Originally Posted by Guest

This report by the Associated Press has been totally debunked and pulled from their website. Just waiting for corrections to be posted by the OP and other contributors.

Meanwhile, President Obama is getting closer to his 34 vote margin needed to sustain his veto when Senator Clair McCaskell (D-MO) announced today that she supports the Iran deal and will vote yes.

Why in the world do you make yourself look like a fool ?

The story was not debunked and as far as I know the only website, that infamous blogger VOX, took issues with the HEADLINE used.

In my original post on this where I cut and pasted and referenced this article, I was VERY clear at that outset of that post....and this is what I said..

"One of the big issues with Iran for a few years has been the military installation in Parchin. Always was the lead in every story about Iran and nukes. Was on the lips of everyone before negotiations began."


These were my words and not part of the AP story. If you knew ANYTHING about the world, you would know...This site has a history and one robust with secrets and denials.

Before this story on AP broke about the secret deals, let me share with you a CBS report from mid July.

"The IAEA has long sought to inspect sites like the Parchin military base where Iran is suspected to be engaging in nuclear weapons development, but Iran has denied them access."

Also part of that story is this quoting our President...

"When President Obama hailed the Iran nuclear agreement on television Tuesday morning, he said the said it would usher in an era of unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.

"Inspectors will also be able to access any suspicious location. Put simply, the organization responsible for the inspections, the IAEA, will have access where necessary, when necessary," the president said."


Obama says inspectors get access to "any" site in Iran. Is it true? - CBS News
The story has not even close to being "debunked" as you call it.

This is the story on AP as of today and to me, the most important part...

"VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press."

AP Exclusive: UN to let Iran inspect alleged nuke work site

Now I have linked and copied as much as I have time to do, and it shows that you either deliberately lied in your post or just do not understand what is happening.

It also appears that the President of the United States is a bit of a fibber as well.

He has over and over again said that Iran will not get a secret deal that is favorable.

I think any sane person would agree this is MORE than favorable to Iran. To allow them to do their own inspection on a MILITARY facility, long rumored to be the center of their nuke program well before any discussion even began, actually I think the last time this place was ALLOWED to be inspected was in 2005.

On your statement about the President getting close to the votes needed to shut down an override on a veto. BE PROUD....our President has negotiated perhaps the most single important deal with Iran, and requires to get the votes on an over ride of our congress to get it. Sound familiar....it is eerily like the Obama care debate where BOTH parties had dissenters......and in both cases the rules needed to be manipulated in order to get their way.

It is scary and that you would allow yourself to stoop to a level that you think misconstruing a news story of substance tells everyone a lot about you.

You have criticized the posters on here for not understanding human rights, etc, yet you insult them with lies and distortion like your post.

Originally Posted by Guest

Why in the world do you make yourself look like a fool ?

The story was not debunked and as far as I know the only website, that infamous blogger VOX, took issues with the HEADLINE used.

In my original post on this where I cut and pasted and referenced this article, I was VERY clear at that outset of that post....and this is what I said..

"One of the big issues with Iran for a few years has been the military installation in Parchin. Always was the lead in every story about Iran and nukes. Was on the lips of everyone before negotiations began."


These were my words and not part of the AP story. If you knew ANYTHING about the world, you would know...This site has a history and one robust with secrets and denials.

Before this story on AP broke about the secret deals, let me share with you a CBS report from mid July.

"The IAEA has long sought to inspect sites like the Parchin military base where Iran is suspected to be engaging in nuclear weapons development, but Iran has denied them access."

Also part of that story is this quoting our President...

"When President Obama hailed the Iran nuclear agreement on television Tuesday morning, he said the said it would usher in an era of unprecedented access to Iran's nuclear facilities.

"Inspectors will also be able to access any suspicious location. Put simply, the organization responsible for the inspections, the IAEA, will have access where necessary, when necessary," the president said."


Obama says inspectors get access to "any" site in Iran. Is it true? - CBS News
The story has not even close to being "debunked" as you call it.

This is the story on AP as of today and to me, the most important part...

"VIENNA (AP) — Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press."

AP Exclusive: UN to let Iran inspect alleged nuke work site

Now I have linked and copied as much as I have time to do, and it shows that you either deliberately lied in your post or just do not understand what is happening.

It also appears that the President of the United States is a bit of a fibber as well.

He has over and over again said that Iran will not get a secret deal that is favorable.

I think any sane person would agree this is MORE than favorable to Iran. To allow them to do their own inspection on a MILITARY facility, long rumored to be the center of their nuke program well before any discussion even began, actually I think the last time this place was ALLOWED to be inspected was in 2005.

On your statement about the President getting close to the votes needed to shut down an override on a veto. BE PROUD....our President has negotiated perhaps the most single important deal with Iran, and requires to get the votes on an over ride of our congress to get it. Sound familiar....it is eerily like the Obama care debate where BOTH parties had dissenters......and in both cases the rules needed to be manipulated in order to get their way.

It is scary and that you would allow yourself to stoop to a level that you think misconstruing a news story of substance tells everyone a lot about you.

You have criticized the posters on here for not understanding human rights, etc, yet you insult them with lies and distortion like your post.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

First, I didn't post the post about debunking the AP article. The above is really long. However, it gives you the history of conflict between Iran and IAEA.

Apply a little common sense, if possible. Given the history between the two why would the IAEA give Iran anything that it wants, especially after the P5plus1 agreement with Iran. The IAEA is now going to look the other way, so Iran can cheat on the agreement that took close to two years to agree upon. How does that make any sense?

Originally Posted by Guest

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

First, I didn't post the post about debunking the AP article. The above is really long. However, it gives you the history of conflict between Iran and IAEA.

Apply a little common sense, if possible. Given the history between the two why would the IAEA give Iran anything that it wants, especially after the P5plus1 agreement with Iran. The IAEA is now going to look the other way, so Iran can cheat on the agreement that took close to two years to agree upon. How does that make any sense?

Well, whomever, you are once again changing the subject for some inexplicable reason.

Nobody has criticized the IAEA.

Here is my take and my criticism.

1. Iran has not allowed anyone in the world to inspect Parchin since I think 2005. It has been the subject of much suspicion.

2. We enter into negotiations with Iran and are told there will be no concessions that will be good for Iran.

3. We find out because of the media that there are secret agreements. If they don't break it, we never know.

4. But we are assured...nothing here to see.

5. NOW, because of the media, not our administration, that there is an agreement that Iran will conduct inspection of their own military installation that has been the subject of years of confrontation

You are turning this as if there is some kind of criticism of IAEA. My problem is with this administration who knew all this and said not one word to anyone. My problem is that we negotiated as we are told the best deal possible and this little tidbit is not discussed.

Please do not be insulting to talk about the IAEA....that is not the point at all and never was. Why you make it that is beyond me.

From the WIKI link that I suppose was to appease how I feel about this new secret deal relative to Parchin

"In November 2011, IAEA officials identified a "large explosive containment vessel" inside Parchin.[193] The IAEA later assessed that Iran has been conducting experiments to develop nuclear weapons capability.[194]"

"On 24 February 2012, IAEA Director General Amano reported to the IAEA Board of Governors that high-level IAEA delegations had met twice with Iranian officials to intensify efforts to resolve outstanding issues, but that major differences remained and Iran did not grant IAEA requests for access to the Parchin site, where the IAEA believes high-explosives research pertinent to nuclear weapons may have taken place."

AUGUST 2012....still from the same link...

"The report also expressed concerns over Parchin, which the IAEA has sought to inspect for evidence of nuclear weapons development. Since the IAEA requested access, "significant ground scraping and landscaping have been undertaken over an extensive area at and around the location," five buildings had been demolished, while power lines, fences, and paved roads were removed, all of which would hamper the IAEA investigation if it were granted access.[212]"

NOVEMBER 2012

"The November report noted that Iran has continued to deny the IAEA access to the military site at

• Parchin

. Citing evidence from satellite imagery that "Iran constructed a large explosives containment vessel in which to conduct hydrodynamic experiments" relevant to nuclear weapons development, the report expresses concern that changes taking place at the Parchin military site might eliminate evidence of past nuclear activities, noting that there had been virtually no activity at that location between February 2005 and the time the IAEA requested access. Those changes include:

Frequent presence of equipment, trucks and personnel.
Large amounts of liquid run-off.
Removal of external pipework.
Razing and removal of five other buildings or structures and the site perimeter fence.
Reconfiguration of electrical and water supply.
Shrouding of the containment vessel building.
Scraping and removal of large quantities of earth and the depositing of new earth in its place.[218][221]"

NO NEED TO LINK..if you just click on the poster who believes this is no problem you can read all of it.

You are turning this as if there is some kind of criticism of IAEA. My problem is with this administration who knew all this and said not one word to anyone. My problem is that we negotiated as we are told the best deal possible and this little tidbit is not discussed.

Please do not be insulting to talk about the IAEA....that is not the point at all and never was. Why you make it that is beyond me.

The AP article mentioned the IAEA over twenty times. Why would anybody with a brain think that the secret agreements between IAEA and Iran were a problem? Of course, those of you think that this administration is responsible for all the sins of the world insulting you with facts, is a total waste of time. Wake up to what you are!

Originally Posted by Guest

You are turning this as if there is some kind of criticism of IAEA. My problem is with this administration who knew all this and said not one word to anyone. My problem is that we negotiated as we are told the best deal possible and this little tidbit is not discussed.

Please do not be insulting to talk about the IAEA....that is not the point at all and never was. Why you make it that is beyond me.

The AP article mentioned the IAEA over twenty times. Why would anybody with a brain think that the secret agreements between IAEA and Iran were a problem? Of course, those of you think that this administration is responsible for all the sins of the world insulting you with facts, is a total waste of time. Wake up to what you are!

"Of course, those of you think that this administration is responsible for all the sins of the world insulting you with facts, is a total waste of time. Wake up to what you are![/QUOTE]"

I hope you don't mind if I type this in BOLD print, hoping against hope that you might understand it.

YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO IS DISCUSSING THE IAEA.

I AM SPEAKING OF THE CONCESSION GIVEN IN A SECRET DEAL TO ALLOW THIS KIND OF INSPECTION ON THE VERY SITE THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS.

I AM SPEAKING OF A PRESIDENT WHO ASKED CONGRESS TO OK A DEAL WHEN HE WAS NOT HONEST ABOUT IT AND HAD PROMISED THIS "KIND OF STUFF"...IE., CONCESSIONS TO IRAN...WOULD OCCUR.

AND BY THE WAY, "THIS ADMINISTRATION" IS THE ONLY ADMINISTRATION INVOLVED.

GET OFF THE IAEA. NOBODY IS DISCUSSING THAT. WE HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN TO TRUST THEM.

AND if you were presenting facts relative to the discussion, I would be shocked. Start a thread concerning trusting the IAEA and Iran. THAT is not what this is about....THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE.

AND by the way, I know exactly who I am and who I am not.

I will not be bullied by you, and will deal with facts, not your conjecture OR your spin of facts.

You just ignore what is not comfortable and discuss what pleases you.

So refrain from trying to change the subject of this thread which is about secret deals that were kept from the american voters and congress.

If you want to start a thread speaking of how you love secret deals like this, then please do.

In the meantime, do not ever tell me to "Wake up to what you are!" I have supported our President on many occasions, not that you care, but I support NOBODY BLINDLY and I have no love for party as you do, so do not lecture me...you make yourself look silly.

On the news today it was announced what the content of one of the side agreements is.

Iran will self inspect it's nuclear sites including the closed military sites where the suspected weapons are being developed. The IEAC or what ever the organization stated Iran is fully capable of handling the inspection WITHOUT ANY OUTSIDE participation.

Are we witnessing the actual who is the biggest dumb a$$ leader and negotiator on the planet?

This is the first post on this thread. Nobody is talking about the IAEA except the person that started the thread. Dealing with facts is totally foreign to you. You try to bully people with your foolish capitalization, bold print, and enlarged print.

The person that you jumped all over concerning the AP pulling their article wasn't lying. The AP pulled the article, and then reinstated it. How was he suppose to know the AP was going to reinstate the article?

AND if you were presenting facts relative to the discussion, I would be shocked. Start a thread concerning trusting the IAEA and Iran. THAT is not what this is about....THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE

The only secret deals are the ones between the IAEA and Iran. What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Guest

You are turning this as if there is some kind of criticism of IAEA. My problem is with this administration who knew all this and said not one word to anyone. My problem is that we negotiated as we are told the best deal possible and this little tidbit is not discussed.

Please do not be insulting to talk about the IAEA....that is not the point at all and never was. Why you make it that is beyond me.

The AP article mentioned the IAEA over twenty times. Why would anybody with a brain think that the secret agreements between IAEA and Iran were a problem? Of course, those of you think that this administration is responsible for all the sins of the world insulting you with facts, is a total waste of time. Wake up to what you are!

This administration believes in "leading from behind." Anyone with an education, understands that means "following." You are the one that needs to wake up if you are content with the way this administration is run. If anything, the administration is "leading" us down the path of destruction.

AND by the way, I know exactly who I am and who I am not.

I will not be bullied by you, and will deal with facts, not your conjecture OR your spin of facts.

You just ignore what is not comfortable and discuss what pleases you

THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE

What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

The plain is simple fact is facts are the last thing that you want to talk about. Why? To quote Chairman Boehner "It's just to Hard!"

Originally Posted by Guest

AND by the way, I know exactly who I am and who I am not.

I will not be bullied by you, and will deal with facts, not your conjecture OR your spin of facts.

You just ignore what is not comfortable and discuss what pleases you

THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE

What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

The plain is simple fact is facts are the last thing that you want to talk about. Why? To quote Chairman Boehner "It's just to Hard!"

This post is simply a confusing mess, and I have no clue...

If it helps, we are discussing the secret deal concerning Iran doing self inspection. That seems straight forward and factual.

All posts discussing this have had not only quotes, but links to validate. Lots of facts in the supplied reading material.

So, this mess of a post makes no sense.

Goggle!! Now that liberal left run orginazation. Google, fb, an probably tweed, all are liberal ran businesses I place to steal you private cyber information, selling it, and pushing the liberal base agenda. I have my droughts about wiki also?

If it helps, we are discussing the secret deal concerning Iran doing self inspection.

Go back and read each post. The secret deals were between the IAEA and Iran. When I brought up the IAEA, I was told that I was changing the subject. The person went so far as capitalizing the following THIS IS ABOUT SECRET DEALS OF MAJOR IMPORTANCE. He capitalized that sentence to make sure I understood what the thread was about. So, I ask the question that he could not dance around. What secret deals of major importance are you talking about?

The person that I am directing the question to has a habit of telling people that they are changing the subject. When, in fact, they are addressing the subject, nut not to his satisfaction. When he sees something that he can not defend, he will try to divert attention by putting the other person on the defensive. When that doesn't work, he will not answer the question that is directed to him.

Does that clear up the mess! If it doesn't please tell me, how placing the IAEA in this discussion was not appropriate.