I think it is a waste of time and space to keep talking politics. This is not a political forum. Politics like religion should be off limits, no one is going to change any one's mind. However if the idea is to hear yourself, keep going.
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I would totally disagree with this. I subscribe to a number of political forums with one intent, as Cassie said....TO LEARN. Sure this is a lot of "stuff" that is not true,meaningless and simply stupid,but if you are patient and DO YOUR RESEARCH on what folks say is true...I think that is vital...do not accept...use google and other sources to make sure what someone said is true is in fact a fact !!!!!

Great way to learn

Originally Posted by Bucco

I think it is a waste of time and space to keep talking politics. This is not a political forum. Politics like religion should be off limits, no one is going to change any one's mind. However if the idea is to hear yourself, keep going.
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I would totally disagree with this. I subscribe to a number of political forums with one intent, as Cassie said....TO LEARN. Sure this is a lot of "stuff" that is not true,meaningless and simply stupid,but if you are patient and DO YOUR RESEARCH on what folks say is true...I think that is vital...do not accept...use google and other sources to make sure what someone said is true is in fact a fact !!!!!

Great way to learn

Oh Bucco....I love when we agree on things!!! ;D

Originally Posted by Susan&Tom

Wouldn't it be refreshing to focus on the fact that a woman is after 20 years or so, finally again running for Vice President of this country. (It's only 86 years after we got the vote)
If you aren't old enough to remember what it was like before the liberation of women in the 60's and the 70's, or if you didn't experience it because you are a man, you have no right to criticize Palin on these topics. Argue your politics, have fun, but quit setting women back 40 years.

Susan, great viewpoint! :beer2:

Thanks Bare. It is a hotspot of mine.

http://abcfamily.go.com/abcfamily/pa...er/page_Detail

A friend of mine called me and told me about this show....she said she put her kids in front of a movie...came back in and found them watching this!! Ofcourse it lef to some great conversations....but it certainly is no Leave it to Beaver or Brady Bunch.

Originally Posted by Cassie325

I do have a concern as a mom....as a voter....I don't think it is right! I am all for womens rights to have good jobs and equal pay...however if a mom is never home for her teenage daughters....and they have 4 other kids and are the Governor.....well.....what do we think will happen if she becomes VP!!

No offense but did you even read what you wrote? You are FOR womens rights, good jobs, equal pay but AGAINST her being away from home because of the VP position but all of this is "A OK" if you are Barrack Obama who also has young children???

You can't have it both ways.

Originally Posted by Susan&Tom

Chels, it isn't whether or not you like her...I have little regard for Hilary...but I am glad that she had the opportunity to run her campaign without being shut out from the beginning just because she was a woman.

My point is people should be judged equally on their merits, not by their race, sex, age, etc. and the fact that that is finally happening in this election is wonderful.

Standards applied to one should be applied to all or none.

On most of this statement we do agree Susan. Except I do have a great deal of regard for Hillary.

Absolutely, both standards should apply. I went through this "double standard" big time in advertising. One of my concepts landed a 10 million dollar account for an ad agency I was working for. Don Tennant, owned the agency was very chauvinistic. He actually held the celebration luncheon at an all men's club in Chicago. It was blatant an of course I was angry and hurt.

My only point was on the flip side of the coin, I would be careful of who I wanted to point out as a role model to MY daughter. Just because a woman makes it to a certain position in her career, doesn't automatically make her a great role model. It's got to be the entire package, not just 'The Vagina Monologues'.

Originally Posted by Puterguru

No offense but did you even read what you wrote? You are FOR womens rights, good jobs, equal pay but AGAINST her being away from home because of the VP position but all of this is "A OK" if you are Barrack Obama who also has young children???

You can't have it both ways.

I CAN ABSOLUTELY HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!! I HAVE DONE IT FOR YEARS! Equal pay for equal jobs has nothing to do with her being a mother! I have worked full time my entire life....and I am raising a child...and for most of that time on my own! I have worked hard enough to make sure that time is split equally! I also work for a company that says "Family First". If you can not take care of yourself...your family then you can not do the job well!!
I ALSO get equal pay for equal work...if not better then some of my male counter parts!!!

A child needs its mother....but she can still work and be home when needed!!

Originally Posted by Cassie325

A child needs its mother....but she can still work and be home when needed!!

But that's not what you said "Can she work and be home when needed?". You have already come to the conclusion for some strange reason that she cannot? What about Obama? Doesn't the same go for him if he is elected President? Or are you just totally against "Women Working" and not being home for their children? Or is it OK for Obama because he has a wife that will be home with the kids (where a women is suppose to be, I guess in your mind). Which is it?

Below is what you said about Palin: Note it was NOT "Can she give equal time to her kids?" It was much more harsh than that.

Quote from: Cassie325 on September 07, 2008, 11:29:26 AM
I do have a concern as a mom....as a voter....I don't think it is right! I am all for womens rights to have good jobs and equal pay...however if a mom is never home for her teenage daughters....and they have 4 other kids and are the Governor.....well.....what do we think will happen if she becomes VP!!

Chelsea...dangerous? Gossip without facts is dangerous. You wouldn't want anyone to be judging your words or actions. What goes around, comes around. Let's remember dignity here. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Cassie325

I CAN ABSOLUTELY HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!! I HAVE DONE IT FOR YEARS! Equal pay for equal jobs has nothing to do with her being a mother! I have worked full time my entire life....and I am raising a child...and for most of that time on my own! I have worked hard enough to make sure that time is split equally! I also work for a company that says "Family First". If you can not take care of yourself...your family then you can not do the job well!!
I ALSO get equal pay for equal work...if not better then some of my male counter parts!!!

A child needs its mother....but she can still work and be home when needed!!

As all of this is in regards to the Palin household and how some have the feeling her kids "suffer" because she works - this is a two-parent household where the father is basically acting as the stay-most-of-the-time-at-home parent.

Mothers don't have a monopoly on child-rearing, advice-giving, skinned-knee patching, and all the other ups-and-downs with raising kids. The role of "father" seems to have become detached in these posts with an insinuation that only mothers matter. That seems a bit chauvanistic.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

As all of this is in regards to the Palin household and how some have the feeling her kids "suffer" because she works - this is a two-parent household where the father is basically acting as the stay-most-of-the-time-at-home parent.

Mothers don't have a monopoly on child-rearing, advice-giving, skinned-knee patching, and all the other ups-and-downs with raising kids. The role of "father" seems to have become detached in these posts with an insinuation that only mothers matter. That seems a bit chauvanistic.

That is exactly my point. She implies that the mother should be at home spending time with her kids but no mention of the father. Then states that she is for womens rights, working mom's etc. ???

WOW, this topic developed a life of its own : so I guess I'll throw in my two-cents worth of comment.......... :dontknow: somehow, it doesn't seem right to blame the mother for her teenage daughter's judgement and behavior.

Originally Posted by CJ

Chelsea...dangerous? Gossip without facts is dangerous. You wouldn't want anyone to be judging your words or actions. What goes around, comes around. Let's remember dignity here. Thank you.

CJ, I don't have a clue to what you're referring to? :dontknow:

Originally Posted by chelsea24

CJ, I don't have a clue to what you're referring to? :dontknow:

Chels....apparently you and I are one in the same...this happens quite a bit! Sorry about that...my guess is he/she was talking to me!

However...if I am thought of as similar to you....not such a bad thing....just don't want you yelled at because of me....