have basic contents=smoking, and drinking and killings, we honor those that try to destroy the US which brings down any authority. The shame of all of this is that I have just touched on why our communities and country are failing !
We get the youth drunk, give them a mind altering drug, show them loads of killings and put them in a community with the insane and then sit back and ask why this section of our land is acting as they are. As I say: YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP.

[Bogie Shooter]

I recently watched a couple of old Humphrey Bogart movies...........there sure was a lot of smoking and drinking.

[Polar Bear]

Every generation has had their bad influences to deal with.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

I recently watched a couple of old Humphrey Bogart movies...........there sure was a lot of smoking and drinking.

smoking and drinking and carrying on.

Don't forget all that carrying on. This bunch of scallywags didn't invent that either.

Lot of carrying on going on these days. I think they have Humphrey and all beat to heck and back.

[PennBF]

Hopefully we have not forgotten: In those days we had police that were respected and there was law and order, we also did not tolerate drunks as easy as today, parents were respected and the father was still at home, families went to church, we did not tolerate mind altering drugs. I was born in the 30's, grew up in the 40's and 50's and worked in the 60's-2005 in the US so I did see and do see the changes and they are not good. We have more cowards today who explain everything away so they don't have to address the problems or worse are also enjoying the lack civility and care less about what our children will or are facing! That makes it just that more sad.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Hopefully we have not forgotten: In those days we had police that were respected and there was law and order, we also did not tolerate drunks as easy as today, parents were respected and the father was still at home, families went to church, we did not tolerate mind altering drugs. I was born in the 30's, grew up in the 40's and 50's and worked in the 60's-2005 in the US so I did see and do see the changes and they are not good. We have more cowards today who explain everything away so they don't have to address the problems or worse are also enjoying the lack civility and care less about what our children will or are facing! That makes it just that more sad.

I agree. AND because I taught kindergartners, I do believe that what happens in the first five years is crucial to a child's moral compass. People give their little one's over to people they wouldn't trust with their car keys.

[kstew43]

I spent my teen years in Ocala and was so sad to see what had happened.
I graduated from Forest High school in 76, the old location off Silver Springs.

Ocala was full of good ole boys..... and rifles in the trucks was not an uncommon site.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why this type of thing didn't happen back then...??? Guns were so available back then, but people just didn't use them in the way they do today....

So sad..... my nephew was at school that day, he heard the shot and took off for the woods.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Hopefully we have not forgotten: In those days we had police that were respected and there was law and order, we also did not tolerate drunks as easy as today, parents were respected and the father was still at home, families went to church, we did not tolerate mind altering drugs. I was born in the 30's, grew up in the 40's and 50's and worked in the 60's-2005 in the US so I did see and do see the changes and they are not good. We have more cowards today who explain everything away so they don't have to address the problems or worse are also enjoying the lack civility and care less about what our children will or are facing! That makes it just that more sad.

Sorry, but I think either your memory is selective...or you are unaware of what it was really like.

'Drunks' (particularly drunk drivers), were MUCH more tolerated...especially in smaller towns.

'Tolerated' and/or 'ignored' also, was child abuse (physical and sexual)...and rape by husbands of their wives.

Not to mention, covering for the small %...of bad law enforcement officers.

I could go on and on...but I think you get my point.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Every generation has had their bad influences to deal with.

Yep.

And EVERY generation laments and complains about the lawlessness/lack of manners/recklessness/lack of responsibility/Etc., Etc....of the 'younger generation.'

Which goes for our parents generation...talking about us.

It's been going on since Caveboy Jr. grumbled about getting up at daybreak...to feed the pet Sabre Tooth Tiger.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Sorry, but I think either your memory is selective...or you are unaware of what it was really like.

'Drunks' (particularly drunk drivers), were MUCH more tolerated...especially in smaller towns.

'Tolerated' and/or 'ignored' also, was child abuse (physical and sexual)...and rape by husbands of their wives.

Not to mention, covering for the small %...of bad law enforcement officers.

I could go on and on...but I think you get my point.

I agree.............

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Sorry, but I think either your memory is selective...or you are unaware of what it was really like.

'Drunks' (particularly drunk drivers), were MUCH more tolerated...especially in smaller towns.

'Tolerated' and/or 'ignored' also, was child abuse (physical and sexual)...and rape by husbands of their wives.

Not to mention, covering for the small %...of bad law enforcement officers.

I could go on and on...but I think you get my point.

And the point is? Paved the way for laws and regulations we have today. Majority of kids was raised by the parents (sure that was few bad apples and mental ill), but the majority new right from wrong) not day care, public school, grandma, or parent single mother. Now shall we talk about different media content. No swearing, sex nudity seems, chainsaw massacre's, no violent video games. No instant posting of nudity. Bottom line it's worse! If you can't see that you don't get the point.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

And the point is? Paved the way for laws and regulations we have today. Majority of kids was raised by the parents (sure that was few bad apples and mental ill), but the majority new right from wrong) not day care, public school, grandma, or parent single mother. Now shall we talk about different media content. No swearing, sex nudity seems, chainsaw massacre's, no violent video games. No instant posting of nudity. Bottom line it's worse! If you can't see that you don't get the point.

My "point" was addressing the inaccuracies of post #23...which was explained very clearly in posts #26/#27.