Originally Posted by Guest

Actually you are absolutely wrong about ACORN and their involvement in voter fraud. To commit voter fraud you have to ACTUALLY VOTE! Acorn was paying people to get people to sign up to vote. But do to a highly edited uncover sting operation by James O'Keefe.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...rn-pimp/160485

After investigation ACORN was cleared of any wrong doing but the Republican myth lives on! Who looks stupid now?

I will look at Heritage stuff if you provide it! I am as narrow minded as you!

The link was in the post that you replied to.
ACORN cleared...ha,ha,ha.....right.

Originally Posted by Guest

Why don't you provide some links that prove there is NO fraud? Are you an idiot or impaired that you did not comprehend that there is hardly any way of detecting voter fraud without first proving that someone is a legitimate voter? By the way, remember ACORN? There is one example of voter fraud. YOU look it up. That's just one example.

You are saying that you want to prove that a drunk drove home from the bar the night before, the next morning right? You want to prove that I was speeding on my down Rt95, a week after I arrived at my home? That is what you are saying.

I am not going to read through this 130+ pages, but it might be interesting reading. You probably won't accept anything from heritage.org.

http://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/20...Merged-3-2.pdf

I looked at Heritage and the link you provided. The Heritage case was from 2008 in Ohio which predicted there would be fraud but I could not find a followup which proved it actually happened. Can you find one about that?

The other one was 1 guy who voted in a different district to help a relative in a state house election. Not a massive voter fraud to say the least.

The other link was over many years and states which seem to deal with absentee ballots and voting in the wrong district. I didn't see anything that changed a US House, Senate or Presidential race. But I did notice there were no cases of voter fraud in Kansas the state that has the new citizenship requirement but is causing citizens from registering.

Originally Posted by Guest

I looked at Heritage and the link you provided. The Heritage case was from 2008 in Ohio which predicted there would be fraud but I could not find a followup which proved it actually happened. Can you find one about that?

The other one was 1 guy who voted in a different district to help a relative in a state house election. Not a massive voter fraud to say the least.

The other link was over many years and states which seem to deal with absentee ballots and voting in the wrong district. I didn't see anything that changed a US House, Senate or Presidential race. But I did notice there were no cases of voter fraud in Kansas the state that has the new citizenship requirement but is causing citizens from registering.

You're kidding, right? A citizenship requirement, which is a constitutional requirement, is keeping citizens from registering? That is absolutely asinine Without using Huffington Post as your reference, prove that this legal requirement has kept anyone from voting. Just provide some links and I'll look them up. You are so good at that requirement, so I am sure you can provide proof other than hearsay. You are so ridiculous. That's like saying that requiring a drivers license is keeping people from driving.

Originally Posted by Guest

BS! Again, you are lying. Are you trying to convince me that minorities are stupid, and lazy? Are you telling me that minorities do not have a birth certificate, no ID, etc? If you believe that, then you are an idiot. I was a cop back in the 70's and never arrested one person that didn't have an ID available, either on him or at home. You are just spreading unfounded lies because you are afraid that we might be right in our supposition that there might be illegal voting practices going on that many do not know of. Even if there isn't, then the idea of voter ID is not unreasonable. When you register to vote, you have to check the box that certifies that you are a U.S. citizen. Proof should be required at the same time. PERIOD.

Another libtard shouting RACISM when they lose an argument.

Well, I see starting every post with an insult has left your game plan yet. Why all of a sudden is voter fraud such a big deal? Republicans can't win the minority vote, so they are doing everything possible to make sure that minorities can't vote. Racism! You are damn right that it is. You want to run away from it go ahead, because it fits you.

Why is it that only Republican controlled states are instituting tough voter id laws? What was acceptable in the past is not acceptable now. Why?

How do you run away from the speaker of the Penn. House comment, we just gave Penn. to Romney, after Penn. passed voter id laws that was directed at inner city minorities in that state?

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, I see starting every post with an insult has left your game plan yet. Why all of a sudden is voter fraud such a big deal? Republicans can't win the minority vote, so they are doing everything possible to make sure that minorities can't vote. Racism! You are damn right that it is. You want to run away from it go ahead, because it fits you.

Why is it that only Republican controlled states are instituting tough voter id laws? What was acceptable in the past is not acceptable now. Why?

How do you run away from the speaker of the Penn. House comment, we just gave Penn. to Romney, after Penn. passed voter id laws that was directed at inner city minorities in that state?

What are you liberals afraid of? If you are a citizen, you have nothing to fear. Simple as that. Why that becomes racist is only something that a liberal can fabricate. How many blacks or Hispanics are running for office in the Democrat/socialist party?

Let's face it, if you can't win a argument, you shout racism. You have yet to give a reason for not enforcing the Constitutional requirement of being a citizen to vote. Do you not believe in the Constitution? Do you not believe in the law? Please provide some proof that this requirement will prevent anyone from voting. I have never met anyone that did not have an ID of some sort. Birth certificates are easily obtained if lost. You have to have one in order to obtain a drivers license.

So, give me one solid, substantial reason that requiring proof of citizenship is being unreasonable. If so, I suggest that you get the Constitution amended.

Originally Posted by Guest

What are you liberals afraid of? If you are a citizen, you have nothing to fear. Simple as that. Why that becomes racist is only something that a liberal can fabricate. How many blacks or Hispanics are running for office in the Democrat/socialist party?

Let's face it, if you can't win a argument, you shout racism. You have yet to give a reason for not enforcing the Constitutional requirement of being a citizen to vote. Do you not believe in the Constitution? Do you not believe in the law? Please provide some proof that this requirement will prevent anyone from voting. I have never met anyone that did not have an ID of some sort. Birth certificates are easily obtained if lost. You have to have one in order to obtain a drivers license.

So, give me one solid, substantial reason that requiring proof of citizenship is being unreasonable. If so, I suggest that you get the Constitution amended.

The proof of citizenship to vote is one of the powers left for the States. There are currently 13 states that require NO proof of citizenship. It is up to those states to develop whatever changes they desire. At this time, they do not desire changes. Some of those states have a Democratic governor and some have a Republican governor.

Originally Posted by Guest

What are you liberals afraid of? If you are a citizen, you have nothing to fear. Simple as that. Why that becomes racist is only something that a liberal can fabricate. How many blacks or Hispanics are running for office in the Democrat/socialist party?

Let's face it, if you can't win a argument, you shout racism. You have yet to give a reason for not enforcing the Constitutional requirement of being a citizen to vote. Do you not believe in the Constitution? Do you not believe in the law? Please provide some proof that this requirement will prevent anyone from voting. I have never met anyone that did not have an ID of some sort. Birth certificates are easily obtained if lost. You have to have one in order to obtain a drivers license.

So, give me one solid, substantial reason that requiring proof of citizenship is being unreasonable. If so, I suggest that you get the Constitution amended.

All of a sudden the Constitution popped up, when Republicans knew that they couldn't win election without a reasonable percentage of minority votes, and they were not going to make any attempt to get them. So, you do the next best thing make it hard for them to vote. I am going to take it upon myself to get the Constitution changed, so what was acceptable in the past is acceptable now. I have that power. I will have a meeting with McConnell, and Ryan. They will see that it is me asking, and they will do a 180 degree turn, and everything will return to the past. They will beg my forgiveness for their misguided attempt to change the rules of voting.

Give me one solid and substantial reason that items that proved your citizenship before are not acceptable now. Did the Founders have to show their drivers licenses to obtain a picture voter id?

For heavens sakes, Obama produced his birth certificate. Did that stop the birthers, including a very rich one, from questioning his citizenship? All they had to do was look at his color, and his name and they knew that he was an illegal. Hell, he wasn't president for two months, and people were yelling "give us our country back".

Some people are saying that his birth certificate isn't real, but not me. So, I just thought I would just spend millions to check.

Some people say that Ted Cruz isn't a natural born citizens, not me. So, I think I will sue before the Democrats do.

Some people say that Rubio can't run for president, because of his parents not me. I will just have to check.

Some people say that the world is flat, not me. I will just have to check.

And that who is leading the Republican party for nomination to be our president.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to live in the inner city? I don't. I get the impression that you think that it is real easy. It is heaven on earth.

Take a look at these estimated numbers from government agencies.
Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org

Illegal immigration increased by over 3 million under "W". It has gone down around 300 thousand under Obama. There is a breakdown of the jobs that illegals are taking.

Was there any push for picture voter ids under "W". No, because "W" did well with the minorities. He spoke their language.

If you don't think that the new picture voters id laws are making it harder for minorities to vote, you aren't looking. The last thing that you want to look at is what information is required, where the location is that this information has to be produced, and what hours the locations are in operation.

Originally Posted by Guest

The link was in the post that you replied to.
ACORN cleared...ha,ha,ha.....right.

So you didn't read the link

So here is a different one....

ACORN Accusations

It was not VOTER FRAUD! Let's look at O'Keefe he has a criminal record

ACORN filmmaker James O

Keep drinking the FAUX NEWS KoolAide

The question is a very simple one.
Why is it a problem to have to show proof of voter registration and identity at a polling place?

I have never voted in an election where it was not required.

So please a simple answer....why is it seen as a problem by some?

Originally Posted by Guest

The question is a very simple one.
Why is it a problem to have to show proof of voter registration and identity at a polling place?

I have never voted in an election where it was not required.

So please a simple answer....why is it seen as a problem by some?

To make it as simple as possible, its NOT that they have to show an ID its about the regulations surrounding an ID the state will accept.

Hope this helps.....

Originally Posted by Guest

To make it as simple as possible, its NOT that they have to show an ID its about the regulations surrounding an ID the state will accept.

Hope this helps.....

Oh! You mean they might not qualify. So! I get it now. Keep the system loosey goosey.... No id therefore anybody's and everybody can vote, valid or not.

No enforcement at work again. A complimentary benefit to illegal immigration......open borders......no enforcement........let em vote.

Now I get it.

BS! No ID no vote.

A photo ID will only have an effect on Democrat voters. That is what the liberal on here is saying. ONLY Dem's have a hard time getting the proper ID, therefore it must be racial. So, Dem's think that minorities are slow and stupid and have more difficulty obtaining a voter registration than non-minorities. Dems are racists for thinking like that, and minorities must laugh at them for being so naive. Dem's have run out of logical reasons for not wanting to uphold the Constitutional law requiring citizenship to vote. They have tried to rely on racial bias for way too long. Now, it appears that they are attempting to hide something illegal.

I have yet to have one liberal provide proof that requiring a valid photo ID is a hardship, or that it would disenfranchise anyone from voting.

Originally Posted by Guest

Oh! You mean they might not qualify. So! I get it now. Keep the system loosey goosey.... No id therefore anybody's and everybody can vote, valid or not.

No enforcement at work again. A complimentary benefit to illegal immigration......open borders......no enforcement........let em vote.

Now I get it.

BS! No ID no vote.

That is NOT what I said! I am not opposed to a photo id. But let's look at what has been happening.

Many of the states that are pushing STRICT voter ID laws were covered under the voting rights section 4.

With Voting Rights Act Out, States Push Voter ID Laws | FRONTLINE | PBS

This is what Alabama did:

Alabama now requires a Photo ID.....then they closed 45 of 49 DMV offices which are the only places you can get an ID.

ALABAMA: State Prepares To Close 45 Of 49 DMV Offices, Shutting Out Poor Despite Strict Voter ID Law - Joe.My.God.

After the backlash...

Alabama Will Reopen Closed DMV Offices in Black Counties

Now lets look at what happens with women voters

This women was denied registration because she couldn't prove the M for her middle name was short for Miller her maiden name. But after the backlash a solution. How many other women has this happened to?

NC DMV says it messed up by rejecting 86-year-old woman seeking voter ID | News & Observer

And in Texas what happened to a snowbird...I can relate to that

Texas woman threatened with jail after applying for voter ID | MSNBC

Women historically change their name when they marry so this happens

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...law-women-vote

But I believe the courts have struck down parts of this.

Hopefully now you will understand..... I showed my license when I voted in Colorado and when I voted in Florida after I moved here 2 years ago.

Originally Posted by Guest

A photo ID will only have an effect on Democrat voters. That is what the liberal on here is saying. ONLY Dem's have a hard time getting the proper ID, therefore it must be racial. So, Dem's think that minorities are slow and stupid and have more difficulty obtaining a voter registration than non-minorities. Dems are racists for thinking like that, and minorities must laugh at them for being so naive. Dem's have run out of logical reasons for not wanting to uphold the Constitutional law requiring citizenship to vote. They have tried to rely on racial bias for way too long. Now, it appears that they are attempting to hide something illegal.

I have yet to have one liberal provide proof that requiring a valid photo ID is a hardship, or that it would disenfranchise anyone from voting.

Actually I was talking about women......

She

This woman couldn't register because of her middle initial which was changed when she married. How many woman change there names in life as opposed to men. You can't see that problem?

Originally Posted by Guest

Actually I was talking about women......

She

This woman couldn't register because of her middle initial which was changed when she married. How many woman change there names in life as opposed to men. You can't see that problem?

The question should be not "Can you see the problem or rather will you acknowledge the problem?"