Bucco, it all counts. It all matters. The Republicans are trying to fill a position that is a heartbeat away from the Presidency. EVERYTHING is an issue on both sides.

You know...I will state once again that this is MY opinion.....that is what this forum is for....and I am glad it is here. It is good to look at other postings to hear what other people think....however in regards to my concerns....I will stand by them and I have a right to do so.

I feel horrible for Palin's family...the media...the 17 year old pregnant as she is running for VP....but that does not mean that I am worried about the stigma this will leave for young teens.

Keep in mind I am not really talking about the teenagers that have families that will support like Palin. I am sure she will have help from the nanny etc....

I do have a concern as a mom....as a voter....I don't think it is right! I am all for womens rights to have good jobs and equal pay...however if a mom is never home for her teenage daughters....and they have 4 other kids and are the Governor.....well.....what do we think will happen if she becomes VP!!

I don't think she should kick her daughter out into the street, I don't think she should make her have an abortion, I don't think she should make them get married....

As for the teenage boy who is the father....he should have responsibilities to the child.....but honestly how many 17 year old boys do you know now a days that would get married....just because she is pregnant....and stay with the marriage....

If that's true, Chels, then we really need to examine Joe Biden's son getting a great job with the same institution that gave Joe a hefty campaign contribution and for which Joe nicely responded by passing very strict bankruptcy laws in favor of that institution. As I sort through the candidates, that makes me extremely unsettled. He passed it off as, the institution is a big employer and it wasn't a very big donation. Not the explanation I wanted to hear for his, IMHO, tarnished legislation.

And, Cassie, I think for that argument... we need to examine every working mother, every family, every working woman for that matter to determine if she should be employed. There are female physicians, engineers, line cooks, actresses, heavy equipement operators all with families or responsibilities and we haven't told all of them how they should manage their lives. It is obvious that women must be totally scrutinized and judged by our very skewed opinions as to whether they should hold the job they seek. (Men, you get a free pass here...) It is very elitist to suggest that some woman should stay home with their children and others better get to work if the income is needed. Let's get to the meat of the election and not examine Palin's private life lest your private life or my private life be examined too!

Peachie, new neighbor! ;D I will agree to disagree.

MNBA is one the the 2 biggest companies in Delaware. Joe Biden's son Hunter turned down jobs on Wall Street for much more money, to be in his home state. And Biden's contributions from any lobbyists are less than 2%. As opposed to McCain's campaign being surrounded by lobbyists. See link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4210251

Senator Obama's funding came from the American people, so he has no one to answer to but the citizens.

As far as working women go, I have been one all of my life. And it really depends on the position or job they are accepting. I don't think any statement on working women should be a blanket statement or as black and white as you have put it. Just as I don't believe that "just being a woman" will win Hillary voters.

I was alone raising my daughter, then taking care of my father. When my dad became ill, I had to leave advertising, which I dearly loved, to take care of him. The traveling and time put in was too much. And hiring someone to do it just isn't the same. I have lived both sides of this issue. However, I just want to repeat. My issues are not with Sarah Palin being a working Mom, my issues are with Sarah Palin's non-issues.

Originally Posted by Peachie

And, Cassie, I think for that argument... we need to examine every working mother, every family, every working woman for that matter to determine if she should be employed. There are female physicians, engineers, line cooks, actresses, heavy equipement operators all with families or responsibilities and we haven't told all of them how they should manage their lives. It is obvious that women must be totally scrutinized and judged by our very skewed opinions as to whether they should hold the job they seek. (Men, you get a free pass here...) It is very elitist to suggest that some woman should stay home with their children and others better get to work if the income is needed. Let's get to the meat of the election and not examine Palin's private life lest your private life or my private life be examined too!

MY private life is a wide open book...in fact I have been more than honest here on this forum...then most really to know but that is me....so I am really not worried about it...
However....I am not talking about ALL women....I am talking about one that has 5 children...one of which is now pregnant and is running for VP! BIG difference. If the husband was the one supposedly taking care of the children...shame on him to for not knowing what was going on.....

My parents had 8 kids.....Dad worked and Mom worked and went back to school for her Masters....but you better believe they knew what was going on with their kids....and we paid the price if it was not right!!

I guess my real concern is not her as a Mom...that is her problem to deal with....BUT

I honestly think she is not the right person for the job....if you can not manage your own

household and family....and work at the same time.....how are going to run the country if you have to give one or the other up?

"If you can't run your own household and family... how are you going to run the country?" I guess it's a good thing Hillary didn't get the nomination. She supposedly did'nt have a clue as to what Bill was doing in the oval office, etc.

Cassie, this isn't about your life being an open book, this is about everyone else dictating what happens in your life because of the open book. Do you believe everyone would approve of how you live your life? I'm sure there is something someone would not like about mine and insist I do otherwise.

I know a very wonderful couple that were blessed with a beautiful daughter with Down Syndrome recently. They already had a little girl and a little boy. They wept and then rejoiced at how truly wonderful this little girl is in their lives. But Mommy went back to work immediately when recovered and worked double shifts to help cover the gaps in their income when Daddy was laid off from his job after baby came into their lives. They have no staff, are unable to schedule her hours to work for her to be home when they would like, she cannot take baby with her to work but their family is so viable and so wonderful. These arguments tell her she is an awful mother to go to work to cover the bills. Or is that option only for the elite? Did anyone see the live telephone call where Barrack's little daughter asked him what city he was in today and just wanted to talk with him? He has a wonderful family but running for president or the presidency will exact a price from him too, is he less important to his family? We need to drop Palin's family life and look at the issues and the candidates, to continue this moral judging is to invite judgement of every woman and tell her how her life should be lived.

Sally Jo, we need a bigger argument than where Clinton was putting his _____ Fill in the blank. ;D

That's such an old subject to me, Sally Jo. I think the only difference between Bill Clinton and many men is the fact that he got caught. I don't endorse what he did, he was a hound but I am tired of the rerun of the ugly moment in history.

Originally Posted by Peachie

If that's true, Chels, then we really need to examine Joe Biden's son getting a great job with the same institution that gave Joe a hefty campaign contribution and for which Joe nicely responded by passing very strict bankruptcy laws in favor of that institution. As I sort through the candidates, that makes me extremely unsettled. He passed it off as, the institution is a big employer and it wasn't a very big donation. Not the explanation I wanted to hear for his, IMHO, tarnished legislation.

And, Cassie, I think for that argument... we need to examine every working mother, every family, every working woman for that matter to determine if she should be employed. There are female physicians, engineers, line cooks, actresses, heavy equipement operators all with families or responsibilities and we haven't told all of them how they should manage their lives. It is obvious that women must be totally scrutinized and judged by our very skewed opinions as to whether they should hold the job they seek. (Men, you get a free pass here...) It is very elitist to suggest that some woman should stay home with their children and others better get to work if the income is needed. Let's get to the meat of the election and not examine Palin's private life lest your private life or my private life be examined too!

Peachie, very well said. I sincerely doubt that the pregnancy of Palin's 17 year old daughter is going to lead to the deterioration of the moral fibre of the nation's teenagers.

My parents had 8 kids.....Dad worked and Mom worked and went back to school for her Masters....but you better believe they knew what was going on with their kids....and we paid the price if it was not right!!

Cassie, as someone born in the early 1940's when things were very different, let me assure you that lots of stuff went on that neither of my parents knew about. Most youngpeople have no fear of consequences. I had a very open relationship with my children and am now hearing things they did that make my hair curl. No parent can be everywhere or think that everything is being told to them.

Oops forgot the quotes.

Shirleevee

Originally Posted by Cassie325

MY private life is a wide open book...in fact I have been more than honest here on this forum...then most really to know but that is me....so I am really not worried about it...
However....I am not talking about ALL women....I am talking about one that has 5 children...one of which is now pregnant and is running for VP! BIG difference. If the husband was the one supposedly taking care of the children...shame on him to for not knowing what was going on.....

My parents had 8 kids.....Dad worked and Mom worked and went back to school for her Masters....but you better believe they knew what was going on with their kids....and we paid the price if it was not right!!

I guess my real concern is not her as a Mom...that is her problem to deal with....BUT

I honestly think she is not the right person for the job....if you can not manage your own

household and family....and work at the same time.....how are going to run the country if you have to give one or the other up?

AS A FATHER OF DAUGHTERS, what I have learned is the following:

1. The kids don't care about the kids of the President, Vice-President, Governor, Mayor, dog-catcher or neighborhood cop. The only ones that matter are the "A-List" kids at the junior high school and high school (and sometimes, the more exclusive sororities at college). Kids aren't into newspapers, Hannity & Colmes or Meet the Press.

2. The public school sex education programs provide so much "birth preventive systems" information that kids think they really can have their fun at no cost or risk, and all kids think they are bulletproof to start with. Oh yeah, if the preventive systems fail, there's always abortion. THAT is the message they really learn at school.

3. The kids these days start pairing up like they are heading for a cruise on the Ark at age 10, and it gets worse as they get older (e.g., 12) if they haven't got a steady boy/girlfriend because of peer pressure. All of this is local, and has nothing to do with the occupants (current of future) of 1600 PA Ave and the Residence at the Naval Observatory in DC.

So, don't worry about the Palin family and their trials as being the topical scapegoat if a daughter gets pregnant. Just look at what's going on at the schools and hang-outs within a twenty-mile radius of wherever you live. That's where kids get their information and role models.

Steve,

Thank you for your thoughts...much appreciated!


However....apparently my daughter and her friends are a little different then everyone else their age....they are the ones who told me about Palin's daughter...they heard it at school and then I looked it up!!

Sorry, Chels, I missed your earlier post:

"MNBA is one the the 2 biggest companies in Delaware. Joe Biden's son Hunter turned down jobs on Wall Street for much more money, to be in his home state. And Biden's contributions from any lobbyists are less than 2%."

I know you and I watched this same program and so I'm sure you heard Joe Biden, when pressured by the moderator as to how he could back such strict bankruptcy guidelines for people going under do to huge medical expenses, lamely came back with, "that's why we need a health care program in this country". What in the world does that mean to the families staggered by a major illness or accident currently? Tough luck? But the Democrats are in the majority in the Congress and Senate and I saw no health insurance programs enacted during their tenure. INMO, I feel it was a conflict of interest for Biden to vote on the bankruptcy law, he had dogs in that fight. And where is all that change when they could be producing it right now without Barrack Obama? Those are some of the issues that concern me.