[memason]

Originally Posted by ouatiny

Be proud people she is a product of the NEW AMERICA educatiuonal system !! And if the prosecutor could not prep her for her testimony any better than that we need new prosecutors....

I'm not saying it . . .

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Yes, obviously, Zimmerman has spent a lot of his defense money gained from his Internet sites on Denny's or Dunkin' Donuts as he now weighs over 240 pounds on his 5 foot 9 inch body.

At the time of his killing of Martin, Zimmerman outweighed Martin by about 40 pounds. Yes, he should not have ever gotten out of his car nor should he have been carrying a pistol while on Neighborhood Patrol.

Zimmerman is going to PRISON!

The physician's assistant testified yesterday that George Zimmerman was 5 foot 7.5 inches and weighed over 200 pounds the day after the shooting and was considered obese because of his BMI. In the past eight months he has gained 130 pounds, which puts him at about 350 pounds today.

He also burned through over $300,000 during that same period. Mark O'Mara, his attorney, stated he had $315,000 in his defense fund, and that fund recently was down to $5000. In fairness to Zimmerman, O'Mara never said how much of the defense money he received, but was only begging for more donations.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I would think that shooting someone with a gun that you were not supposed to be carrying while on neighborhood watch has some legal consequences. I am sure that is why there is an ongoing trial.

If carrying the gun was against the law, he would be charged with that as well as the 2nd degree murder charge.

There have been comments to the effect of, "had Zimmerman not been carrying a gun this never would have happened". Perhaps it would have played out that the worst thing that would have happened is that Zimmerman would have just gotten the crap kicked out of him but that would have been the end of it. On the other hand, it could also be that he could have sustained permanent or mortal injuries. One never knows.

The fact that Zimmerman did not pull the gun immediately, but rather tried to deal with the fight with just his hands speaks to the notion that he was not out to gun someone down. He was getting the worst of the situation for quite some time and calling for help (as testified by the closest eye witness) before he finally resorted to lethal force while getting his head bashed into the sidewalk.

He was clearly very stupid and should never had allowed himself to get into that situation, but because he was stupid, he didn't forfeit his right to self-defense.

[DougB]

Originally Posted by memason

I'm not saying it . . .

[John_W]

Originally Posted by NJblue

If carrying the gun was against the law, he would be charged with that as well as the 2nd degree murder charge.

There have been comments to the effect of, "had Zimmerman not been carrying a gun this never would have happened". Perhaps it would have played out that the worst thing that would have happened is that Zimmerman would have just gotten the crap kicked out of him but that would have been the end of it. On the other hand, it could also be that he could have sustained permanent or mortal injuries. One never knows.

The fact that Zimmerman did not pull the gun immediately, but rather tried to deal with the fight with just his hands speaks to the notion that he was not out to gun someone down. He was getting the worst of the situation for quite some time and calling for help (as testified by the closest eye witness) before he finally resorted to lethal force while getting his head bashed into the sidewalk.

He was clearly very stupid and should never had allowed himself to get into that situation, but because he was stupid, he didn't forfeit his right to self-defense.

I couldn't have said it any better. George had a concealed weapons permits, there are about 800,000 of those in Florida, or 1 in every 19 people. I believe it's one of the reasons we don't see the random theater, business and school shootings in Florida as in other states.

I have a concealed weapons permit, the law is clearly written where you cannot carry such as schools, courthouses, sporting events, etc. There is no rule against carrying in our own apartment complex. George Zimmerman was out there on his own free time patroling his own neighborhood to make it a safer and better place for others. It's really a thankless job, and I'm sure when he saw an unfamiliar person walking through the complex at 7pm on a dark February evening, he approached the person to inquire about their purpose. All Trayvon Martin had to say was, he was visiting his father and was staying in so and so apartment, end of story.


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[DougB]

Not that it makes any difference, but I believe Zimmerman was not on community watch that night. I think he was going to Target to get groceries when he saw Martin.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by John_W

I couldn't have said it any better. George had a concealed weapons permits, there are about 800,000 of those in Florida, or 1 in every 19 people. I believe it's one of the reasons we don't see the random theater, business and school shootings in Florida as in other states.

I have a concealed weapons permit, the law is clearly written where you cannot carry such as schools, courthouses, sporting events, etc. There is no rule against carrying in our own apartment complex. George Zimmerman was out there on his own free time patroling his own neighborhood to make it a safer and better place for others. It's really a thankless job, and I'm sure when he saw an unfamiliar person walking through the complex at 7pm on a dark February evening, he approached the person to inquire about their purpose. All Trayvon Martin had to say was, he was visiting his father and was staying in so and so apartment, end of story.


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And all George Zimmerman had to do was get back in his truck and wait for the police to arrive. He made his intentions clear when he told the dispatcher "these punks always get away" and "these blanking blankers".


Robert Zimmerman, George's father, recently released a new ebook on Amazon, where he attacks multiple leaders in the African American community for being extremely "racist".


If by chance, George is found guilty and goes to prison, how do you think his fellow inmates are going to react to his father's allegations.

[NJblue]

Originally Posted by janmcn

And all George Zimmerman had to do was get back in his truck and wait for the police to arrive. He made his intentions clear when he told the dispatcher "these punks always get away" and "these blanking blankers".


Robert Zimmerman, George's father, recently released a new ebook on Amazon, where he attacks multiple leaders in the African American community for being extremely "racist".


If by chance, George is found guilty and goes to prison, how do you think his fellow inmates are going to react to his father's allegations.

Which intentions did he make clear? If you say his intentions were to confront Martin and possibly intimidate him to get out, you may be right. However, if you say his intentions were to get in a fight and kill him, there is no evidence of that. If his intentions were to kill him, he would have drawn his gun much sooner than he did.

[Buffalo Jim]

Ladies and Gentlemen :

I give you into " Evidence " 1A the product of our Modern Progressive American Culture . The product of our school system . And all of the years of the focusing by our schools on the indoctrination of " tolerance and diversity " with very limited effort toward true education which would enable each of young people to become self-supporting contributors to our society .

" Rachel " is not an isolated example . There are plenty of young Rachel`s graduating from our High Schools . Also note that " tolerance and respect " seems to be expected only in one direction .

Now let`s speculate on the future contributions of all the " Rachels " to our society and economy . Do you think it will be net positive or net negative ?
Before you all call me racist , I wish to make you aware that when I was a Sr. Exec in a Fortune 500 Company that I often received acknowledgment from the Director of HR for managing the most diverse organization in the entire company and this was no accident . It was for Diversity measured by any and all standards .

How did I build it ? Simple --- I only hired the brightest and best educated based on nothing more than their ability to fill the specific position and based on their desire to contribute .
So now fire away and " stereotype " me please .

[buggyone]

I think the above poster is being too general in his stereotyping of high schools. I am sure that Miami's area has some excellent high schools and produces some great college ready kids who will become leaders of business in the future. Miami - as well as most other major cities - has pockets of extreme poverty and disadvantaged people. The schools in those areas are not good and the students will have a hard time of making it to the top of the business world - but some might do so! Others will not.

It is culture; it is how much nurturing the kids get at home; it is environment that makes a great deal of how inner city youth make their future.

The above poster said, "I only hired the brightest and best educated based on nothing more than their ability to fill the specific position and based on their desire to contribute."

In order to have the best educated, you have to have the best education system - and that does not happen in most inner city schools.

[Maryland Girl]

Originally Posted by Monkei

I don't have to be a mind reader or be a member of the jury to know that the idiot with the gun should have left the gun behind and to have kept his much thinner butt at the time of the killing in the car.

To things very apparent to the jury should be:

1. I don't know if any jury can forget no matter what this witness said or how she said it GZ did what he did because of his actions.

2. GZ has spent a lot of time eating since his arrest.

No, you don't have to be a mind reader or a member of the jury to have an opinion. To be a member of the jury you have to consider the evidence presented, including the unfortunate testimony of Rachel Jeantel. No jury can 'forget..what this witness said or how she said it.' It is now part of the record. Yes, Mr. Zimmerman has gained a lot of weight. His attorney has addressed this issue by saying it is fear related stress.

His butt was not thinner. Actually, he was shorter and heavier than Mr. Martin. His gun did not have to be left behind. He had a permit to carry it.
He also had a right to be out of his car. He had a right to do everything he did that night IF he did not strike Mr. Martin. He says he was sucker punched and the jury will have to decide based on the evidence if that happened. If so, he had a right to defend himself if he thought his life was threatened.

[Buffalo Jim]

BUGGY ONE : Thank you for presenting your point w/out cutting me up .

I realize that this Thread is for a different purpose and not the subject of our education woes in America . So I will not carry on here except to interject something that is a simple fact . I am well familiar with the data which brings the cost comparison down to a simple statistic to allow for some common means of input [ money ] vs. return .
Here it is simply said and as I indicated I am very familiar with the data :
The " Cost per Student " of many if not most of our urban schools exceeds not only the cost per student of our best public suburban schools but the " cost per student " of many if not most non-secterian Private Schools .
It is an " inconvenient truth " and no leader wishes to talk about it in the public narrative .

[Patty55]

Ms. Jeantel was a liar from the beginning. Initially she gave her name as "Diamond" aka Didi, I believe at that point she was supposedly 16 years old and Trayvon's girlfriend.

What I found interesting in her testimony is that she didn't come forward until she heard that GZ was not arrested.

If you watched her reviewing the transcripts of her deposition I would guess that not only can she not read or write "cursive", I think she has trouble reading anything.

[buggyone]

As the above poster said, this is off-topic and is my final thought on the off-topic topic.

Education for inner cities - just like in any area - cannot be made excellent by just throwing money at the problem. It takes committment by people to be the solution.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by janmcn

And all George Zimmerman had to do was get back in his truck and wait for the police to arrive. He made his intentions clear when he told the dispatcher "these punks always get away" and "these blanking blankers".


Robert Zimmerman, George's father, recently released a new ebook on Amazon, where he attacks multiple leaders in the African American community for being extremely "racist".


If by chance, George is found guilty and goes to prison, how do you think his fellow inmates are going to react to his father's allegations.

Somebody or some group of people are going to be very unhappy when a verdict is announced. A not guilty will really upset the black community. A guilty wi. Really upset the gun bunnies out there.