Cabo,facts aren't partisan and don't have spin. They are truths whether you like them or not. You can disagree with them,try to disprove them but to claim facts are partisan is just not true.My facts are partisan only because you do not agree with them. You are right though I should not have called the repubs clowns. Some of you like to refer to the Pres. as king so maybe Repubs should be called his subjects.

Originally Posted by waynet

Bucco,
Shelby..fact,he did hold up 70 nominations by himself.So what if 3 months later he withdrew them. The damage was done.
As far as health care and the party of no if it's wrong it's wrong Dem or Repub. The Dems screwed the whole thing up and the repubs didn't help matters.
Stimulus bill...Not one repub voted for it hence the party of no. I still can't believe that not one repub saw any value in the bill.
And as far as readings and habits I have only tried to state facts. I think everything I have written is factual within the no spin zone. Yes I do watch O'Reilly but I also watch MSNBC.
I stated earlier,I am an independant and very proud of it.

WAYNET....you profess that you post only facts and want to come across as a straightshooter.......

This is what you are saying...."Stimulus bill...Not one repub voted for it hence the party of no. I still can't believe that not one repub saw any value in the bill."

WAYNET....now llisten....

NOBODY READ IT...NOBODY...THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO EVEN READ IT YET YOU CALL THEM THE PARTY OF NO...COME ON !!!

Based on this one thing alone...I dont think you have a clue and are simply giving out that party line ! You are NOT stating facts as you say...you have distorted all of it ! DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT NOBODY HAD THE CHANCE TO READ IT ?

Originally Posted by waynet

Cabo,facts aren't partisan and don't have spin. They are truths whether you like them or not. You can disagree with them,try to disprove them but to claim facts are partisan is just not true.My facts are partisan only because you do not agree with them. You are right though I should not have called the repubs clowns. Some of you like to refer to the Pres. as king so maybe Repubs should be called his subjects.

Tell us about the "facts" you distort....ignoring the entire story on Shelby...all you said was 100% out of context.

Ignoring the fact that the Republicans were shut out and had no chance to read the stimulus bill !!

How can you say you are stating truths....doesnt matter what side of the aisle...you are NOT stating facts !

As for Shelby here are the facts...he held up the nominations because he wanted 2 pet projects for his state worht tens of millions of dollars. When the press found out he suddenly changed his mind. Here is a guy who preaches too much gov't until it comes to the money.
As for the stimulus,the repubs were not going to vote for it even if it was one sentence. Before the bill was written they had stated they would not be voting for any stimulus package.As I stated in an earlier post Eric Cantor the minority whip said "just say no,they will not support the Presidents agenda".
Those are the facts.
I'll give you another fact. 7 senate repubs co-sponsered a bill for a bi-partisan commision to try to balance the budget. When it came to a floor vote they voted against it.Please explain that.
Another fact. Obama went to see the repubs on their turf to try and get some bipartisanship going. He answered all their questions,even blamed democrats for some of the problems. What happened? Fact..nothing.

NOBODY READ IT...NOBODY...THEY WERE NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO EVEN READ IT YET YOU CALL THEM THE PARTY OF NO...COME ON !!!

Based on this one thing alone...I dont think you have a clue and are simply giving out that party line ! You are NOT stating facts as you say...you have distorted all of it ! DID YOU NOT KNOW THAT NOBODY HAD THE CHANCE TO READ IT ?[/QUOTE]

Yes the Dems vote for a bill that not one person had a chance to read and the Republicans voted No for a bill that not one person has read.
I'll vote for the Republicans come 2012.

Donna,I agree with you. We are in some trouble. We do need jobs. We do need fiscal sanity. I don't have the answers. I'm hoping our gov't does.

There's the sentiment that gets us in trouble. Government doesn't have the answers. Government isn't the solution, they are the problem.

Originally Posted by dklassen

There's the sentiment that gets us in trouble. Government doesn't have the answers. Government isn't the solution, they are the problem.

There should be a thread dedicated to this subject. Liberals (progressives) want the "nanny state." Progressives feel they are mentally and morally superior to conservatives, therefore, they want to construct the laws and regulations according to their "standards"that everybody should obey.

Remember:

If a conservative doesn't believe in God--he keeps it to himself.
If a liberal doesn't believe in God--he wants it (God) eliminated.

If a conservative doesn't like meat--he don't eat it.
If a liberal doesn't eat meat, he wants to outlaw meat.

If a conservative does not like guns--he won't buy one.
If a liberal does not like guns, he wants to outlaw them.

These are just the tip if the proverbial iceberg of how liberals would change your world.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Tell us about the "facts" you distort....ignoring the entire story on Shelby...all you said was 100% out of context.

Ignoring the fact that the Republicans were shut out and had no chance to read the stimulus bill !!

How can you say you are stating truths....doesnt matter what side of the aisle...you are NOT stating facts !

Ok then....how many bills were read during the previous administrations? This reading of the bill thing is just so much smoke. When the Repubs required the bill to be read before the Senate NO ONE WAS THERE.

Now to the stimulus package...the Repubs voted against it but then they show up in their districts for ribbon cuttings. The height of hypocrisy.

They vote against it and then take credit.....losers.

Originally Posted by cologal

Ok then....how many bills were read during the previous administrations? This reading of the bill thing is just so much smoke. When the Repubs required the bill to be read before the Senate NO ONE WAS THERE.

Now to the stimulus package...the Repubs voted against it but then they show up in their districts for ribbon cuttings. The height of hypocrisy.

They vote against it and then take credit.....losers.

All the democrats voted against everything about Iraq, now want to take credit. Hypocrites-all.

As a matter of fact Donna your statement is wrong. The Dems did vote to invade Iraq. Also everytime a vote came up to increase troop strength or the money needed to fight the war the majority of Dems voted yes.

The only losers are the American people. The crooks are in D.C.

Problem is, you guys are splitting hairs. Politicians are power hungry crooks both Democrats and Republicans.

So it goes back to party philosophy in general. Everyone knows Democrats are tax and spend and Republicans are more private sector, tax cut oriented. Democrats in general are big government central control and Republicans lean more towards limited government... in general.

What we have now is the biggest tax and spend, in debt, large government, central control administration in history and how do they propose to fix it all? More spending, higher taxes.

So far not one person has ever been able to answer this question. Anyone want to try?

Name one society in world history that taxed and spent it' way to prosperity?

Yet that's exactly what the Democrats are trying to do. Sorry folks, it doesn't work and it never will. All you end up with is more debt and more powerful central governments.

But then again, I guess some do want larger central control of our lives. There were we part company.

My last post on this topic...... I want to thank both Jurek and Dklassen for having an open mind as far as Obama goes. The man has been President for less than 2 years and you have already decided that you will not vote for him in 2112.I wonder if you were as quick with Bush. I really doubt it.

Already decided I won't vote for him in 2012?

Dude, I decided not to vote for him two years ago and it's only getting worse. Obama makes me wish we had Bill Clinton back.

Originally Posted by waynet

My last post on this topic...... I want to thank both Jurek and Dklassen for having an open mind as far as Obama goes. The man has been President for less than 2 years and you have already decided that you will not vote for him in 2112.I wonder if you were as quick with Bush. I really doubt it.

I decided that in 2008. I feel like somebody here is playing us.

This morning Democratic senator from Indiana Evan Bayh announced he will not run for reelection. One month ago he had a 20 point lead to be reelected. Former Senator Republican Dan Coates announced he is running and he has a 20 point lead in the polls. Another vote against the Dems.