[ThirdOfFive]

Has anyone reading this thread seen even ONE argument for or against, that they haven't seen probably hundreds of times before? I sure haven't. Not surprising, I guess. This game of Dueling Numbers convinces no one.

As Mark Twain once observed; there are three kinds of untruths: "lies, damned lies, and statistics". Statistics are the worst, because people can make them say anything they want them to say.

For myself, I'll continue to live my life the way I always have, enjoying my toys and the ability to play with them unhindered, and will vote for people who tend toward common sense rather than hysteria. Still possible (for the present, anyway) in America.

[rustyp]

Any tee times available this afternoon ?

[JMintzer]

"Oh, I used to be disgusted
And now I try to be amused
But since their wings have got rusted
You know, the angels wanna wear my red shoes..."


- Elvis Costello

[Jim1mack]

The media is our worst enemy for all the points you make. We stopped watching the nightly news years ago and have never watched any of those entertainment shows that claim to report the news. We still stay informed but without all the hyperbolly. It’s refreshing.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

The coral reefs are at an all time high over the past 37 years -- thanks to increasing CO2 and global warming. They need CO2 to grow their protective reefs. Corals were much more diverse when the the climate was warmer with higher CO2 levels. Plus they love warm water -- which is why they live mostly along the equator.

Corals in coral reefs (like all creatures, even humans) have a temperature range that they can exist in. Those temperatures have been exceeded this summer (this past July is officially the hottest worldwide on record) on both land and ocean. 90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years. And it WILL get worse as the climate scientists are predicting, at least, 7 years of increasing planet warming.
Veteran reef divers today come out of the water crying because of the dead, bleached coral. This is caused by excess CO2 in the ocean and in the upper atmosphere, which is caused by the increased earth's population needing ICE vehicles to move around using fossil fuels. Also, vehicles used in agriculture and industry.
One small recent fact that is appropriate to this discussion is that Orlando has for the 1st time recorded temps of 98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th. Global warming increased SLOWLY after Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it. Now today, it IS HERE right in Orlando like staring into the barrel of a robber's gun - it is THAT obvious. Many will pretend that the robber does not exist. Just go outside today and walk or jog around the block in the afternoon - notice that you will come back with severe sweating. Just being outside today here is considered medically dangerous. 20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO. That intuitively tells you that Global Warming has increased in recent years. And next summer will be worse and so on. The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Attacking the person is a favorite tool of climate alarmists, which is not how science works. Science is based on data - not rhetoric. Here's the data. Notice there is no coral growing in the flaming hot polar oceans. They love warm water and CO2.

Corals might "LOVE" warm water, but they may NOT love excessively HOT water (which is killing them). People would like a hot tub with 104 deg F water in it. But, they will NOT like to jump into a hot tub at 120 deg F. As far as people go, the Police know that murders and crime increase in the summer as the cities HEAT up. Mental health problems increase with heat. Hospitals are now filled with heat stroke patients. Ask yourselves, what will it be like in 4 years as these hot summers get increasingly HOTTER?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Corals in coral reefs (like all creatures, even humans) have a temperature range that they can exist in. Those temperatures have been exceeded this summer (this past July is officially the hottest worldwide on record) on both land and ocean. 90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years. And it WILL get worse as the climate scientists are predicting, at least, 7 years of increasing planet warming.
Veteran reef divers today come out of the water crying because of the dead, bleached coral. This is caused by excess CO2 in the ocean and in the upper atmosphere, which is caused by the increased earth's population needing ICE vehicles to move around using fossil fuels. Also, vehicles used in agriculture and industry.
One small recent fact that is appropriate to this discussion is that Orlando has for the 1st time recorded temps of 98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th. Global warming increased SLOWLY after Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it. Now today, it IS HERE right in Orlando like staring into the barrel of a robber's gun - it is THAT obvious. Many will pretend that the robber does not exist. Just go outside today and walk or jog around the block in the afternoon - notice that you will come back with severe sweating. Just being outside today here is considered medically dangerous. 20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO. That intuitively tells you that Global Warming has increased in recent years. And next summer will be worse and so on. The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Amazing. One note Johnny continues on.


90 % of coral worldwide has died in a time frame of about 20 years.

Love to see proof of that claim. And I mean legitimate proof, not something from "Chicken Little the Earth is Warming monthly"


98 deg for 5 days recently, today maybe the 6th

Yes! 5 days out of the last 4 1/2 million years. Sounds like "proof" to me

Al Gore tried to make the US aware of it.

To paraphrase the Bard---"Global Warming is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing"

20 years ago do you remember the TV people warning everyone to stay hydrated and everyone carrying a water bottle.......NO.

20 years ago do you remember everyone carrying a cell phone? NO---cell phones must be causing global warming (Post hoc ergo propter hoc)

The only possible solution is a rapid trend to electric vehicles in the next 4 years.

Yep---a solution waiting for an actual problem

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Corals might "LOVE" warm water, but they may NOT love excessively HOT water (which is killing them). People would like a hot tub with 104 deg F water in it. But, they will NOT like to jump into a hot tub at 120 deg F. As far as people go, the Police know that murders and crime increase in the summer as the cities HEAT up. Mental health problems increase with heat. Hospitals are now filled with heat stroke patients. Ask yourselves, what will it be like in 4 years as these hot summers get increasingly HOTTER?

Really????

From Harvard University School of Public Health:

Hospital admissions for heat stroke declining in the U.S.

The number of hospital admissions for heat stroke has declined significantly in the United States in recent years, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published in the journal Environmental Health. In one of the largest studies of its kind, researchers examined data from more than 23 million Medicare beneficiaries in 1,916 U.S. counties.

Care to modify your claim?????

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Really????

From Harvard University School of Public Health:

Hospital admissions for heat stroke declining in the U.S.

The number of hospital admissions for heat stroke has declined significantly in the United States in recent years, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health published in the journal Environmental Health. In one of the largest studies of its kind, researchers examined data from more than 23 million Medicare beneficiaries in 1,916 U.S. counties.

Care to modify your claim?????

With climate change, health care providers should be more mindful of heat-related illness, doctors say | CNN

This is rather recent.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Any tee times available this afternoon ?

I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon. Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

With climate change, health care providers should be more mindful of heat-related illness, doctors say | CNN

This is rather recent.

Recent and from CNN

Therefore validity = ZERO

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser;2244081[B

]I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon.[/B] Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

Well, that's probably a true statement. Of course, they weren't out there last year or the year before, or 20 years ago.

So while you have posted one of your rare true statements, it proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I can tell you one thing, I see no tennis players out on the courts in the afternoons here. And very seldom do I see pickleball players in the afternoon. Which is actually smart. Would it not be nice if the village's gyms allowed tennis and pickleball players to use the A/C, which is just wasted on non-school hours and days?

I guess it depends on where you are looking.

Played 2 hrs. of singles tennis against my wife this past Wednesday, and another two hours of doubles yesterday afternoon. Golf this afternoon, tennis tomorrow morning beginning at about 11 am (singles again). And we don't play pattycake tennis, but all-out.

We have a choice. We can bellyache about the heat and stay huddled up next to the A/C OR we can enjoy what Florida summers have to offer. Drink about a pint of electrolyte solution BEFORE starting to play, drink plenty of water during play, take a short rest of 1-2 minutes during side changes, and two hours pass pretty fast. I scarcely notice the heat except that from time to time the raquet will turn in my hand if my palms get sweaty.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, that's probably a true statement. Of course, they weren't out there last year or the year before, or 20 years ago.

So while you have posted one of your rare true statements, it proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

I clearly remember around 1980 tennis courts in Florida having players during the summer afternoons. But, there is no getting around the fact that worldwide this recent JULY has the highest recorded temperatures EVER.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK, that was just one small part of my post, but maybe (?) it does need modification. I believe that I read or heard about hospitals in the Orlando area being filled with heat exhaustion and stroke victims. And also warnings from Doctors to stay hydrated. So I DID make an ASSUMPTION that since Az, NM, Texas, and much of the south and as far north as Chicago .......were in EXTREME heat and heat advisory conditions that I DID assume that hospital beds were full of patients with HEAT-related problems. Also, that our recent month of JULY has had the highest recorded temperatures.....EVER, that led me to SUSPECT that hospitals were overcrowded with heat-related problems.
I seriously doubt the statement that RECENTLY there have been fewer HEAT strokes nationwide, but I WILL try to google that question. Thank you.
Logically, it seems strange that with a greater population in the US due to recent unchecked immigration that the TOTAL number of heat strokes would NOT rise. Maybe we are talking strokes per hundred persons or something like that. But, even so the US has more recent home foreclosures due to interest rate increases - so more people are out on the street homeless. And July is a record temperature month plus more moisture in the atmosphere so the "feels like" temp will be up. So, I don't see how logically heat strokes could possibly GO DOWN !

Heat-related illnesses are on the rise - Harvard Health.

I did find this.