[frayedends]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

It destroyed my son’s last year of high school. He miraculously graduated after having basically flunked everything. Staying home screwed him up mentally. Wearing masks messed him up as well. The anger I have over what they did to kids is still going. I’m in biotech. I’ve been in biotech for 28 years. Not one person in my company save a few far left non science folks think masks do anything at all. Not one. They are scientists creating the drugs of the future. They are quality control and quality assurance people. They are regulatory affairs and contamination control folks. Everyone basically laughs at the idea of paper masks stopping a virus. Yet we messed with people’s mental wellbeing by forcing these mandates. Never again.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by frayedends

It destroyed my son’s last year of high school. He miraculously graduated after having basically flunked everything. Staying home screwed him up mentally. Wearing masks messed him up as well. The anger I have over what they did to kids is still going. I’m in biotech. I’ve been in biotech for 28 years. Not one person in my company save a few far left non science folks think masks do anything at all. Not one. They are scientists creating the drugs of the future. They are quality control and quality assurance people. They are regulatory affairs and contamination control folks. Everyone basically laughs at the idea of paper masks stopping a virus. Yet we messed with people’s mental wellbeing by forcing these mandates. Never again.

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

Depending on their research, they may be wearing paper masks----but NOT to filter out viruses---more likely particulates, and even more likely so they don't sneeze/cough/drool into whatever they are working on

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I would suggest that the “they” that did anything to kids were the adults arguing that the kids were being negatively affected. The kids learned from the adults that they should be messed up and so they were.

Not sure what company you are in but if they are involved in research, testing, or manufacturing pharmaceuticals and they do NOT wear masks the I want to avoid their products at all costs!

LOL you have taken their drugs and their vaccines. But we do not wear masks for virus prevention. We wear masks to prevent BACTERIAL contamination. During the fill finish stage (the most sterile processing step) we wear masks for bacterial contamination for about 30 minutes and we have to leave to the air lock to change the mask because as soon as it is moist it is no longer effective. For viruses we have viral clearance steps that include pH adjustment buffers and filtration. In addition we do a myriad of viral testing on the final drug product.

Technology is getting better and our drug filling machines are now in what we call "isolators". They are sterilized with vaporized H2O2 (dangerous stuff if it gets out). Any human manipulations are done from outside with the big gloves attached to the isolator (picture a filling machine in a bubble like the bubble boy). Here's an example of a company making isolator tech. Cool stuff. ISOLATION TECHNOLOGY: Isolation Solutions for aseptic fill finish lines • IMA Group

Just an FYI this is how EVERY company does it. I know what I'm talking about. Masks for viruses. Nope. So if you want to avoid the drugs from companies that do it my way, simple. You don't need to know my company. They all do it this way.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by defrey12

It’s not a lie that masks do NOTHING.

Jeez next time I'm sick as a dog like I was last week (with COVID) I'll make sure you come over to my house so I can cough in your face. Y'know - so you can take a video and prove that masks do nothing.

For everyone else - I isolated for a few days after testing positive, and called my doctor's office. They said as long as my temperature didn't go above 101 for a day or more, and I didn't experience difficulty breathing, I should just treat the symptoms and not worry about anti-virals or hospitalization. My temp topped off at 100.8 on the second-to-worst day. The worst day was the day after that, when my temp was "only" 99.8. I have a low-normal average temperature of 98.2, so 99.8 is still not good. I'm still coughing, but I don't feel like my 14-pound cat strapped herself to my chest anymore.

I was wearing a mask when I did go out - to protect OTHER people in case I needed to cough.

I was vaccinated the day that I first started noticing I had a headache. But I woke up with the headache, and didn't get vaccinated til mid-afternoon. The next day I was starting to feel sick. The day after that I tested positive.

BTW you can get 4 tests from the government again, free. If you live with another person you can get 8 total for the household.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Jeez next time I'm sick as a dog like I was last week (with COVID) I'll make sure you come over to my house so I can cough in your face. Y'know - so you can take a video and prove that masks do nothing.

You already know that's different. The paper mask will help prevent you from spreading the virus to others, but does very little to protect yourself from them.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by frayedends

My anecdotal evidence and everyone one else doing the diet. These studies like the one you linked always include people continuing to eat a carb loaded diet. But you do you. I fixed all my issues doing keto. I am doing carnivore sort of an elimination diet to figure out some other issues. I was keto when my issues disappeared in like 2 months. I’ve yet to see one person say they did keto or carnivore and had worse issues.

Pubmed sure. See who funds those studies. Usually the sugar industry. As for vegetarian diet, those folks either look deathly skinny and sick (if they stick to Whole Foods) or look morbidly obese because of carbs and sugar. ETA: the article you linked talks about blue zones. That has been shown to be total bunk based on cherry picked data.

I think we can both agree on that Whole Foods (sorry my phone capitalizes that as if they weren’t words before they were a store) with low carbs, low sugar, and low processed foods is the way to go.

those folks either look deathly skinny and sick
You mean like Novak Djokovic?
Novak Djokovic's plant-based lifestyle: The dietary secrets behind Wimbledon legend's success | Daily Mail Online

One of the foundations of the Serb's record-breaking success is his plant-based diet, which he has credited with helping to elevate his performance levels.

Whole food carbs such as sweet potatoes and beans are some of the most nutritious food choices on the planet. But yes processed carbs and sugar are bad.
Meat causes insulin insensitivity which is the precursor to diabetes. It is extremely rare for a person on a WFPB diet to have a bad A1C level.

[mickey100]

All I know is, there are people who aren't getting vaccinated, and they are going to be carriers. I hope i don't end up sitting next to them at a mah jong table or playing cards. I was sitting next to some fool at pickleball who was bragging about how he had never gotten vaccinated. Seriously? You can bet I won't be sitting next to him on a bench again either.

[NavyVet]

I got a Covid booster 2 weeks ago. The reason is if I get the virus, I would definitely want it to be a mild case versus getting seriously ill or dying. I have always been susceptible to respiratory issues. Every cold, flu, strep throat, etc. I've ever had has always turned into a bout of Bronchitis. I know the vaccine won't prevent me from catching Covid, I just don't want to be miserably sick. I had Covid once in 2021; mainly sore throat, a cough, and lost sense of smell for a week. I think I felt feverish for 1 day. Yes, I ended up with bronchitis again, but a round of antibiotics knocked that out. So, for me it is worth it. I get my flu shot every year and also had the pneumonia and shingles vax. I protect my health as best I can.
Since the pandemic first started, I have not had a cold or flu. I think the key to that is avoiding crowded public places.

Also, here are a couple of facts about Ivermectin:
Is Ivermectin Approved to Treat COVID-19?
The FDA has NOT approved ivermectin to treat or prevent the illness caused by the coronavirus.

In animals, ivermectin can help prevent heartworm disease and certain parasites.
It’s dangerous for humans to take any drug made for animals, including ivermectin. A dose meant for a big animal like a horse or cow (which can weigh 2,000 pounds or more) can be toxic for a person. Also, some of the inactive ingredients in an animal medication might not be safe for people.

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So how do you feel about it was created in lab?

You have introduced an argument that has nothing to do with the fact that Covid has killed millions compared to "Colds" and Flu as some have ignorantly compared it. You introduced this question about the lab in order to take the topic down a silly side street.

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Many people feel those who believe as you do are gullible and spreading lies. You want the shot, get it. Others do not want it, they shouldn't get it. Be kind to others, life can be very hard for all of us at times.

I haven't told you what I believe. That is what most others have done. I told you what I experienced in the REAL WORLD on the Front Lines. Your inability to see my daily experience in my detailed comment tells me you will cling to your opinion even in the face of someone holding experiential facts up to your face.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe. The usual paper masks probably did next to nothing.

There was an episode of the Netflix series "The Crown" in which smog was actually killing people in about 1953. The British government essentially declared a "mask mandate" for its citizens. In one scene, a member of the cabinet came into a meeting wearing a mask, and the prime minister told him "Take that ridiculous thing off, it does nothing---we only told the people to wear one so it looked like we were doing something about the smog"

Shutting things down probably had an indirect beneficial effect. The most effective mitigation of the pandemic prior to vaccines was social distancing of 6 feet or more---a closed venue accomplishes that, although with some overkill and deleterious economic impacts.

Hard to pin down a number of "lives saved" by these measures----after all, we have no idea of how many people died of Covid as opposed to with Covid.

I agree, especially that the social distance of 6 ft was logical and probably saved many lives.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frayedends

My anecdotal evidence and everyone one else doing the diet. These studies like the one you linked always include people continuing to eat a carb loaded diet. But you do you. I fixed all my issues doing keto. I am doing carnivore sort of an elimination diet to figure out some other issues. I was keto when my issues disappeared in like 2 months. I’ve yet to see one person say they did keto or carnivore and had worse issues.

Pubmed sure. See who funds those studies. Usually the sugar industry. As for vegetarian diet, those folks either look deathly skinny and sick (if they stick to Whole Foods) or look morbidly obese because of carbs and sugar. ETA: the article you linked talks about blue zones. That has been shown to be total bunk based on cherry picked data.

I think we can both agree on that Whole Foods (sorry my phone capitalizes that as if they weren’t words before they were a store) with low carbs, low sugar, and low processed foods is the way to go.

I believe that statistically the thinner a person is the longer they live. I would guess that it is because the heart and other organs can better do their functions.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by frayedends

You know when they started saying it's not meant to prevent you from getting Covid? After they found out it doesn't prevent you from getting Covid. I had a lot of friends lose their career over not getting a vaccine that, ultimately, was found to not prevent infection nor transmission.

Being someone with a bit of biology background, I'd also argue that it has become less virulent as a normal evolutionary trait of viruses, rather than vaccines having any effect. I know a few unvaccinated that have gotten Covid recently and their symptoms were about the same as vaccinated.

The vaccine DID accomplish its purpose to prevent the spread and severity of Covid. it was the most successful vaccine in history. Obviously, even the best is not perfect.

[bsloan1960]

Originally Posted by Whitley

Many doctors with "real world experience" as well as health departments of other countries have arrived at different conclusions concerning the shot and it's safety. In the US, health officials recommend that everyone over the age of 6 months receives the latest annual covid-19 vaccine, while the UK and other European countries are restricting it to older or vulnerable people. I would propose all reconsider their attitude and treatment of others who disagree with you.

They are in a minute minority.