Originally Posted by waynet

It is very difficult to be bi-partisan when the opposition is the party of no. I find it very hard to believe that not one republican can vote for any of the programs set forth by Obama.NOT ONE. These clowns vote against programs then go back home and take the money and take credit for getting the money. They are determined to see Obama fail even if it means hurting this country. Again to my point:NOT ONE republican has voted for any of the legislation. Obama even went to see them 1 vs. 140 and made them look like what they are,spoiled brats. NOT ONE.

Wow...if there was an award for partisan, unbridled spinning...your post is a winner. Excuse me but, haven't the democrats gloated since the Obamster's election about their overwhelming control of both the Senate and the House? So much for their purported and self proclaimed bulletproof mandate.Why do they even need the Republican "clowns" to pass anything including their own wind? The approval ratings of the Democratic leadership, Reid and Pelosi would suggest they are more culpable then the Republicans you mindlessly seek to blame for the administration's failures. Partisan whining about those dreadful Republicans from the party that holds convincing majorities, for now, in both houses begs the question...would you like some cheese with your whine.

For you to lay Obama's colossal impotence and failure on the republican minority is absurd. Further, it is a stale Democratic talking point that actually fuels the growing loyal opposition.

Welcome to the firing line....have a good day in The Villages.

Originally Posted by waynet

Bucco,I'll give you one example. Senator Shelby of Alabama announced he would block 70 administration nominees. In the past senators have blocked individuals for a period of time but one senator blocking 70 is unheard of.He is using what is called the HOLDING TOOL. It is legal to do he's just the first to take it to this extreme. I will not go into the reasons for his actions,let me just say like all 100 of them he loves to pork barrell.
During the Bush presidency,3 of his nominations waited more than 3 months. For Obama that number is 46 and 9 more have waited twice that long.

The scary part is that some of the blocked nominees are in our national security agencies.
To me this is what I mean by allowing the majority to govern. When appointments are being held up for no reason other than to hold them up thats not the minority position.
And I haven't even got to the fillibuster stuff yet.
As for calling the repubs clowns if the shoe fits wear it. I just don't see calling Obama a king and then saying he is accomplishing nothing.Don't Kings have unlimited power? Shouldn't he be able to do anything he wants?Shouldn't he be able to get rid of Shelby and all opposition?

Perhaps you missed this news.....

"Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., had blocked more than 80 presidential nominations now before the Senate, but tonight he relented, saying he had simply been trying "to get the White House's attention" on two important national security issues related to his state.

Shelby had blocked the nominations by using a procedural tactic called a "hold," which allows individual senators to block votes on presidential nominations. But Shelby's spokesman, John Graffeo, says he will drop "most" of his holds.

Graffeo told ABC News that the purpose of placing the holds were to "get the White House's attention on two issues that are critical to our national security -- the Air Force's aerial refueling tanker acquisition and the FBI's Terrorist Device Analytical Center (TEDAC)." Both issues were unrelated to the nominations, and the latter regarded the Obama administration's decision not to move an FBI lab to Shelby's home state of Alabama.

"With that accomplished, Shelby has decided to release his holds on all but a few nominees directly related to the Air Force tanker acquisition until the new Request for Proposal is issued," Graffeo said. "

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/se...ory?id=9782098

I do not defend his actions nor commend them because to me, it is NOT an example of the point you are trying to make. WHY DO YOU NOT VISIT THE STIMULUS BILL OR THE HEALTH CARE NEGOTIATIONS THUS FAR in order to discuss THIS ADMINSTRATION AND THIS CONGRESS'S ATTEMPTS AT BIPARTISAN SHIP !

Which by the way was a cornerstone of the campaign !!!

I second that thought. The Democrats don't need one single Republican vote to pass their agenda. They have free reign and still can't pass their own bills.

Why? Because even many in their own party know the bills are horrible and they also know the voters are going to make them pay the price for their radicle ways.

Of course Obama isn't a King, he just thinks he is but I agree, calling the Anointed One King won't solve any issues.

The issues will be solved in November and again in 2012.

First Donna....Why did the Dems do it? What was Bush doing to circumvent Congress to get his nominations in WITHOUT approval? Read the entire article please.

Bucco,I did respond to the stimulus in an earlier post asking how REpubs can vote against it then go home and claim they got all the money for their state.
As for health care the Dems were a total failure. I despised the deals that were made to try to get it passed.It was wrong for the Dems to do it.

Cabo 35....I was having a pretty civil conversation with Bucko then your ranting and raving starts. Spin?? My figures are accurate,my quotes are accurate,my FACTS are correct. Mindlessly,I don't think so.

Originally Posted by waynet

Bucco,I did respond to the stimulus in an earlier post asking how REpubs can vote against it then go home and claim they got all the money for their state.
As for health care the Dems were a total failure. I despised the deals that were made to try to get it passed.It was wrong for the Dems to do it.

You blast Shelby but do not give the entire story which was published almost a week ago.

You do not mention HOW that stimulus bill was passed...please re visit that...you use this to call the Republicans the party of NO ! Please explain .

You despise what the Dems did on health bill but call the Republicans the party of no...a bit confused in this corner..although that is not new.

I get the sense that you read the party stuff and ignore the facts.....which applies to folks in both parties but expand your reading please

Originally Posted by dklassen

Thank God we have at least one party that says no. Not only should it be no, it should be HELL NO.

If the policy is crap you don't support it... PERIOD. The American people have said no and so have the Republicans.

King Obama and his economic recking crew only have one definition of bipartisanship. Our way or the highway and that extends to the Republicans and the American people themselves.

Don't believe me? Check back in November.

Finally, you guys are catching on! Where were you in the sixties? I and thousands of others were saying HELL NO WE WON'T GO to the debacle in Viet Nam., while the "silent majority" just sat by! We were called unpatriotic, now we'd be hailed as patriotic "**********". It took a long time and 55,000 lives for America to finally wake up to the fact that American politicians and the military brass can make huge mistakes.

Originally Posted by waynet

First Donna....Why did the Dems do it? What was Bush doing to circumvent Congress to get his nominations in WITHOUT approval? Read the entire article please.

I did read it. They held them up so he did it while they were out.

The country is broke and going deeper in debt. Tea Partiers want fiscal sanity. We spend 3 dollars for every one coming in. We need jobs, not new ways to go bankrupt. Why does he not listen to the people?

I think he wants the USA to go the same way the Soviet Union went.

Originally Posted by dklassen

I second that thought. The Democrats don't need one single Republican vote to pass their agenda. They have free reign and still can't pass their own bills.

Why? Because even many in their own party know the bills are horrible and they also know the voters are going to make them pay the price for their radicle ways.

Of course Obama isn't a King, he just thinks he is but I agree, calling the Anointed One King won't solve any issues.

The issues will be solved in November and again in 2012.

Yes if all their ideas are so good why do they want the Republicans to vote for these stupid bills. You don't think they want to share the blame do you?
Yes November 2012 can't come soon enough for me.

Bucco,
Shelby..fact,he did hold up 70 nominations by himself.So what if 3 months later he withdrew them. The damage was done.
As far as health care and the party of no if it's wrong it's wrong Dem or Repub. The Dems screwed the whole thing up and the repubs didn't help matters.
Stimulus bill...Not one repub voted for it hence the party of no. I still can't believe that not one repub saw any value in the bill.
And as far as readings and habits I have only tried to state facts. I think everything I have written is factual within the no spin zone. Yes I do watch O'Reilly but I also watch MSNBC.
I stated earlier,I am an independant and very proud of it.

Donna,I agree with you. We are in some trouble. We do need jobs. We do need fiscal sanity. I don't have the answers. I'm hoping our gov't does.

Originally Posted by waynet

Donna,I agree with you. We are in some trouble. We do need jobs. We do need fiscal sanity. I don't have the answers. I'm hoping our gov't does.

That statement is what is wrong. Government should get smaller and let the private sector grow again.

Originally Posted by waynet

Cabo 35....I was having a pretty civil conversation with Bucko then your ranting and raving starts. Spin?? My figures are accurate,my quotes are accurate,my FACTS are correct. Mindlessly,I don't think so.

Excuse me waynet...but, this is an open political forum. If you expect one on one engagement with posters, perhaps you should just send private messages. Your posts are in a public forum and I am surprised you have an expectation of filtering what you do and do not want to hear. Perhaps you were referring to the use of "clowns" as part of my "rant". I would remind you that it was your characterization of Republicans as "clowns", not mine that perpetuates a tone that would qualify as a "rant" or "rave" and may evoke an unsolicited "in kind" response.

I haven't tried to dispute your facts.....just your partisan conclusions and spin.

Have a nice evening.

However, I am always suspicious what the motives are of new posters is when they jump in with both feet and use the bashing approach.

When it comes to partisanship I always like to quote everybody's all time favorite....Nancy Pelosi. Prior to becoming Speaker she was interviewed in CA and was asked how she evaluated legislation/proposals/bills/etc....her response was it was easy....if it comes from the opposition she said she was against it.

One of Obama's collection of mistakes is delegating to the congress that which he wants done, with no guidelines, direction or expectations and then let's Nancy and the GANG back room what they want to get done.

If it were not for the Mass. election we would have a health care reform package already back doored as they threatened to do. Thank GOD we the people are sending the message.

Bipartisanship is a political mental exercise with no action ever expected to take place...either party. Not until the incumbents are ousted will there be any change.

2010 & 2012 re elect NO ONE....get the crooks and lechers and liars smoke peddalers out of office.

btk