Originally Posted by Guest

Refresh my memory, who was our first socialist president? Since you have declared that Hillary is a socialist boarding on communist, you might be leaving in the very near future. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Australia may not let you in. You know how much that they hate the far right.

If Trump gets elected, you will need a 70" TV just to fit his head on the screen. You have to make sure that bright orange is one of the colors. It took Trump a long time to get the color right. How the hell do you go from bark brown to bright orange? Don't worry; it is real hair. There isn't anything phony about Trump. He has a habit of toning down his inflammatory talk, but his hair he will never tone down.

Very president's hair changes to grey during his presidency. You want to bet dollars to donuts that if Trump gets elected his hair color won't change?

You insist on telling me that I am threatening on leaving the country for some reason. The only troll on here that has suggested this, is you. Australia was mentioned (by me as an alternative socialist country) the last time you suggested that I might want to leave the country. No one has threatened to leave, but for some unknown reason you seem to be running with it. They have medication for that ailment you seem to be prone to.
I have never been interested in the president's hair. Sybil, perhaps one of your personalities wants to comment on the color of his ties also?
If what you say is true regarding Trump's head size then I suppose my TV is adjusted just fine. After all, the screen already had to be large enough to accommodate Obie's big ears..

Originally Posted by Guest

Thanks for lobbing a softball at me. Where did the good old boys run to when civil rights laws were passed in the 60's? That wouldn't be the party of Lincoln would it? Were have they stayed in the last 50 years? That wouldn't be the party of Lincoln would it?

What happened when the party of Lincoln states were told that they could now change voting laws in their state without prior approved. South Carolina instituted voter id laws that were directed against minorities, and did it in record breaking time. Texas followed suit. Which party controls both states? That wouldn't be the party of Lincoln would it?

It appears that the change in party didn't change the attitude for these good old boys. The Republican now owns them. So, good luck to you.

You can't be bragging about your female, black, and Latino candidates? I can't believe anyone is that stupid. Your female candidate is being completely ignored. Is the under card like telling someone to walk five steps behind you? Your black candidate is one of a token few in your party. He is so clueless that he wouldn't get the majority of black votes. Your Latino candidates are running away from the race as fast as they can. If they support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, they wouldn't get any votes in the primaries. You have a few Christians. Praise the lord! There really is a God in heaven.

The liberals or socialists as you like to call them want to run everything. Government control of industry. An end to capitalism! You can say this with a straight face! If it didn't come from a far right Republican, that would sound crazy. Have no fear, the far right will stop this from happening, because they are excellent at fixing problems that only exist in their minds. Reality is a concept that is totally foreign to them.

61 votes to repeal Obamacare, and one gets through the Senate by a procedural maneuver, this is the Republicans idea of getting something done. They sit there and clap for a job well done. Isn't it nice to get paid for doing nothing? They want to cut social programs. Maybe they should start by cutting their own pay.

I don't know where you want to go with this but if you are speaking of the slavery issue, you might want to check the percentage of Democrats that have always been against every slavery and equal rights issue where votes were required.

By the way, as much as you are ashamed of being called a liberal or a reality check with the socialist label, I am not insulted when you associate me with the right wing label. For some reason you liberals seem to think that "far right, right wing and Tea party" are a slur. I consider it a compliment, thanks.

Originally Posted by Guest

Don't let a kangaroo kick you in the crotch, mate. They don't like tea bags.

In your case, we make exceptions for douchebags in America.

Dear Guests:

Unfortunately for America, and hence all of us, this thread's content mirrors the decent in Americans ability to carry on civil debate....and I include some the the presidential candidates.

First a lawyer in Texas filed a lawsuit concerning the "natural born" issue related to Ted Cruz's birth. His personal political choice he claims is Bernie Sanders. Frankly I hope there are more lawsuits because for the protection of America and because this issue has been raised at least three times in the last 10 years or so the definition of natural born which has never been adjuicated needs to be defined once and for all.

As to Cruz himself. He is well rehearsed. He is an excellent debater and has been from his high school days. He uses his evangical roots to add to the drama of his debating skills. He is an excellent Constitutional lawyer (but that was also the claim made by others for Obama).

On the other hand I sense that he is too slick and he changes course on a dime (for/against issues to gain popular vote). I see him as divisive. I don't like that he gave up his citizenship in 2014. To me that is not American enough but the act of an opportunist.

I don't care what happened in the past. I am trying to focus on each and every presidential candidate to decide as best as once can who will represent America's interests the best? Who will advance policies and make decisions that regain ground lost in the last eight years? Who will step into this position ready willing and able to perform? Everything else is just noise and idle chatter to satisfy the news media printed or digital form.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guests:

Unfortunately for America, and hence all of us, this thread's content mirrors the decent in Americans ability to carry on civil debate....and I include some the the presidential candidates.

First a lawyer in Texas filed a lawsuit concerning the "natural born" issue related to Ted Cruz's birth. His personal political choice he claims is Bernie Sanders. Frankly I hope there are more lawsuits because for the protection of America and because this issue has been raised at least three times in the last 10 years or so the definition of natural born which has never been adjuicated needs to be defined once and for all.

As to Cruz himself. He is well rehearsed. He is an excellent debater and has been from his high school days. He uses his evangical roots to add to the drama of his debating skills. He is an excellent Constitutional lawyer (but that was also the claim made by others for Obama).

On the other hand I sense that he is too slick and he changes course on a dime (for/against issues to gain popular vote). I see him as divisive. I don't like that he gave up his citizenship in 2014. To me that is not American enough but the act of an opportunist.

I don't care what happened in the past. I am trying to focus on each and every presidential candidate to decide as best as once can who will represent America's interests the best? Who will advance policies and make decisions that regain ground lost in the last eight years? Who will step into this position ready willing and able to perform? Everything else is just noise and idle chatter to satisfy the news media printed or digital form.

Personal Best Regards:

I completely agree with you. However, I will make a couple of points, not to argue but to add.
The point of a politician is to represent us, so I can't really fault one for changing course, IF it is really for the majority of his voters. Big IF.
Bill Clinton also gave up his citizenship when he was avoiding the draft when he left the country to attend school in Europe during the Vietnam conflict.
Not that this has much relevance to Cruz.

But, I do agree on how "slick" Cruz appears. He is a good debater, but would he be a good president? He can't even seem to get alone with his peers in congress. How would he work with democrats? Perhaps he would be another Obama?

Originally Posted by Guest

I completely agree with you. However, I will make a couple of points, not to argue but to add.
The point of a politician is to represent us, so I can't really fault one for changing course, IF it is really for the majority of his voters. Big IF.
Bill Clinton also gave up his citizenship when he was avoiding the draft when he left the country to attend school in Europe during the Vietnam conflict.
Not that this has much relevance to Cruz.

But, I do agree on how "slick" Cruz appears. He is a good debater, but would he be a good president? He can't even seem to get alone with his peers in congress. How would he work with democrats? Perhaps he would be another Obama?

Should be "along"

Originally Posted by Guest

I completely agree with you. However, I will make a couple of points, not to argue but to add.
The point of a politician is to represent us, so I can't really fault one for changing course, IF it is really for the majority of his voters. Big IF.
Bill Clinton also gave up his citizenship when he was avoiding the draft when he left the country to attend school in Europe during the Vietnam conflict.
Not that this has much relevance to Cruz.

But, I do agree on how "slick" Cruz appears. He is a good debater, but would he be a good president? He can't even seem to get alone with his peers in congress. How would he work with democrats? Perhaps he would be another Obama?

We have already proven, twice a good debater/speaker/story teller can be elected.

Perhaps Cruz inability to get along with his peers in congress is the most positive reasonong for him being a better candidate....he does not typically follow the cronyism crowd that are there to protect their own self interests.

He would work with democrats about as effectively as Obama did and does.....not at all.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't know where you want to go with this but if you are speaking of the slavery issue, you might want to check the percentage of Democrats that have always been against every slavery and equal rights issue where votes were required.

By the way, as much as you are ashamed of being called a liberal or a reality check with the socialist label, I am not insulted when you associate me with the right wing label. For some reason you liberals seem to think that "far right, right wing and Tea party" are a slur. I consider it a compliment, thanks.

I am not going anywhere with the slavery issue. The person that associated Democrats with slaves apparently doesn't think that nothing has changed in 150+ years. Those Democrats that support racial segregation prior to 1960 civil rights laws are now Republicans. Is there any doubt that is the case now?

I am not ashamed of anything. I know what I am. The labels of liberal or socialist are put on people to demean them. That might fly here in the Villages, but in the real world being a liberal or a progressive isn't the same as being a socialist. They are just words anyway.

Originally Posted by Guest

You insist on telling me that I am threatening on leaving the country for some reason. The only troll on here that has suggested this, is you. Australia was mentioned (by me as an alternative socialist country) the last time you suggested that I might want to leave the country. No one has threatened to leave, but for some unknown reason you seem to be running with it. They have medication for that ailment you seem to be prone to.
I have never been interested in the president's hair. Sybil, perhaps one of your personalities wants to comment on the color of his ties also?
If what you say is true regarding Trump's head size then I suppose my TV is adjusted just fine. After all, the screen already had to be large enough to accommodate Obie's big ears..

Do you recall what you write? Or the second that you write it, it leaves your brain. How many times have people here called Clinton and Sanders socialist? Have you ever disputed this? In your mind, they are socialists. They both have a very real chance of becoming president in the very near future.

Trump, and Cruz are leading in the Republican primary. If either of these is the nominee, they might not get support from the own party. You think that independents like me are going to flock to these people? There is medication for that, and very strong medication.

If it is Clinton or Sanders against Cruz or Trump, I will be voting for Donald Duck. Is it a wasted vote? Yes, it is. It will be the same as the waste of time it will be for the next four years, if one of these four gets elected.

Keep calling people names. Childish behavior requires a childish response. Here is my childish response. I am rubber. You are glue. Everything that you say about me bounces off me, and sticks to you. I think calling yourself a troll may be a little harsh, but that is only me. I am a liberal so I feel sorry for the little people.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am not going anywhere with the slavery issue. The person that associated Democrats with slaves apparently doesn't think that nothing has changed in 150+ years. Those Democrats that support racial segregation prior to 1960 civil rights laws are now Republicans. Is there any doubt that is the case now?

I am not ashamed of anything. I know what I am. The labels of liberal or socialist are put on people to demean them. That might fly here in the Villages, but in the real world being a liberal or a progressive isn't the same as being a socialist. They are just words anyway.

As Pontius Politicus rinses his hands and reaches for a towel!

Originally Posted by Guest

Do you recall what you write? Or the second that you write it, it leaves your brain. How many times have people here called Clinton and Sanders socialist? Have you ever disputed this? In your mind, they are socialists. They both have a very real chance of becoming president in the very near future.

Trump, and Cruz are leading in the Republican primary. If either of these is the nominee, they might not get support from the own party. You think that independents like me are going to flock to these people? There is medication for that, and very strong medication.

If it is Clinton or Sanders against Cruz or Trump, I will be voting for Donald Duck. Is it a wasted vote? Yes, it is. It will be the same as the waste of time it will be for the next four years, if one of these four gets elected.

Keep calling people names. Childish behavior requires a childish response. Here is my childish response. I am rubber. You are glue. Everything that you say about me bounces off me, and sticks to you. I think calling yourself a troll may be a little harsh, but that is only me. I am a liberal so I feel sorry for the little people.

I find it absolutely astounding that you do not realize that Sanders IS a socialist and during their first debate, Hillary was trying to out-socialize him. The reason we call you socialists is because you ARE socialists and we just want to remind you of that fact. EVERYTHING you espouse defines socialism. Everything that has been pushed in at least the last seven years, is socialism. Calling today's Democrats socialists or liberals is no different from you calling Republicans, conservatives. I don't consider being called a conservative to be a slur. And when you attempt to call us Tea Party (or worst) as a slur, I consider it to be a compliment. Even though, I am not a member.
And I give little credibility to those that attempt to hide under the guise of being an Independent. Most of the time, they are just too embarrassed or ashamed to admit that they are Democrat/liberals, hiding in the closet. Just like my brother that is registered as an Independent and has never voted for anyone but Republicans. He is a Republican that won't admit it.
I have no fear right now that Hilary or Sanders will be elected. Sanders can only get the young vote, IF he can get them to turn out to vote. He will get NO votes in the South. Hillary is lower in the polls than Sanders and is losing credibility every day, and is obviously in a panic. She has lowered herself to admit that she can not do it without her husband and daughter. That has to be humiliating for her. And after this election, we will never have to worry about her again.
Yes, Hillary and Sanders are equally socialists, even if only one of them admits it. When asked, Hillary didn't even know the difference between a Democrat and a socialist. The head of the DNC, Debbie Whatshername was asked twice, on different occasions and still wasn't able to respond. So, you go ahead and tell me why you think that the Democrat party has not morphed into the Socialist party.....other than name.
If you think that being called a liberal or socialist is a slur, many others consider it a descriptor. I wonder if Hillary will be offended at being called a criminal after she is indicted. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and ........then maybe it IS a duck.
If you back Sanders, then you are a socialist. If you back Hillary, you are liberal. IMO they are both socialists. I've seen your Democrat label on a bumper sticker. It was an old one.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am not going anywhere with the slavery issue. The person that associated Democrats with slaves apparently doesn't think that nothing has changed in 150+ years. Those Democrats that support racial segregation prior to 1960 civil rights laws are now Republicans. Is there any doubt that is the case now?

I am not ashamed of anything. I know what I am. The labels of liberal or socialist are put on people to demean them. That might fly here in the Villages, but in the real world being a liberal or a progressive isn't the same as being a socialist. They are just words anyway.

You might want to check out the history on the equal rights amendments. You can stomp your feet all you wish and deny your party's history, trying to call the original KKK Republicans, etc, but you are only fooling yourself.

Here's something to think about:

The Democrats:

Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well-known for having been a “Kleagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene “Bull” Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox “brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
Democrat President Bill Clinton’s mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

If you find anything wrong with this list, feel free to correct me. I'm just responding to your comment regarding the Republicans being against minorities. I really don't care that much about the distant past and think that the slavery issue is beaten to death anyway. I had nothing to do with it, nor did my parents or grandparents. As a matter of fact, my family are immigrants that came over AFTER the civil war. I am taking no responsibility for you-all's minority problem.

Originally Posted by Guest

You might want to check out the history on the equal rights amendments. You can stomp your feet all you wish and deny your party's history, trying to call the original KKK Republicans, etc, but you are only fooling yourself.

Here's something to think about:

The Democrats:

Democrats fought to expand slavery while Republicans fought to end it.
Democrats passed those discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery.
Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery.
Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision.
Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers.
Democrats fought against anti-lynching laws.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, is well-known for having been a “Kleagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.
Democrat Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia, personally filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 14 straight hours to keep it from passage.
Democrats passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil right laws enacted by Republicans.
Democrats declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than vote for a Republican, because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks.
Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, reintroduced segregation throughout the federal government immediately upon taking office in 1913.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black, Democrat of Alabama.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s choice for vice president in 1944 was Harry Truman, who had joined the Ku Klux Klan in Kansas City in 1922.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt resisted Republican efforts to pass a federal law against lynching.
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed integration of the armed forces.
Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd were the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson.
Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
Democrat public safety commissioner Eugene “Bull” Connor, in Birmingham, Ala., unleashed vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators.
Democrats were who Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and the other protesters were fighting.
Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox “brandished an ax hammer to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant.
Democrat Governor George Wallace stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963, declaring there would be segregation forever.
Democrat Arkansas Governor Faubus tried to prevent desegregation of Little Rock public schools.
Democrat Senator John F. Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI.
Democrat President Bill Clinton’s mentor was U.S. Senator J. William Fulbright, an Arkansas Democrat and a supporter of racial segregation.
Democrat President Bill Clinton interned for J. William Fulbright in 1966-67.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright signed the Southern Manifesto opposing the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education decision.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright joined with the Dixiecrats in filibustering the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1964.
Democrat Senator J. William Fulbright voted against the 1965 Voting Rights Act.
Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration.

If you find anything wrong with this list, feel free to correct me. I'm just responding to your comment regarding the Republicans being against minorities. I really don't care that much about the distant past and think that the slavery issue is beaten to death anyway. I had nothing to do with it, nor did my parents or grandparents. As a matter of fact, my family are immigrants that came over AFTER the civil war. I am taking no responsibility for you-all's minority problem.

So let me get this right, all the minorities are republicans. lol

Originally Posted by Guest

So let me get this right, all the minorities are republicans. lol

Where did you get that from? If you are really that dense, then you really shouldn't be operating a computer by yourself.

Originally Posted by Guest

Where did you get that from? If you are really that dense, then you really shouldn't be operating a computer by yourself.

Is that the best you can do? lol