[mtdjed]

Before the Donald is over criticized for his statements , one should recognize that he is a business man. The plan to admit hoards of unvetted persons by the government against States wishes sets up this response by any negotiator. You want all and I say none. Let us look at the facts and plan and do it right. I can be no more critical of all vs none. Let us get it right and not be more critical of the none guy vs the all guy.

[kittygilchrist]

WATCH: Woman Who Was Raised Muslim Just Dropped Truth Bomb About Islam EVERY Lib MUST See

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

WATCH: Woman Who Was Raised Muslim Just Dropped Truth Bomb About Islam EVERY Lib MUST See

She lost me at hello!

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

WATCH: Woman Who Was Raised Muslim Just Dropped Truth Bomb About Islam EVERY Lib MUST See

the video is no longer on the link provided, however it is available on you tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79prQ3BN8RQ

If it does not come up then do a search on the title "silence is consent".

If one is making any attempt at all trying to understand what is going on around us involving "muslims" and what they believe, this girls account should definitely be included....even if it only becomes a basis for challenging what she states to be true, factual or experience.

It is almost 9 minutes long which can be a challenge for some. But if you want an eye opener then just sit and watch. The you decide what to do next about it.

Is she just telling us what we want to hear? I personally do not know. However, I am now committed to learn more using her presentation as a basis.

One thing is for certain, as presented she is very convincing because it does fit that which we are witnessing around the world as we live.

Watch it and decide for yourself.

What do you think about her presentation? Her intent?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by billethkid

the video is no longer on the link provided, however it is available on you tube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79prQ3BN8RQ

If it does not come up then do a search on the title "silence is consent".

If one is making any attempt at all trying to understand what is going on around us involving "muslims" and what they believe, this girls account should definitely be included....even if it only becomes a basis for challenging what she states to be true, factual or experience.

It is almost 9 minutes long which can be a challenge for some. But if you want an eye opener then just sit and watch. The you decide what to do next about it.

Is she just telling us what we want to hear? I personally do not know. However, I am now committed to learn more using her presentation as a basis.

One thing is for certain, as presented she is very convincing because it does fit that which we are witnessing around the world as we live.

Watch it and decide for yourself.

I could only watch a minute or so of her spiel. I did check various Internet sites about what is or what is not in The Koran. It certainly has murder, rape, slavery, conquest, betrayal, etc.

Let's look a this history of the song Amazing Grace. Amazing Grace: The Story of John Newton

Amazing Grace*(2007) - Rotten Tomatoes

https://youtu.be/apIqbOQZNj4

12 Years a Slave (2013) - Rotten Tomatoes

[gomoho]

[QUOTE=Taltarzac725;1156363]I could only watch a minute or so of her spiel. I did check various Internet sites about what is or what is not in The Koran. It certainly has murder, rape, slavery, conquest, betrayal, etc.

Let's look a this history of the song Amazing Grace. Amazing Grace: The Story of John Newton

Amazing Grace*(2007) - Rotten Tomatoes

https://youtu.be/apIqbOQZNj4[/QUOT E]

What in the world does this have to do with Muslims and Jihad? You might want to continue listening to the rest of her "spiel" and learn some more about Islam.

[Taltarzac725]

[QUOTE=gomoho;1156372]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I could only watch a minute or so of her spiel. I did check various Internet sites about what is or what is not in The Koran. It certainly has murder, rape, slavery, conquest, betrayal, etc.

Let's look a this history of the song Amazing Grace. Amazing Grace: The Story of John Newton

Amazing Grace*(2007) - Rotten Tomatoes

https://youtu.be/apIqbOQZNj4[/QUOT E]

What in the world does this have to do with Muslims and Jihad? You might want to continue listening to the rest of her "spiel" and learn some more about Islam.

What other great book has murder, rape, slavery, incest, famine, etc.? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bl..._Search_of_God

Have any of you actually talked to a Muslim in the US??? Malaysia? Iran? Iraq? Egypt? I mean a Muslim in 2015 not 666!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...Muslim_history

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I could only watch a minute or so of her spiel. I did check various Internet sites about what is or what is not in The Koran. It certainly has murder, rape, slavery, conquest, betrayal, etc.

Let's look a this history of the song Amazing Grace. Amazing Grace: The Story of John Newton

Amazing Grace*(2007) - Rotten Tomatoes

https://youtu.be/apIqbOQZNj4

12 Years a Slave*(2013) - Rotten Tomatoes

You know I respect you Tal, and know that you have a level head and a fair mind, but here is my response to your post.


Most of us have intermingled with Jews and Christians or have been raised a Jew or a Christian, we all certainly have good friends who are Jews and Christians and many of us know people who are Hindu and other Eastern religions because we all INTERMINGLE. (That is my new word, I heard it last night from someone who lived for several years in Paris and said that the Muslims there did not intermingle.)


We know about Jews and know that many push the value of education to their children because they have been taught by their parents that owning land is iffy because of being targeted by groups historically. We know they circumcise their baby boys and it is a religious ceremony and we know that they have bar and bat mitzpah at around 12 at it is a big deal socially and for religious reasons. We know that this works because you don't see many Jews asking for anything other than a very wise business deal. We know that Catholics are baptized as infants and then are expected to say they stand for the faith at nine or ten in confirmation. We know they teach only one marriage, no birth control and no abortion and we know hardly anyone who goes along with some of that and they go to Mass every Sunday. We know that Protestants range from very conservative Christians who don't dance to very liberal Christians who don't get married. It seems that the middle are Lutherans, Episcopalians and Methodists. Most of us can say personally that no Jew or no Christian they know personally wanted to kill anyone and martyr themselves for religion. We may not all agree about the nuts and bolts and don't understand completely but only very radical Christians want to kill people who perform abortions. I have NEVER met anyone personally who voiced that opinion. And I really intermingle.


I don't get the sense that Muslims want to share their views unless you come to join. I don't think they feel at all ecumenical. I hear a few say they think it's horrible the killings, but I don't hear what I wish I would hear from big groups of them and that worries me. A few liberal ones maybe, but they aren't the ones with the robes and the beards and the ones I hear saying stuff are women and I am really sure they aren't the religious person in charge. It is a lot like there are no women priests.


Please read between the lines that I am worried and that I have my suspicions that being kind and fair and accepting and doing all the things that good Americans and good people are taught and expected to do may be putting most of us in a very dangerous position, maybe not tomorrow but next year and in ten years.


I won't be here probably in ten years because I am 76 but I treasure my grandchildren like we all do and love many of my friends grandchildren as well. AND I really love this country. And I love many liberal and conservative people who go to a lot of different places to worship and I love a lot of folks who don't believe in God.

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You know I respect you Tal, and know that you have a level head and a fair mind, but here is my response to your post.


Most of us have intermingled with Jews and Christians or have been raised a Jew or a Christian, we all certainly have good friends who are Jews and Christians and many of us know people who are Hindu and other Eastern religions because we all INTERMINGLE. (That is my new word, I heard it last night from someone who lived for several years in Paris and said that the Muslims there did not intermingle.)


We know about Jews and know that many push the value of education to their children because they have been taught by their parents that owning land is iffy because of being targeted by groups historically. We know they circumcise their baby boys and it is a religious ceremony and we know that they have bar and bat mitzpah at around 12 at it is a big deal socially and for religious reasons. We know that this works because you don't see many Jews asking for anything other than a very wise business deal. We know that Catholics are baptized as infants and then are expected to say they stand for the faith at nine or ten in confirmation. We know they teach only one marriage, no birth control and no abortion and we know hardly anyone who goes along with some of that and they go to Mass every Sunday. We know that Protestants range from very conservative Christians who don't dance to very liberal Christians who don't get married. It seems that the middle are Lutherans, Episcopalians and Methodists. Most of us can say personally that no Jew or no Christian they know personally wanted to kill anyone and martyr themselves for religion. We may not all agree about the nuts and bolts and don't understand completely but only very radical Christians want to kill people who perform abortions. I have NEVER met anyone personally who voiced that opinion. And I really intermingle.


I don't get the sense that Muslims want to share their views unless you come to join. I don't think they feel at all ecumenical. I hear a few say they think it's horrible the killings, but I don't hear what I wish I would hear from big groups of them and that worries me. A few liberal ones maybe, but they aren't the ones with the robes and the beards and the ones I hear saying stuff are women and I am really sure they aren't the religious person in charge. It is a lot like there are no women priests.


Please read between the lines that I am worried and that I have my suspicions that being kind and fair and accepting and doing all the things that good Americans and good people are taught and expected to do may be putting most of us in a very dangerous position, maybe not tomorrow but next year and in ten years.


I won't be here probably in ten years because I am 76 but I treasure my grandchildren like we all do and love many of my friends grandchildren as well. AND I really love this country. And I love many liberal and conservative people who go to a lot of different places to worship and I love a lot of folks who don't believe in God.

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Gracie - I read your post out loud to my partner, Phyllis (as I was so impressed with your thoughts here).

I ended (reading your post) it by saying "AND FOR THAT REASON I AM THROWING MY HAT IN THE RING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"!

Phyllis laughed - and I said Gracie would have a wonderful following - and probably do a better job in the Oval Office, using her deep experience and level head. Can you handle the yearlong campaign? Go Gracie.

Your post was absolutely perfectly right-on!!! LOVE IT.

[Buckeye Bob]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We should be encouraging Muslims to watch other Muslims for signs of being radicalized. That means keeping them our friends by treating them in a Christian manner according to the Golden Rule of doing undo others as you would have to yourself.

Muslims would be most attune to what's in The Koran and also what are the teachings of their local leaders in that community.

I do not have any Muslim friends that I know of here in the Villages but probably have some on my Facebook page. I do not ask their religion when they befriend me or I befriend them.

The non-radicalized Muslims MUST become part of the solution or they are part of the problem.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob

The non-radicalized Muslims MUST become part of the solution or they are part of the problem.

I believe they are very much involved. Paris Attacks: Muslims Speak Out Against Terrorism

I am a Lutheran and hate the violence and fear generated by the actions of some very warped organizations, people, groups, which take up the calling of some religion for their own evil purposes.

Most of the great world religions have extremely inhumane actions of followers attached to them.

Would you judge the Turks for instance on what happened to Constantinople in 1453? The Sack of Constantinople, 1453

The followers of the Jewish religion on the actions of King David?

There were atrocities carried out by the followers of Martin Luther in the Reformation. These were very bloody religious wars. But, I do not think about these all that much in 2015. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

[Steve9930]

There is a very simple way of looking at this and it is, Sharia Law is incompatible with the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States. If you are a Muslim and you are coming to the United States because you believe that our Constitution and Bill of Rights is what should be used to govern and are willing to stand with me to defend these principles then by all means I welcome you. If you are coming because you thing that Sharia Law should be the Law of the Land then you should not come here because what you preach is treason against the United States of America.

[NavyNJ]

Have seen that video (of the young lady expressing her thoughts on Islam, Muslims, etc.) before and found it touched on some valid points to begin an investigation of the issues being struggled with of late.

For those with a true interest in developing a greater understanding of something societies have struggled with forever, and that has particular application in the last several decades of "Islamic Extremism", take a crack at this (now nearly 50-yr old) work by Eric Hoffer:

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Perennial Classics): Eric Hoffer: 9780060505912: Amazon.com: Books

In fact, you might even get a lot out of several of the Customer Reviews of the book! Very thorough and insightful in their own right.

This idea of the "True Believer", overlaid with the tenets of Islam, as put forth in the teachings of Muhammed, is a volatile combination of ideology, mantra, consciousness and self-awareness that can lead to much of what we are seeing and experiencing in current times. Tough subject to get wrapped around, to be sure!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by NavyNJ

Have seen that video (of the young lady expressing her thoughts on Islam, Muslims, etc.) before and found it touched on some valid points to begin an investigation of the issues being struggled with of late.

For those with a true interest in developing a greater understanding of something societies have struggled with forever, and that has particular application in the last several decades of "Islamic Extremism", take a crack at this (now nearly 50-yr old) work by Eric Hoffer:

The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements (Perennial Classics): Eric Hoffer: 9780060505912: Amazon.com: Books

In fact, you might even get a lot out of several of the Customer Reviews of the book! Very thorough and insightful in their own right.

This idea of the "True Believer", overlaid with the tenets of Islam, as put forth in the teachings of Muhammed, is a volatile combination of ideology, mantra, consciousness and self-awareness that can lead to much of what we are seeing and experiencing in current times. Tough subject to get wrapped around, to be sure!

That's a very good book. I had a friend at the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management who was getting an advanced degree-- a MA in Librarianship like me. He was from the University of Mosul and had a brother in the Republican Guard or something like that. This was in 1983-1984. After he graduated (?) he went back to Iraq. His letters to me became more and more radicalized so by 1986 we broke any correspondence off. His family relationships especially with the brother in the military made him into a true believer for Saddam Hussein.

ISIS has had control of Mosul for a year or more and they looted that library. ISIS Destroys Iraq's University of Mosul I have no idea what happened to that ex-friend I had. It is not a wise idea to have any contact with people who live in ISIS controlled areas.


My Iraqi ex-friend was very traditional and I was never allowed to be even in the same room as his wife. The other Muslim/Arabs from various different Middle Eastern countries who were studying various subjects at the University of Denver were all quite different from one another.

I did get an introduction to the Muslim religion from this group of Arabs. It is hard to overgeneralize about them though. Their families, ambitions, etc. had a big impact on making them quite different from one another.

The Kurd jokes really bothered me when I was around them.

And my ex-Iraqi friend's dislike of dogs-- which he thought were way too dirty-- also bugged me a great deal.

[billethkid]

I think history has a place in the way we view some things.

Historical events of the past do not in any way justify, clarify or validate what we are dealing with in the world today.

Far too many followers of various religions pick and choose that which is convenient for one's way of life, actions or beliefs.

Historically when a religious teaching stated to go and kill those who did not follow or believe or what ever.....they were tribal. They could go as far as their horse or wooden sail boat could go to a known neighboring tribe that was different.

Has nothing to do with the very small world we live in today with radicals now posing ideologies and they do expext retribution worldwide for non believers.

And we do have to be much more pro active....not tolerant....against hose who have sworn to kill us all....no matter what their history did or said. Or what some individual does or says at his home.

We have no choice but to assess with the best knowledge we have and address the issue that if we do not win they will......hence take the fight to where they live and do something about it.