Originally Posted by Guest

The is just another case of " Tyranny by a Minority " . Such actions have become the " rule " during the 8 year reign of mr. Obama and his minions .
This is why the issue / action should be considered political .

We all knew it would be Obama's fault. It's just surprising it took 15 posts to get there.

Originally Posted by Guest

We all knew it would be Obama's fault. It's just surprising it took 15 posts to get there.

I'm just wondering how many of these aggrieved victims are of the liberal persuasion. I would say most, if not all. They just can't stand the good life we enjoy here. We should be as miserable as they are.

Hey, this is what lawyer's are trained to do! create laws through lobbyists, Sue to keep the flow coming, once get bunch to agree, they get paid whether they win or loose. That's why there called ambience chasers. This what you get when politicians are ex lawyers, get under the table money from lobbyists to create wording that nobody can understand so NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO you can find lawyer that will make you look like saint.

Originally Posted by Guest

We all knew it would be Obama's fault. It's just surprising it took 15 posts to get there.

Wow, I thought you were going to blame it on Bush again.

Originally Posted by Guest

How is this such a surprise to so many?

Of all the issues that are in TV, good or bad or just informative, how did this one sneak under the radar of knowledgeable residents and management? (if it did that is).

How did this major element of TV life style process toward demise with no clamor along the way to closure?

My guess is that this is a class action lawsuit initiated by lawyers. From what I have read, the college has made accommodations on eight different occasions and all were rejected. The will never settle for the problem, being corrected, they want money.

All of the plaintiffs are represented by the same law firm, Simon, Eisenberg & Baum, LLP

As much as I love the Lifelong Learning College, kudos to The Villages for not caving.

Mr Schwartz's statements in the unmentionable news source sound like they've been written by a lawyer.

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Cohorts: Plaintiffs are Louis Schwarz, Doris Schwarz, Janice Hickey, Thomas Hickey, Bernie Brown, Elizabeth Holst, Stephen Holst, Joanna Langlais, Francis Langlais, Robert Smart, Richard McElwain, Byron Zimmerman, Shirley Zimmerman, John Wilson, Charles Martin, Randall Walker, Evelyn Walker, Maureen Osgood, Carole Paul, Mary Kay Pickering, Andrew St. John, Karen Russell, Clarence Russell, Richard Woods, Linda Woods, Robert McDevitt, Lynn Stirling, Kathleen McElwain, Herbert Pickering, Barbara Achin, Ronald Achin, Diane St. John, Kenny Hynes, and Mary Wilson. See Third Amended Complaint at 1-2 (Doc. 93).

They should be real proud.

Today’s Daily Sun, December 2nd, ran the story of the LLLC closure on the front page. The paper quoted a spokesman as saying the plaintiffs viewed the LLLC as a “…rich target with deep pockets.” This person also said the school tried for several years to offer reasonable accommodations including hearing interpreters and assisted hearing devices, but to no avail.

The article said 18,000 residents were affected in some manner including course cancellations etc. Also impacted were 200 paid instructors and 50 workers including paid staff and unpaid volunteers – all of whom have now lost their jobs. Thus, there is some type of measurable economic impact here. It’s also clear the collective TV lifestyle for all residents has been negatively impacted by the closure of the LLLC, but to what extent?

It got me to wondering …. there are about 50,000 homes in TV. Not sure what the average (i.e. mean) market value is, but an estimate is $250,000. No one knows the negative $$$ impact the class action will have on all of TV’s homes market value over time. However, if one assumes it’s only ¾ of one percent, and it’s probably at least that, that still amounts to about $90 million in lost housing market value alone due to the untimely end of the LLLC.

Thus, it occurs to me that since this lawsuit is apparently what caused the demise of the LLLC, my guess is someone may well investigate the feasibility of a counter class action suit for damages.

With over 120,000 people negatively impacted by this group’s action, I’m guessing many would consider joining such an effort if offered to them. I guess we’ll see what happens in the next few weeks and months??? Among other things, people will be looking to the HOA and POA to take the leadership role in figuring out what the most appropriate next step should be. I personally don’t know what that should be.

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No one should be surprised about this. This is the normal outcome of liberal/progressive policies and governance.

Make no mistake, 100,000 white people living a good retirement in an anathema to social justice warriors.

You can be sure this is just the opening salvo to destroying the Villages lifestyle.

The lawsuit also mentions the Resident Lifestyle Clubs. If this holds up, I would think that all of our clubs might be in danger of being disbanded.

Mr. Swartz should be extremely proud of himself . Just more tyranny at the hands of a very small minority .

Originally Posted by Guest

The lawsuit also mentions the Resident Lifestyle Clubs. If this holds up, I would think that all of our clubs might be in danger of being disbanded.

Well then the angry mob WOULD rise up with torches and pitchforks.

Right? We DO have a limit of what we'll take?

Who knows, Hispanics are invading us and we don't seem to really care about that either. The Villages will be "dead" in a few years, the things we loved about it, taken away, diversified away...why not the whole country too?

We'll be dead, so who cares...right?

I do...it's why I speak out.

Send the illegals and send the anchor babies home or face the destruction of your nation and culture.

I'll post my thoughts here and on the other thread. This is what happens when an institution accepts federal funding as does the Charter School ie you accept funds following federal rules

Secondly the federal laws of ADA say reasonable accommodations. LLC didn't earn enough to pay for the number of people needed to provide sign language at the various locations/courses.

Third it is the modus operandi of The Villages (Developer & Districts) to remain quiet about such legal matters. Recall IRS dispute in the beginning, the bison, the Wellness Center

Fourth don't expect either the VHA or POA to make an attempt to come to the rescue their both just social clubs.

Personal Best Regards:

Trump will put an end to special treatment for handicapped people when the business killing regulations get thrown out.

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Trump will put an end to special treatment for handicapped people when the business killing regulations get thrown out.

I sure hope so...I'm sorry you're handicapped...but it doesn't mean we change the whole world for you.

Businesses have had to spend millions to accommodate handicapped who NEVER frequented their business.

Where does it end? Equal doesn't mean special. Women/minorities/handicapped...they should have equal access, but not SPECIAL access. No lowered standards, no quotas, no special building requirements, no translators, nothing "out of the ordinary".

Originally Posted by Guest

The mentality of these responses is appalling. It shows the white privilege of The Villages and the hate for anyone else who does not conform with the right wing, capitalistic, small mindedness and hateful views of the majority of people who live here. People with disabilities have rights and The Villages needs to conform to the law. Oh but wait, all you whitey rich people think you make the law. Well open your closed eyes and mind. You disgust me with your racism and prejudice and despise for anyone who does not meet your criteria. I think the white right ought to be shipped back to whatever European or other country you originated from. We don't need you here or anywhere for that matter. Take your old stuffy selves and go live with the KKK. They are very popular these days and I am sure expanding their territory.

And you live here...why? Because these rich white people made the BEST place you could possibly live.

Black/brown people didn't make the villages. Black/brown people DESTROY places like the villages.

STANDARDS and a 99% white population is WHY the villages is what it is. Bring in black/brown people, lower the standards...and what do you get? Leesburg, Wildwood. We don't want that.

Ship us back to the white nations we came from? Those OTHER successful countries? White countries do MUCH better than black/brown countries.

WE "built the western civilization" you enjoy living in. The blacks/browns are the ones that aren't needed...what have their people done? They've DESTROYED the few former white countries they have taken over.

You NEED us a lot more than we need you...

You REALLY need to spend some time with those you advocate so...you NEED to visit MLK Blvd in a few cities before you judge US, before you call US racist and bigoted. You haven't SEEN racism until you go into a black/brown inner city. You want to be appalled, see what they think of YOU. They have NO respect or gratitude. Most blacks/browns would be homeless and starving if it wasn't for white peoples generosity. And they hate us. The entire continent of Africa is on perpetual welfare. 3/4 of the world population is black/brown/asian and POOR. They're only alive because we feed them. They reproduce like rabbits, that's why there are so many of then.

I sure hope the KKK is gaining in popularity...they've been TRYING to warn you, they've been TRYING to STOP the brown invasion. They've been fighting what has been destroying this country...diversity. We peaked in the 50s...the "civil rights" of the 60s began a long slow destruction...nationally and culturally. It's almost too late to stop.

Originally Posted by Guest

What a bunch of hypocrites. You do not think people should have special accommodations but you rant and rave when younger people are living in The Villages. You want to live in a special enclave where everyone is white, conforms like a Stepford wife, and follows the same path, eats the same chain restaurant food, rides the same type of golf carts, listens to the same music, and keeps their hair grey and the bellies fat from all the drinking. I bet you are the first to complain when you have to wait for a table in a restaurant. You are showing what a bunch of old goats you are with shallow minds, empty hearts, and white right views. Maybe The Villages is really home to the Nazis in disguise.

Yes...because that's "us". It's called cohesion and common likes and interests keep people together.

YOU want to bring in...dragging pants, sh!tty rap "music", loud obnoxious behavior, stupid behavior, a lack of morals and norms, people who smell funny, act funny, talk funny... People we have NO common bond with. Why? Why would you WANT to live among people you share NOTHING with? I wouldn't move into the inner city because there's nothing I want/need there. So WHY would you want to move here? Because WE did the hard work to EARN our place here? If YOU want a "diversified", a black/brown paradise to live in...make your own...don't move here and destroy ours.

If demanding standards is being a nazi...then guilty as charged. I want the villages to stay a friendly, safe, beautiful, WHITE place.

Originally Posted by Guest

What a bunch of hypocrites. You do not think people should have special accommodations but you rant and rave when younger people are living in The Villages. You want to live in a special enclave where everyone is white, conforms like a Stepford wife, and follows the same path, eats the same chain restaurant food, rides the same type of golf carts, listens to the same music, and keeps their hair grey and the bellies fat from all the drinking. I bet you are the first to complain when you have to wait for a table in a restaurant. You are showing what a bunch of old goats you are with shallow minds, empty hearts, and white right views. Maybe The Villages is really home to the Nazis in disguise.

Yes, that is why a lot of us moved here. Why did you move here if you don't like it? TO CHANGE IT? Because that is exactly why Yankees move South. They like it down South until they move here and then attempt to change it to reflect their nasty Northern, crime ridden lifestyle. Just so they can complain again.

I am not going to attempt to explain to you why I enjoy living in a predominantly white community. It really has nothing to do with race, but with security or race. Seniors are generally more law abiding than the young that like to act out and rebel against authority. That's why we have a seniors' community. We have rules that everyone agrees to when they move here. Remember the covenants and restrictions that you signed when you purchased? Or, do you even live here? DO NOT come here expecting us to change or conform to your idea of what YOU want it to be. There is plenty of room in America for people like you to live where you don't have to be subjected to our lifestyle. It is your prerogative (even though wrong) to believe that because the community is mostly white that we are racially biased. You still have free thought. All you are doing by accusing us, is making yourself less acceptable to the community. Most of us moved away from people like you. But, you insist on following us around. For some reason, it gives you pleasure to make those around you as miserable as you.

I am still a believer of the old saying of: LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. It's up to you, but if you want my opinion free of charge, you would be a lot happier if you accepted our community for what it is, instead of what you want it to be. In case you don't know it, I am not a believer or advocate of PC.