Originally Posted by Don Baldwin

I learned a LOT about religion and deities, when I wondered "why don't I get what everyone else does"? I learned...they've been snookered...for 10%.

There are a LOT of "God's Laws" they don't follow. Their "Bible" has been picked over, rewritten, books deleted...until it became a shell of the "original". They believe that the books of Matthew and John are "original" written by the original apostles. The Protestants were protesting...

The trouble is...they get their information fro fellow believers and they never get to hear opposing views. Like here when I talk about minorities...they have their preconceived beliefs and they won't hear ANYTHING contradictory.



If you know the answer...you don't have a question. And you THINK you have an answer with a "God"...you couldn't be more wrong.



You MUST know the trees to know the forest. For the forest is nothing if not a collection of individual trees.

So you are a racist AND an atheist? Great combo. I bet you make your mama proud..

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Originally Posted by Guest

If you're not a Christian, why are you here yakking about it?

If it's not your bag, why don't you just shut up about it and go away?

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And I should shut up that America is being overrun by minorities too?

Something being fake...a lie...is the reason to talk about it.

Why do I bother...

Originally Posted by Guest

So you are a racist AND an atheist? Great combo. I bet you make your mama proud..

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She is... And so is "your God". He gave us free thought for a reason...and IF he's really omnipotent...he's NOT concerned with what I'm thinking/doing. He SHOULD be proud of us for thinking outside the box. Aren't you proud when your kid does something novel that works? "We're all his children" so he should be proud too.

Or...are we dealing with the "mean" God? The first one...the OT God.

Originally Posted by Guest

And I should shut up that America is being overrun by minorities too?

Something being fake...a lie...is the reason to talk about it.

Why do I bother...

Religion is not politics.

What other people think about Christianity --- what is it to you?


If you don't like it, you can mind your own business.

Originally Posted by Bog99

Religion is not politics.

What other people think about Christianity --- what is it to you?


If you don't like it, you can mind your own business.

Amen brother! I couldn't agree more!!

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Originally Posted by Guest

Oh no.... not YOU again.

You just hate it when I continually provide the right answers but not the answers you hoped.

There is a movement on in America where more and more people are returning to the word of God because they have seen what secularism offers and it is not enough.

Personal Best Regards:

Our country was founded as “one nation under God,” and recognized worldwide as a Christian nation of high moral integrity and prosperity. But, following World War II, there ensued a strong movement especially noted in the sixties to disassociate all public and government-sponsored initiatives from God (hence, secularism). On a more material front, the trials of the Great Depression and the War resulted in a national trend toward utility over beauty. Industrialization fueled this further by promoting standardization and lower costs over uniqueness and beauty. The pursuit of quality was replaced by the pursuit of quantity. Consumerism displaced notions of restraint and replaced them with a lust to have more, and the “shop till you drop” mentality. Garages across America turned from places to preserve and maintain automobiles into storehouses for unneeded junk. Greater value was given to cheap disposable items than to that which was enduring and beautiful.

Essentially too many Americans kneel at the floor of consumerism their god. Its why Christmas has no special meaning any longer nor Easter.

It simply means too many Americans know the price of everything but the value of nothing. the intrinsic beauty of person places and things is lost on too many. Those that still adhere to it will understand this post.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Bog99

Are there any Christians in The Villages?

Not many. Most move outside after they get brainwashed by a nearby church...too much sin in TV for them to stay right with god.



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Originally Posted by Guest

Religion is not politics.

What other people think about Christianity --- what is it to you?


If you don't like it, you can mind your own business.

Religion is ALL politics. That's why I first posted you should know the history of your religion. Martin Luther was protesting against the politics of the Catholic church, and if you are currently a Protest - ant, that's why. Politics. The abortion debate is all politics. The gay debate is all politics. Separation of church and state is politics.

Originally Posted by Guest

Our country was founded as “one nation under God,” and recognized worldwide as a Christian nation of high moral integrity and prosperity. But, following World War II, there ensued a strong movement especially noted in the sixties to disassociate all public and government-sponsored initiatives from God (hence, secularism). On a more material front, the trials of the Great Depression and the War resulted in a national trend toward utility over beauty. Industrialization fueled this further by promoting standardization and lower costs over uniqueness and beauty. The pursuit of quality was replaced by the pursuit of quantity. Consumerism displaced notions of restraint and replaced them with a lust to have more, and the “shop till you drop” mentality. Garages across America turned from places to preserve and maintain automobiles into storehouses for unneeded junk. Greater value was given to cheap disposable items than to that which was enduring and beautiful.

Essentially too many Americans kneel at the floor of consumerism their god. Its why Christmas has no special meaning any longer nor Easter.

It simply means too many Americans know the price of everything but the value of nothing. the intrinsic beauty of person places and things is lost on too many. Those that still adhere to it will understand this post.

Personal Best Regards:

"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

For those who offer the premise "...there aren't many left...":

Of all religious groups, Christian population size remains largest | Pew Research Center

It is fine to offer and have an opinion. It is not fine to present it as an official general statement.

Remember the case of looking at the world through a straw?
When looking at the side of an elephant the observer was quick to point out the world has turned gray!!

Originally Posted by Guest

"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

Thank you. It is amazing how many people believe it has been around for ever. It was invented by some religious nuts in the 1950,s.

Originally Posted by Guest

"One Nation Under God" replaced our ORIGINAL MOTTO "E Pluribus Unum" in 1957 during the Cold War. This is the crux of the entire discussion, politics and religion. Did you get that "information" from your pastor?

Quit getting your history from your pastor and read a history book. This country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. The words "God" and "Christianity" appear NOWHERE in the Constitution. "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."--John Adams, 2nd President of the United States. Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” I could go on for pages of quotes. Your pastor has a POLITICAL agenda to promote the erroneous idea that this is a "Christian" nation. It most assuredly IS NOT.

Whether you are a believer or not is up to you and GOD. But to tell others that they do NOT believe or that they are NOT Christians, is just a ridiculous statement to make, since you do not know. It is your opinion.
Yes, this country was founded by believers whether you wish to believe it or not. ALL 50 state constitutions mention GOD at least once with over 200 times total.

Please remember that GOD is also mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

There is 68 references to God in U.S. code.

"On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, it called on President George Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

It is wrong to suggest that this country was not founded by Christian believers, giving all the glory to GOD.

Originally Posted by Guest

Whether you are a believer or not is up to you and GOD. But to tell others that they do NOT believe or that they are NOT Christians, is just a ridiculous statement to make, since you do not know. It is your opinion.
Yes, this country was founded by believers whether you wish to believe it or not. ALL 50 state constitutions mention GOD at least once with over 200 times total.

Please remember that GOD is also mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

There is 68 references to God in U.S. code.

"On the day that Congress finished its work on the First Amendment, it called on President George Washington to issue a Proclamation to the people of the United States to thank God for the freedoms we enjoy. A week and a day later the President's opening paragraph in his Proclamation said: "Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor . . ."

It is wrong to suggest that this country was not founded by Christian believers, giving all the glory to GOD.

You seem to conflate "God" with "Christianity". So apparently you believe only Christians believe in God?

Originally Posted by Guest

You seem to conflate "God" with "Christianity". So apparently you believe only Christians believe in God?

The genius of the Declaration is the inclusive way the divine is given expression. The appellations of God are generic. All can regard their rights as unalienable, their liberty as inviolable.