[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

well, I just reviewed the lyrics and listened to some versions by various singers...and I got to say it's a bit creepy. basically, a man trying to convince a woman to do something she's saying she shouldn't do....well, if an individual station chooses to not play that's their right...

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by fw102807

It totally bothers me. I just think that taking down statues and renaming things and banning songs is hurting more than helping. It just makes people angry. The problem is people and the solution needs to be people.

Are you aware of the history (that is, when and why)...most of those confederate statues were built and installed?

How The U.S. Got So Many Confederate Monuments - HISTORY

“Eventually they started to build [Confederate] monuments,” he says. “The vast majority of them were built between the 1890s and 1950s, which matches up exactly with the era of Jim Crow segregation.”

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center’s research, the biggest spike was between 1900 and the 1920s.

As for the song in question, while I can see the MeToo's point (of whom I support) regarding it...I don't think this particular song warrants much scrutiny or outrage.

Originally Posted by rustyp

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

Where is the like button?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rustyp

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

Very, Very well written. I feel the same way. Good men have always been gentle aggressor's in the mating game, and interested women have always been a bit coy.

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Are you aware of the history (that is, when and why)...most of those confederate statues were built and installed?

How The U.S. Got So Many Confederate Monuments - HISTORY

And don't you think that having this kind of discussion about it would be more meaningful than taking them down? People need to discuss these issues and not just sweep them under the rug. This should be the stuff in history curriculums. They were great men who fought for things they thought were right at the time but history has proved them wrong and the statues were put up for the wrong reasons. We need to learn from history or we are bound to repeat it.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by fw102807

And don't you think that having this kind of discussion about it would be more meaningful than taking them down? People need to discuss these issues and not just sweep them under the rug. This should be the stuff in history curriculums. They were great men who fought for things they thought were right at the time but history has proved them wrong and the statues were put up for the wrong reasons. We need to learn from history or we are bound to repeat it.

I believe it is always worth discussing discrimination/racism/bigotry/misogyny/xenophobia/bullying/attempted intimidation/etc., etc.

I also believe the discussion can be had, without looking at a monument that was solely built...to celebrate them.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by rustyp

No where in the song did I see where he blocked the door or restricted her from leaving. As a matter of fact in my mind he adores her, does not ever want her to leave and ultimately marries her. They work hard all their lives. One holiday season realize they can't take the snow anymore and move to The Villages.

If I hadn't said to my bride 45 years ago baby I wish you would stay I probably would have missed the best thing that ever happened to me.

Happy holidays - is that OK to say ?

Sarcasm noted, and everyone might agree, as I, that your analysis of the song is correct....

However, the OP was clear in naming a movement and discussing the lyrics seems very minor, but then of course, an entire network DID spend hours discussing ONE radio station (of over 15,000 stations) that took drastic action.

I simply wonder about motivation on this, while our country is awash in lies and false personal accusations. It seems that should get our attention first. If we are seeking moral and correct standing, it appears this subject is at the bottom of the heap, and concentration n real news is important

When theses lyrics are worthy of what certain are making, and that includes the extremes who called this station, then count ourselves lucky, because methinks priorities are all screwed up here.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Sarcasm noted, and everyone might agree, as I, that your analysis of the song is correct....

However, the OP was clear in naming a movement and discussing the lyrics seems very minor, but then of course, an entire network DID spend hours discussing ONE radio station (of over 15,000 stations) that took drastic action.

I simply wonder about motivation on this, while our country is awash in lies and false personal accusations. It seems that should get our attention first.

When theses lyrics are worthy of what certain are making, and that includes the extremes who called this station, then count ourselves lucky, because methinks priorities are all screwed up here.

I am the king of sarcasm but not this time. I rather live in a bubble on this one. One can post all the analysis and read between the lines on this but in my heart (rare for me to say) the author of this song did not intend to send out a date rape message in the 1940's. That's when coke was a coke.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by rustyp

I am the king of sarcasm but not this time. I rather live in a bubble on this one. One can post all the analysis and read between the lines on this but in my heart (rare for me to say) the author of this song did not intend to send out a date rape message in the 1940's. That's when coke was a coke.

I imagine EVERYONE except extremist would agree.

My question remains....why the outrage over ONE station of thousands would get the attention of an entire network (speaking of making it worthy of discussion with guests, etc.) a thread on here naming the group who supposedly did this (although "group does seem an overstatement), such posts claiming raised eyebrows, when....nobody seems to care about the daily hate and lies and phoney accusations.

I simply think some have their priorities screwed up.....most agree it is stupid but why such chagrin ?

And the only analysis is being done by those who are revolted by this one station, nobody else

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I imagine EVERYONE except extremist would agree.

My question remains....why the outrage over ONE station of thousands would get the attention of an entire network (speaking of making it worthy of discussion with guests, etc.) a thread on here naming the group who supposedly did this (although "group does seem an overstatement), such posts claiming raised eyebrows, when....nobody seems to care about the daily hate and lies and phoney accusations.

I simply think some have their priorities screwed up.....most agree it is stupid but why such chagrin ?

And the only analysis is being done by those who are revolted by this one station, nobody else.

Yep.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

I believe it is always worth discussing discrimination/racism/bigotry/misogyny/xenophobia/bullying/attempted intimidation/etc., etc.

I also believe the discussion can be had, without looking at a monument that was solely built...to celebrate them.

Many mistakes and growth adjustments in our history...see amendments to our constitution.

Some of the statues taken down flew in the face and actually disagreed with some of those amendments.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I imagine EVERYONE except extremist would agree.

My question remains....why the outrage over ONE station of thousands would get the attention of an entire network (speaking of making it worthy of discussion with guests, etc.) a thread on here naming the group who supposedly did this (although "group does seem an overstatement), such posts claiming raised eyebrows, when....nobody seems to care about the daily hate and lies and phoney accusations.

I simply think some have their priorities screwed up.....most agree it is stupid but why such chagrin ?

And the only analysis is being done by those who are revolted by this one station, nobody else

It's not just about this one song. It's about the ideology behind it. Rudolph is already being questioned and then what else will be next. To me it is blaming things for the problem of people. All of us grew up listening to or seeing these things but not all of us are bigoted. I for one do not care if you are striped if you are nice to me I will be nice to you. I volunteer in several places and provide monetary support for several causes. I believe that is how you change things.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by fw102807

It's not just about this one song. It's about the ideology behind it. Rudolph is already being questioned and then what else will be next. To me it is blaming things for the problem of people. All of us grew up listening to or seeing these things but not all of us are bigoted. I for one do not care if you are striped if you are nice to me I will be nice to you. I volunteer in several places and provide monetary support for several causes. I believe that is how you change things.

I suggest to you that such "antics" always existed...ALWAYS.

You never heard of them...no internet, nor did people throw it in your face to advance their own agenda that getting you upset would advance.

Seconding, I do not understand your use of "blaming".

The agenda today is to tell you what to fear, and then insure they keep reminding you of it.

Congrats on your good work....may I add to your list of how to change things......advance the cause of and endorse moral behavior and honesty.

[Chi-Town]

My father said he chased my mother until she caught him. That was 1940.

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[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

"Baby It's Cold Outside" lyrics in #MeToo era: Cleveland radio station Star 102 stops playing popular Christmas song after listeners voice concerns about meaning in the "Me Too" era - CBS News

I can see their point of view. I mean of people in the Me Too movement.

How would I explain those lyrics to my twenty something and younger grand niece and nieces?

Think the conversation about this is more important though than just pulling the song because it has questionable lyrics written in the 1940s which did not have any such connotations back then.

I would rather have the dialog going than just silence it.

In Cleveland that explained it, how would you explain all the rap, you don’t have to they already heard it. The song questionable in 1940, but, by today’s standards of junk on radio stations hardly.