[SoCalGal]

Originally Posted by defrey12

This is a joke, right? This is NOT an issue last I checked.

This topic for discussion was suggested by Hank Johnson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs23CjIWMgA

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

The climate narrative says destruction ... while the climate data says advancement.

The graph on the left is NOT correct. At least in the US where crop yields have decreased recently by about 10% because of years of over-fertilizing and lack of crop rotation. The graph on the right is likely correct - world famine deaths are decreasing. But, what people don't realize is that more people on the Earth are creating more CO2 and methane pollution which is warming the planet. Every animal (including MAN) on EARTH has a HOLDING CAPACITY, which depends on their resources (food etc) within their environment. For man wars and pestilence (diseases) hold the population down after going above an optimum population.
..........Health officials in the US are worried about RSV, Norovirus, and bird flu to name a few. The treat level is high. And the threat level for wars is also high

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Admitting that there is Global Warming and increasing CO2 is a step in the right direction. To solve a problem one must FIRST admit that there IS a problem. As to why so many are moving to Florida? that can ONLY be explained as group blindness and lack of knowledge. Personally, I have LOVINGLY counselled any and all that asked on TOTV to alter their plans to locate in Florida full time to try Georgia or the Carolinas. I also, have said that they will be fine and safe from HURRICANES if the have a 2nd house to go to up north during the 5 months of maximum chances of HURRICANES. last summer the Gulf and the Atlantic Ocean were at record temperatures, which are the engine that creates the recent KILLER HURRICANES. So I warn about summer in Florida. People ARE moving to Florida at too high a rate. Then they complain about not enough Doctors and too much road traffic. I tend to complain about them - too many people for the available resources. Notice that homes for sale are at INFLATED prices. Next summers HURRICANES could knock down many homes and make lots available at lower prices. The insurance companies know what I am saying is correct. That's why they are LEAVING Florida. The people just are NOT taking those HINTS.

Leaving FL? Florida is the fastest growing state. One reason is global cooling.

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The graph on the left is NOT correct. At least in the US where crop yields have decreased recently by about 10% because of years of over-fertilizing and lack of crop rotation. The graph on the right is likely correct - world famine deaths are decreasing. But, what people don't realize is that more people on the Earth are creating more CO2 and methane pollution which is warming the planet. Every animal (including MAN) on EARTH has a HOLDING CAPACITY, which depends on their resources (food etc) within their environment. For man wars and pestilence (diseases) hold the population down after going above an optimum population.
..........Health officials in the US are worried about RSV, Norovirus, and bird flu to name a few. The treat level is high. And the threat level for wars is also high

Graph is NOT correct? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...d-and-land-use

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

What is SAD to the MAX is that in destroying the planet we are SLOWLY destroying ourselves.
Why are so many (and so many older Villagers) willing to take that chance??????????

Because, imo, they figure their time is short and they don't want anyone rocking their comfy little remaining lifeboat. In other words, pure selfishness. To hell with the future. To hell with everyone else. "I got mine, and I don’t give a flying fig about anyone else."
That's what I think. Sad, isn't it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by sounding

Leaving FL? Florida is the fastest growing state. One reason is global cooling.

Foolishness, I say, I say. (But you know that.)

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Leaving FL? Florida is the fastest growing state. One reason is global cooling.

The INSURANCE COMPANIES are leaving Florida. They are the smart people. The people moving here that are planning on staying year around are in for a surprise when the summer HEAT and HURRICANES wears on them.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Graph is NOT correct? https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/i...d-and-land-use

The graph that can be clicked on is showing what I have been SAYING. Notice that after 2005 the cereal YIELD begins to LAG the cereal production. Thanks for illustrating my comments so well.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The graph that can be clicked on is showing what I have been SAYING. Notice that after 2005 the cereal YIELD begins to LAG the cereal production. Thanks for illustrating my comments so well.

Love it! 👍👍👍

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Because, imo, they figure their time is short and they don't want anyone rocking their comfy little remaining lifeboat. In other words, pure selfishness. To hell with the future. To hell with everyone else. "I got mine, and I don’t give a flying fig about anyone else."
That's what I think. Sad, isn't it.

Yes SAD AND IT SHOWS A willingness of an older generation to selfishly NOT consider the lives of the generations behind them. That is why ANY government should put TERM LIMITS on their representatives. Otherwise, the ancient older generation takes control and is MORE likely to start conflicts. It is said that the YOUNGER generation fights the wars that the OLDER generation starts.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes SAD AND IT SHOWS A willingness of an older generation to selfishly NOT consider the lives of the generations behind them. That is why ANY government should put TERM LIMITS on their representatives. Otherwise, the ancient older generation takes control and is MORE likely to start conflicts. It is said that the YOUNGER generation fights the wars that the OLDER generation starts.

Old protest song had the line, "you're old enough to kill, but not for voting". A reality check for many at the time.
As for the future, in my opinion, each generation has a responsibility to to protect and prepare for the next, and future, generations of our species. Paving a better path to the future means looking ahead, dealing with past mistakes, cleaning up our messes and leaving a better, cleaner, safer, more habitable and desirable planet than we inherited. Every generation is supposed to be smarter and more forward thinking. Not everyone agrees, apparently.

[jimkerr]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

A person can only AVOID science for so long.

Remember when they told us to get our vaccines because of science? Yeah that turned out well.

[Bassdeer]

Let's see, Plymouth Rock sits on the edge of the sea. Over 400 years and still above water.

[Blueblaze]

If overpopulation changes the environment, obviously, the only solution is a catastrophe that wipes out half of humanity, right? Waitaminit ... so the solution to surviving "Climate Change" is suicide?

Or here's another idea... we could use our brains to devise solutions.

Like we did when we quit burning coal because we discovered you could get the same energy from a 2' hole in the ground without all the soot -- and got plastics, chemistry, and modern world in the bargain. Or when we decided we didn't like choking on smog so we built cars that quit wasting half the gasoline we put into them, and invented the catalytic converter.

I lived in California when you could barely see across the street some days, and the desert valleys were perpetually full of gray smog. That's all gone now, even with twice the people. And even though we had droughts every year and 50mph Santa Ana winds 50 years ago, LA never burned to the ground. Maybe that's because 50 years ago they had twice the firemen per capita, and the city fathers weren't stupid enough to empty the reservoirs just in time for fire season.

The solution to the population problem is capitalism. When people get wealthy, they start thinking about other forms of entertainment and quit making kids. The only place in the world that has ever actually reduced its "carbon footprint" is AMERICA. We did it with natural gas, while we played around with toy windmills. Because we're rich.

The solution to climate change is technology. Just like when we threw another log on the fire to survive the last ice age, we will use technology to deal with whatever the climate throws at us this time, too, regardless of what caused it.

We just need to quit whining about how we wish things were and start dealing with how things actually are -- like grownups used to do.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jimkerr

Remember when they told us to get our vaccines because of science? Yeah that turned out well.

Not sure what the point is here. Because all my life I have gotten all the shots that were available in the Air Force or in civilian life. It is only recently that it has become popular to SUSPECT vaccines. And what I SUSPECT is that Russian bots have a lot to do with NOT WANTING Americans to be healthy while finding ways to divide them. When I went to public schools I knew that my classmates were not carrying deadly diseases into my classroom. Today kids do NOT HAVE that guarantee. Talk about devolution!