Originally Posted by Guest

So, you feel that we do NOT have a problem with illegal aliens? I looked at your link to PEW and see millions of illegal aliens. Do you not consider that to be a problem?

It is a problem that can be corrected without deporting them all. There was a bill that passed the Senate, and never voted on in the House. That bill would have gone a long way to correct the problem. Hard line Republicans made sure that the immigration problem will never go away.

If you don't want to give them a path to citizenship, that is perfectly acceptable. So, they pay a fine, and back taxes. What is the problem? "W" and Obama aren't making a big effort to go after the illegals that have not broken the law, since they have been here. The next president will do the same, when they find out, if they already don't know, the cost in deporting large numbers of illegals.

Making sure that they don't vote is nothing but political noise. The same noise that the RNC put out with the "we have to reach out o minorities nonsense".

There was a line in the 1998 movie Bulworth that said that minorities can't believe a damn word Democrats, and Republicans have to say. What was true in 1998 is really true now.

The answer is to arrest and prosecute any employer that hires an illegal alien. No jobs, and they will go home. After all, all our big companies are opening up in Mexico.

But, I will go with a big wall, and deportation for anyone caught by the police for breaking the law, even traffic violations.

Originally Posted by Guest

The answer is to arrest and prosecute any employer that hires an illegal alien. No jobs, and they will go home. After all, all our big companies are opening up in Mexico.

But, I will go with a big wall, and deportation for anyone caught by the police for breaking the law, even traffic violations.

The problem with that is no one wants to do their jibs. Alabama tried what you are suggesting. The farmers suffered, and really bitched about the new laws. The cure was worse that the disease.

Originally Posted by Guest

The problem with that is no one wants to do their jibs. Alabama tried what you are suggesting. The farmers suffered, and really bitched about the new laws. The cure was worse that the disease.

So the farmers have to pay a little more for labor. It's about time that parents quit giving their kids everything and let them work for their cars and dates, like we did growing up. Kids today will not take low paying jobs as long as their parents spoil them.

Originally Posted by Guest

So the farmers have to pay a little more for labor. It's about time that parents quit giving their kids everything and let them work for their cars and dates, like we did growing up. Kids today will not take low paying jobs as long as their parents spoil them.

Pay who? People don't want these jobs in the farms. It goes why beyond farm jobs. Here is one of many articles on the Alabama law. http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/a...ticle-1.981461

Originally Posted by Guest

You are operating without a clue. If there were an estimated 11 million plus in 2007, and there is an estimated 11 million plus a little now, how the hell did the number remain constant? Self deportation! Take a look at the number of illegals that have been deported under Obama. I have no doubt that you won't, so you can retain the misguided belief that Obama hasn't deported anyone.

Again it's all about how you count. And what numbers you want produce. Nobody knows how many come in every day. There no rotating counter counting them. It there was I sure the government would fudge them for their political agenda. There is no way in H€€€ the numbers was more in 2007 with the open door policy catch and release.

I seen the fed. Machine in action, bean counters ( high level management) count for good appraisals, cash awards. Number fudging is tool for promotion's.

Hmmmmnnnn. They are here illegally.
They cross the border anywhere along the TX-Mexico line.
They cross at all times of the day; more than likely at night.
Etc.

Just exactly where is it that these folks are counted?

How about the ones who did the above over the past 7.5 years (the Obama open border years).....and have been here....also not counted.....having children probably not counted......

So maybe those who throw around the number of 11 million, just exactly how did they come up with that number?
Why does it not get larger each year?

Those who report the number of illegals are the same folks who on less busy days measure passing clouds to report the cloud accumulation over select area of the world!!

Originally Posted by Guest

Hmmmmnnnn. They are here illegally.
They cross the border anywhere along the TX-Mexico line.
They cross at all times of the day; more than likely at night.
Etc.

Just exactly where is it that these folks are counted?

How about the ones who did the above over the past 7.5 years (the Obama open border years).....and have been here....also not counted.....having children probably not counted......

So maybe those who throw around the number of 11 million, just exactly how did they come up with that number?
Why does it not get larger each year?

Those who report the number of illegals are the same folks who on less busy days measure passing clouds to report the cloud accumulation over select area of the world!!

What world do you live in? Certainly not this one! Back up your nonsense with actual numbers. Obama exceeds 2 million mark in deportations

If you don't like that, then goggle "how many people has Obama deported".

Why doesn't the number get larger? Duh! He is deporting more than are crossing the border. It's amazing how that works. It doesn't work in the Republican world, because they exist in an alternate universe. That universe blames Obama for everything. When facts don't support their argue, then just ignore the facts. It is that simple.

According to CIS.org approx 46% of deportees are return offenders. That is ONLY counting the ones that are arrested for committing a crime. Obama's policy is to only deport criminals. So, if you round that up to 50% because not all returnees get caught, then even with the benefit of doubt, only one million were technically removed. So, an estimated 700,000 enter the U.S. every year then eight years of Obama equals 5 million 600K minus the one million(2 mil minus 50%) that were deported. So, during Obama's watch, we have 4.5 million more illegals in our country.

We won't get into how many other presidents have allowed to cross the border. However, we have had three presidents that have rounded up illegals and bused them across the border.

Originally Posted by Guest

What world do you live in? Certainly not this one! Back up your nonsense with actual numbers. Obama exceeds 2 million mark in deportations

If you don't like that, then goggle "how many people has Obama deported".

Why doesn't the number get larger? Duh! He is deporting more than are crossing the border. It's amazing how that works. It doesn't work in the Republican world, because they exist in an alternate universe. That universe blames Obama for everything. When facts don't support their argue, then just ignore the facts. It is that simple.

The bad thing about being only equiped with party talking points, one has to somehow make them fit the subject at hand. No matter how far off the mark, no matter it has nothing to do with the subject. No matter just because their job is to go after ANYBODY opposed to their agenda.

I will offer some help for the benefit of helping some to focus:

The subject is OUT OF CONTROL ILLEGAL ENTRIES. Do all the plus and minus hokus pokus you want. The question (more help) is who/how is the count of those who are here (and more help) after all the plus and minus shaking of the bag.

But this string was about Obama trying to keep them in the country so they could vote Democratic......

So lets go back to that and take one state who is fixated on no illegals voting.

The Secretary of State in Kansas is prosecuting 3 people for voter fraud, none of them appear to be illegal, to me. But here is the link:

The 3 People Being Prosecuted For Voter Fraud In Kansas | ThinkProgress

Now Kansas has a requirement for proof of citizenship and this is whats happening:

Kris Kobach sued over proof of citizenship requirement for voters | MSNBC

These laws are intended to suppress the vote! It is me or do they only show up in
RED STATEI wonder why that is?

Originally Posted by Guest

The bad thing about being only equiped with party talking points, one has to somehow make them fit the subject at hand. No matter how far off the mark, no matter it has nothing to do with the subject. No matter just because their job is to go after ANYBODY opposed to their agenda.

I will offer some help for the benefit of helping some to focus:

The subject is OUT OF CONTROL ILLEGAL ENTRIES. Do all the plus and minus hokus pokus you want. The question (more help) is who/how is the count of those who are here (and more help) after all the plus and minus shaking of the bag.

Out of control by who's standard? The candidates that are pushing it for political gain! It isn't out of control for anyone that has their eyes wide open.

Originally Posted by Guest

Out of control by who's standard? The candidates that are pushing it for political gain! It isn't out of control for anyone that has their eyes wide open.

You are delusional! Out of control means - not in control. We, as a country, are not able to control the number of illegal immigrants entering the United States. So, yes Illegal immigration IS out of control.

Originally Posted by Guest

But this string was about Obama trying to keep them in the country so they could vote Democratic......

So lets go back to that and take one state who is fixated on no illegals voting.

The Secretary of State in Kansas is prosecuting 3 people for voter fraud, none of them appear to be illegal, to me. But here is the link:

The 3 People Being Prosecuted For Voter Fraud In Kansas | ThinkProgress

Now Kansas has a requirement for proof of citizenship and this is whats happening:

Kris Kobach sued over proof of citizenship requirement for voters | MSNBC

These laws are intended to suppress the vote! It is me or do they only show up in
RED STATEI wonder why that is?

According to the constitution, you MUST be a U.S. citizen to vote. Therefore, how does one tell if the person voting is a citizen? You have to have a means to do it, otherwise the state is in violation. So, some form of ID is REQUIRED in order to make sure that the voter is in fact a citizen. If a court orders a state to allow voting without an ID presented, then it will be violating the constitution requirement of proof of citizenship.

Originally Posted by Guest

According to the constitution, you MUST be a U.S. citizen to vote. Therefore, how does one tell if the person voting is a citizen? You have to have a means to do it, otherwise the state is in violation. So, some form of ID is REQUIRED in order to make sure that the voter is in fact a citizen. If a court orders a state to allow voting without an ID presented, then it will be violating the constitution requirement of proof of citizenship.

Actually the Supreme Court of the United States thinks otherwise in a 7-2 decision.

SCOTUS: States Can't Require Proof of Citizenship to Vote Using Federal Form - Breitbart