Originally Posted by cologal

Have you seen the 9th Ward?.....How about the FEMA trailers.

It was a still is a disgrace.

Like the two gentlemen above me said...blame the local authorities.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Absolutley correct, Steve. A couple of anecdotes from Katrina...

-- Our former Congressman in Illinois, Mark Kirk, is also a Captain in the USNR and was on duty at the Pentagon as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Whatever unit or office he was with had something to do with the federal response. He told me that they sat for hours, asking themselves why th Mayor or the Governor were taking so long to make the evacuation mandatory, open all six lanes of the interstate to outbound traffic, or request federal or military assistance. The people in the Pentagon couldn't tell them what to do; in fact he said that they couldn't even get thru to them on their cell phones. Rather they had to wait until they were asked for help--and it was days before they ever got a request from the locals. He described Mayor Nagin as "one of the most incompetent public officials" he'd ever encountered.

-- A group of EMS technicians from the South Bend, Indiana area, recognizing that they would be needed, loaded up four fire trucks with first aid equipment, water, food, etc. and headed for New Orleans. When they got there, they were not permitted to enter the city. The local police and fire department told them that everything was under control and that they weren't needed. After four days of sitting outside of town, they turned around and headed back to South Bend.

-- A group of doctors and nurses from the Pacific Northwest loaded up lots of medical supplies and flew to New Orleans at their own expense. On their arrival, they were told that they couldn't practice medicine in Louisiana until they had obtained the proper state licenses. No one volunteered to assist them in getting the necessary documentation, so after five days they headed back to Seattle, never having treated even one person.

-- The Lake County Illinois police helicopter detachment took off with three helicopters, pilots, mechanics and EMS personnel just as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Many of the rescues that you saw on TV were performed by this group. They reported flying the 'copters almost 24 hours a days for three days and rescued almost 1,000 people. When asked a few weeks later how they were able to get involved in the rescue effort when so many other volunteers were turned away they answered, "We never asked anyone. We just flew in and began picking people up."

It is a shame what the media did with this story, and we still believe that they will report the truth !!!

And since this thread has gone astray anyway....re electing that mayor in New Orleans, to me anyway, was truely a reflection of how people vote !

Originally Posted by Bucco

It is a shame what the media did with this story, and we still believe that they will report the truth !!!

And since this thread has gone astray anyway....re electing that mayor in New Orleans, to me anyway, was truely a reflection of how people vote !

They re elected the mayor? I didn't know that. Shameful.

If Sanford was a Democrat his affair would be a resume enhancer. Having said that, he needs to go. For the record, Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin both raked him over the coals. What's with these politicians??? Are any of them faithful???
Thanks for the clarification of Katrina. I'm so sick of hearing how awful Bush handled it. There are plenty of things to blame him for, but that wasn't one of them.

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

If Sanford was a Democrat his affair would be a resume enhancer. Having said that, he needs to go. For the record, Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin both raked him over the coals. What's with these politicians??? Are any of them faithful???
Thanks for the clarification of Katrina. I'm so sick of hearing how awful Bush handled it. There are plenty of things to blame him for, but that wasn't one of them.

Acutally he must have changed parties because Fox Noise has him labeled as a Democrat.

Originally Posted by cologal

Acutally he must have changed parties because Fox Noise has him labeled as a Democrat.

My response to that is to not respond.

Originally Posted by Keedy

My response to that is to not respond.

They seem to do that in sex scandals.....just a slip of the finger.

To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

Originally Posted by ptownrob

To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

Both Ensign and Sanford were in Congress and voted in favor of the articles of impeachment.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

What's your point? Human nature to go astray. Are you saying to eliminate morals and act like dogs? Are you saying we should not at least try to be moral? Are you saying that it is right for liberals and democrats to act like heathens because they don't believe in morals?

Originally Posted by ptownrob

...you've got Oliver North writing about how lacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime...Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs...

Too many people keep missing the point that these guys are entertainers. They get paid to create controversy. One of the reasons that the American electorate is so ill-informed is that they actually believe what the entertainers tell them. Of course, there's nothing wrong with listening to them or reading them, but hopefully people try to seek out a dissenting opinion.

As an example, tonight on CNN at 9 PM there will be a "debate" between Ann Coulter and Donna Brazile--far right and far left. I'll watch just to see what subjects they discuss and what their arguments are. Is it possible that they might disagree on the political future of Mark Sanford, do you think?

Originally Posted by ptownrob

To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

This post and the one that follows it agreeing with it in totality is, in my opinion, what is wrong with politics today and for the last 10/12 years !

It is all about PARTY....everything that happens revolves to folks who think this way around the PARTY !

How anyone can generalize like this...."it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."...is something that I cannot understand. You are talking about what party is shown on their registration card and condemning/praising is such HUGE generalities.

And while I am at it...allow me to agree with VK....quoting folks who are without any doubt, with no arguing.....ENTERTAINERS and not representative of any party...does not make sense. When I hear Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Mahar, Keith Olberman, etc quoted I just cringe. WHY listen to thiese folks....YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR !!!!

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Absolutley correct, Steve. A couple of anecdotes from Katrina...

-- Our former Congressman in Illinois, Mark Kirk, is also a Captain in the USNR and was on duty at the Pentagon as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Whatever unit or office he was with had something to do with the federal response. He told me that they sat for hours, asking themselves why th Mayor or the Governor were taking so long to make the evacuation mandatory, open all six lanes of the interstate to outbound traffic, or request federal or military assistance. The people in the Pentagon couldn't tell them what to do; in fact he said that they couldn't even get thru to them on their cell phones. Rather they had to wait until they were asked for help--and it was days before they ever got a request from the locals. He described Mayor Nagin as "one of the most incompetent public officials" he'd ever encountered.

-- A group of EMS technicians from the South Bend, Indiana area, recognizing that they would be needed, loaded up four fire trucks with first aid equipment, water, food, etc. and headed for New Orleans. When they got there, they were not permitted to enter the city. The local police and fire department told them that everything was under control and that they weren't needed. After four days of sitting outside of town, they turned around and headed back to South Bend.

-- A group of doctors and nurses from the Pacific Northwest loaded up lots of medical supplies and flew to New Orleans at their own expense. On their arrival, they were told that they couldn't practice medicine in Louisiana until they had obtained the proper state licenses. No one volunteered to assist them in getting the necessary documentation, so after five days they headed back to Seattle, never having treated even one person.

-- The Lake County Illinois police helicopter detachment took off with three helicopters, pilots, mechanics and EMS personnel just as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Many of the rescues that you saw on TV were performed by this group. They reported flying the 'copters almost 24 hours a days for three days and rescued almost 1,000 people. When asked a few weeks later how they were able to get involved in the rescue effort when so many other volunteers were turned away they answered, "We never asked anyone. We just flew in and began picking people up."

VK: This is one of the best posts from you and you do have many. One of my friends was on the group from South Bend that got turned back. Gary Indiana was hit by high winds about 6 months ago. Some of the neighborhoods still have fallen trees blocking traffic. I cleared my 7 acres of fallen trees in two days. I believe I had 8 large trees toppled. No federal help.

Originally Posted by Bucco

This post and the one that follows it agreeing with it in totality is, in my opinion, what is wrong with politics today and for the last 10/12 years !

It is all about PARTY....everything that happens revolves to folks who think this way around the PARTY !

How anyone can generalize like this...."it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."...is something that I cannot understand. You are talking about what party is shown on their registration card and condemning/praising is such HUGE generalities.

And while I am at it...allow me to agree with VK....quoting folks who are without any doubt, with no arguing.....ENTERTAINERS and not representative of any party...does not make sense. When I hear Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Mahar, Keith Olberman, etc quoted I just cringe. WHY listen to thiese folks....YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR !!!!

Agree!

When "the party" replaces individual thought with lemming-like following, we're in deep trouble - and it's happening. Are we so desperate to "belong," that we will follow "the party" over the cliff?

What's worse is that as we as a society attempt to set aside prejudice and bias due to race, creed, color, religion and gender, there seems to be a trend to project all that built-up prejudice and bias toward "the other party."

Rather than "follow the party" no matter what, a little more "follow your conscience" may be in order.

I am a Villager from South Carolina and currently in South Carolina.

I guess I am an independent who leans conservatively. Even though I voted for Sanford, we in South Carolina began to think Sanford was a little odd through his governmental actions over the last few years. I know he was thought to be a national candidate, but he has the personality of a doormat; I don't think he would have ever made it.

As to his wife taking him for everything's he's worth, she's the one with the money. I just feel really sorry for his wife and four sons.