Originally Posted by MOCPD

Their decision will be overturned. The Ninth has the highest rate of decisions overturned or reversed of all the courts. Theirs is 80% reversed.

Keep spreading misinformation...and I'll keep making you look ignorant.

united states - Has the 9th Circuit Court been overturned 80% of the time? - Skeptics Stack Exchange

No. 0.12% of cases ruled on by the 9th circuit were overturned. 99.85% of cases were not heard by the Supreme Court. 0.03% of cases were confirmed by the Supreme Court.

In 99.88% of cases, the Supreme Court either wasn't brought in, chose not to take the case or approved of the 9th circuit's rulings.

This is from the data found by DavePhD.

The total number of cases decided by the 9th circuit court of appeals was 114,199.

Of that number, 107 were reversed, 33 were vacated, and 35 affirmed by the Supreme Court.

A total of 0.15% of 9th circuit cases were heard by the Supreme Court

Of those cases, 80% were overturned (reversed or vacated). This is the "Reversal Rate" and is the number they are using.

The quote omits the fact that the "Reversal Rate", as understood by lawyers, does not include cases that weren't reviewed by the Supreme Court.

Let me repeat.

The SCOTUS typically only looks at cases that might be overturned to begin with.

And we don't even know yet...whether the SCOTUS will even take this case.

The fact that The Supremes only took .15% of the Ninth Circuits rulings to look at, means that 99.85% of the Ninth Circuit cases...they didn't think were worth reviewing (potential reversals).

You're welcome.


I'm just glad that Giuliani opened his ignorant trap and stated....that this WAS meant to be a general Muslim ban.

Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Originally Posted by Guest

He has a case, and none of this would have happened if he wasn't taking advice from reactionaries.

He either needs to pull this back, reword it and try again or he will be out of luck.

If he wants to secure our country, he could have and still can, but here we go with his ego where it is my way or the highway.

It is interesting that I had that same view, my way or the highway, about Obama.

As a leader, NO LEADER COULD OR SHOULD ever say gee if, I do this or should I do that or?????????

At the point that a policy is decided on it is, it must be MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.

Originally Posted by SueSickie

Trump will not be out of luck. If, we discover that Trump was right-correct-WE-the American people will be out of luck.

My sister, far more liberal than I am, used to go to all the gatherings for every liberal cause. Her daughters car was rear-ended by an illegal alien driving with no license and no insurance. My niece's arm looks like a horror movie and it is virtually useless. You should hear my sisters current view on illegal aliens.

Step out of OBAMALAND into the real world.

It sounds like your sister is as dumb as you are.

Or are you even smart enough to understand that there are multitudes of actual American citizens (a whole bunch being right-wingnuts)...driving around without licenses/insurance also?

Your example is as stupid as someone being hit by a so-called Christian...then saying ALL Christians are horrible drivers.

Originally Posted by Guest

Trump will not be out of luck. If, we discover that Trump was right-correct-WE-the American people will be out of luck.

My sister, far more liberal than I am, used to go to all the gatherings for every liberal cause. Her daughters car was rear-ended by an illegal alien driving with no license and no insurance. My niece's arm looks like a horror movie and it is virtually useless. You should hear my sisters current view on illegal aliens.

Step out of OBAMALAND into the real world.

Sorry about your nieces arm but bad things happen to good people all the time. Plenty of Americans drive around uninsured so your argument falls on deaf ears, undocumented aliens are not to blame for everything. We would be better off and safer if Trump would move to Scotland! Oh wait they HATE HIM TOO!!!!! Watch this weeks episode of Samantha Bee she's nothing if not accurate.

Originally Posted by Guest

Keep spreading misinformation...and I'll keep making you look ignorant.

united states - Has the 9th Circuit Court been overturned 80% of the time? - Skeptics Stack Exchange


Let me repeat.

The SCOTUS typically only looks at cases that might be overturned to begin with.

And we don't even know yet...whether the SCOTUS will even take this case.

The fact that The Supremes only took .15% of the Ninth Circuits rulings to look at, means that 99.85% of the Ninth Circuit cases...they didn't think were worth reviewing (potential reversals).

You're welcome.


I'm just glad that Giuliani opened his ignorant trap and stated....that this WAS meant to be a general Muslim ban. :thumnup:

Deepest Sincere Wishes:

And yet...YOU...REFUSE to accept the FACT that minorities ARE destroying this country. That we've fallen from #1 to #25 BECAUSE of the lowered standards and quotas afforded to women/minorities.

You REFUSE to accept the FACT that minorities ARE the MAJORITY below the age of 7 and at the current rate of THEIR population growth...WILL BE the controlling majority withing 30 years.

You REFUSE to accept the FACT that the 11+ millions of illegals AT ANY ONE TIME...dropped 10s of millions of anchor babies who are now having their own kids and it is therefore a mathematical certainty that the "White America" of our times...will be history...within 30 years.

Why? Why can you see through the lies on ONE SIDE...yet FAIL to see the lies from the OTHER side?

Originally Posted by Guest

Sorry about your nieces arm but bad things happen to good people all the time. Plenty of Americans drive around uninsured so your argument falls on deaf ears, undocumented aliens are not to blame for everything. We would be better off and safer if Trump would move to Scotland! Oh wait they HATE HIM TOO!!!!! Watch this weeks episode of Samantha Bee she's nothing if not accurate.

No...not everything...most of the rest of the problems are caused by their anchor babies and blacks.

Originally Posted by Guest

1. The President did not have to mention any religion...he did.

2. He picked countries that do not, and have not been involved in any terrorist attacks.

3. He ignored countries that do and have presented threats.

4. The wording and execution was disasterous.

My opinion....this is a test balloon...how much can I get away with.

If he really wanted to protect the country, he would have perhaps issued executive order to increase vetting....problem is they can find nothing wrong with current vetting.

he is playing a game of fear and "the sky is falling"

Cannot accept the thing about making us safe

Sorry, but those are all talking points the Democratic Party sent out. Why do progressives love to parrot there party? Try using some logic and think for yourself!

Originally Posted by Guest

Sorry, but those are all talking points the Democratic Party sent out. Why do progressives love to parrot there party? Try using some logic and think for yourself!

Sorry, you are incorrect, but I suspect you knew that with your post.

Most importantly, instead of hit an run, how about you addressing what is incorrect

These are countries that were chosen by the Obama administration. It would not have made any difference which countries were chosen, the anti-American lefty court would have gone against Trump without even reading the documentation. And they will continue to do so, in an attempt to undermine anything that Trump does, like the traitors they are. But, Trump will get his way eventually. If this makes them feel good to put Americans in harms way, so be it. That is typical of the left to NOT care about fellow Americans. It's all about their (Soros) ideology. The left does not even know that an Anti-America, hater wishes to destroy America and is using his money to do so. He failed to get Hillary elected, but he did a very good job of damaging us with the use of his tool, Obama.

Originally Posted by Guest

These are countries that were chosen by the Obama administration. It would not have made any difference which countries were chosen, the anti-American lefty court would have gone against Trump without even reading the documentation. And they will continue to do so, in an attempt to undermine anything that Trump does, like the traitors they are. But, Trump will get his way eventually. If this makes them feel good to put Americans in harms way, so be it. That is typical of the left to NOT care about fellow Americans. It's all about their (Soros) ideology. The left does not even know that an Anti-America, hater wishes to destroy America and is using his money to do so. He failed to get Hillary elected, but he did a very good job of damaging us with the use of his tool, Obama.

C'mon, you can do it, just spit it out......YOU LOST!


Deepest Sincere Wishes:

Originally Posted by Guest

C'mon, you can do it, just spit it out......YOU LOST!


Deepest Sincere Wishes:

OK, you lost. I guess you enjoy being cast as a loser. Did they give you a participation award when you voted?

Countries and the numbers of people who were eventually convicted of terror crimes:

Somalia: 20
Yemen: 19
Iraq: 19
Syria: 7
Iran: 4
Libya: 2
Since 9/11, 72 people coming from the seven countries named in President Donald Trump's executive order have been convicted on terrorism charges.
17 of those who have been convicted claimed to be refugees, while three came into the United States as students. Twenty-five more eventually became American citizens

How accurate are these numbers? I'll let the so-called lefty experts do the research. Although, with Pelugosi still thinking that Bush is president and Waters thinking that Putin is invading N.Korea, I wouldn't put much stock in the left being any more accurate.

Gee...did you know???

1. In 1968, Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed
by a Muslim male extremist.

2. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics,
athletes were kidnapped and massacred
by Muslim male extremists.

3. In 1979, the US Embassy
in Iran was taken over
by Muslim male extremists.

4. During the 1980's a number of Americans
were kidnapped in Lebanon
by Muslim male extremists.

5. In 1983, the US Marine barracks
in Beirut were blown up
by Muslim male extremists.

6. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked
and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered
and thrown overboard in his wheelchair
by Muslim male extremists.

7. In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens ,
and a US Navy diver trying to rescue
passengers was murdered
by Muslim male extremists.

8. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed
by Muslim male extremists.

9. In 1993, the World Trade Center
was bombed the first time
by Muslim male extremists.

10. In 1998, the US Embassies in Kenya and
Tanzania were bombed by Muslim male extremists.

11. On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked;
two were used as missiles to take down
the World Trade Centers and of the
remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon
and the other was diverted and crashed
by the passengers. Thousands of people
were killed by Muslim male extremists.

12. In 2002, the United States
fought a war in Afghanistan
against Muslim male extremists.

13. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl
was kidnapped and murdered by---
you guessed it---Muslim male extremists.

No, I really don't
see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you? So, to ensure
we Americans never offend anyone, particularly fanatics intent
on killing us, airport security screeners will no longer be
allowed to profile certain people...
Absolutely No Profiling!

They must conduct random searches of
80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, secret agents who are members of the President's security detail, 85-year old Congressmen with metal hips, and Medal of Honor recipient and former Governor Joe Foss, but leave Muslim Males alone lest they be guilty of profiling.

Have the American People
completely lost their Minds,
or just their Power of Reason???

Let's send this to as many people as we
can so that the stupid judges that want to thwart common sense, feel ashamed of themselves -- if they have any such sense.

As the writer of the award
winning story 'Forrest Gump'
so aptly put it,
'Stupid Is As Stupid Does'

This is JUST the last 6 days...

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

2017.05.06 Egypt Rafah 3 0 A father and two sons are found beheaded a few days after being kidnapped by the Islamic State.
2017.05.06 Egypt al-Arish 1 0 A Coptic minority is shot to death by radical Muslims at a barber shop.
2017.05.04 Nigeria Konduga 5 6 Two Shahid suicide bombers murder five others, including a young girl.
2017.05.03 Iraq Mosul 1 12 Islamic terrorists fire a missile into a high school, killing one student.
2017.05.03 Pakistan Rahim Yar Khan 1 0 A 63-year-old Ahmadi religious minority is brutally gunned down by Sunni radicals.
2017.05.03 Afghanistan Kabul 8 25 Eight civilians are torn limb from limb by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2017.05.02 Iraq Mosul 1 1 A child is vaporized by an Islamic State projectile.
2017.05.02 Iraq Mosul 9 0 A suspected Shiite suicide bomber blows up nine Sunni militants.
2017.05.02 Pakistan Nishtar 2 0 A married couple is shot to death by conservative Muslims in the name of 'honor'.
2017.05.02 Egypt Yamit 1 3 A woman is murdered during a home invasion by Islamic State members.
2017.05.02 Syria Rajim Salibi 46 34 A 3-month-old baby is among forty-six refugees proudly massacred by Islamic State suicide bombers.
2017.05.02 Iraq Anbar 10 6 Islamists with machine-guns slaughter ten Iraqis point-blank.
2017.05.02 Iraq Kirkuk 2 0 An oil company executive and his driver are assassinated by sharia advocates.
2017.05.02 Mali Nampala 9 4 A Jihadist attack leaves nine others dead.
2017.05.02 Iraq Samarra 2 3 Two Shiites are blown up by a Sunni suicide bomber.
2017.05.01 Egypt Cairo 3 5 Islamic extremists open fire on a group of police, killing three.
2017.05.01 India Kulgam 7 0 Hizbul Mujhadeen slaughter five police and two bank employees.
2017.05.01 India Poonch 2 0 Pakistani terrorists kill and mutilate two border guards.
2017.05.01 Afghanistan Ghormach 5 4 Five local cops are murdered by fundamentalists.
2017.05.01 Afghanistan Chaparhar 3 0 A 9-year-old girl is among three civilians who lose their lives during an ISIS attack.
2017.05.01 Iraq Rifai 5 0 Islamic militants open fire on five young children searching for food, bringing down all five.
2017.05.01 Iraq Mosul 4 0 A family of four is exterminated by an ISIS rocket.

Surprised none of that was reported on the world news... too busy hammering Trump

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Originally Posted by Guest

Countries and the numbers of people who were eventually convicted of terror crimes:

Somalia: 20
Yemen: 19
Iraq: 19
Syria: 7
Iran: 4
Libya: 2
Since 9/11, 72 people coming from the seven countries named in President Donald Trump's executive order have been convicted on terrorism charges.
17 of those who have been convicted claimed to be refugees, while three came into the United States as students. Twenty-five more eventually became American citizens

How accurate are these numbers? I'll let the so-called lefty experts do the research. Although, with Pelugosi still thinking that Bush is president and Waters thinking that Putin is invading N.Korea, I wouldn't put much stock in the left being any more accurate.

First of all, lets discuss the origin of the "statistics" you cite....

The source was originally the "Center for Immigration Studies", and then picked up by the WH and spread.

44 of the 72 were NOT convicted on terrorism charges at all.

28 of the 72 were convicted or pled guilty of terrorism related activities, actually the greatest majority were convicted helping finance terrorism, ie. sending donations overseas.

4 of the 72 were arrested overseas and extradited.

This was delivered to the media by Stephan Miller, the senior advisor to the President, but he neglected to fill in the blanks.

So the truth is that 28 were convicted of terrorism charges. 3 were implicated in planed attacks on US soil, and 1 was convicted of planning an attack on US Soil on US citizens and it was part of a sting operation.

Somalia: 20................16
Yemen: 19..............04
Iraq: 19..................04
Syria: 7..................02
Iran: 4....................02
Libya: 2...................0

I took your list and the second number is the REAL number of folks actually convicted of terrorism.

Somalia at the top should be mentioned as the place where we just lost a Marine, and word is that more are being sent there.

Bottom line is that the numbers being bandied about are fiction and have no basis in fact. This remember is over 16 years.

Seems to me, that reviewing vetting which is being done is a good thing. BUT, it also seems to me that we should trust our White House to present facts and not twist them for political purposes.

Terrorism and Trump's Travel Ban - FactCheck.org

That number 72 was not picked up and published, thankfully, by any respected news sources, but certainly was spread around the far right wing.

Again, we should be able to TRUST the White House to supply tru information.