[justjim]

First it's bad for you then it's okay for you! Not just the OP's subject on this Thread but many different foods and drinks. Confusing?

I think we are all different and what is good or bad for one is not so for another. My basic motto is everything in moderation. So much is in the genes.

However, it good to be informed and thanks for sharing your insight on TOTV.

[QueenBee1]

Atkins is a diet, this is not, I did this not for weight loss but for Health, The loss of weight was a bonus, I, 5 months ago started having horrible muscle aches and Joint pain, it was totally debilitating, I had heard about this Wheat Belly plan reducing inflammation so I thought what have I got to lose and tried it,
after about 2 weeks without wheat, the pain was gone, and has stayed gone along with better sleep, and feeling so much better but I understand we all have to do what works for us.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by QueenBee1

Atkins is a diet, this is not, I did this not for weight loss but for Health, The loss of weight was a bonus, I, 5 months ago started having horrible muscle aches and Joint pain, it was totally debilitating, I had heard about this Wheat Belly plan reducing inflammation so I thought what have I got to lose and tried it,
after about 2 weeks without wheat, the pain was gone, and has stayed gone along with better sleep, and feeling so much better but I understand we all have to do what works for us.

QueenBee, not trying to put down what you're doing. I purposely said Atkins regime, not diet, because I wasn't talking about losing weight. It's basically a diet free of wheat and sugar, and you mentioned you could have a lot of the types of food that keep you satisfied and not hungry all the time, which is true of Atkins too. So it sounded similar to me. My husband has followed the Atkins tenets for years and maintains a good weight and health.

Unfortunately, when I've tried it, it's caused weight gain. I'm glad it's working so well for you.

[QueenBee1]

C France, You are correct, I stand corrected, sorry about that, I think sometimes we see things that are not their LOL, Have a great day.

[CFrance]

Well, and I could have stated that more succinctly!

[Villages PL]

Atkins, Wheat Belly, and the one I mentioned in my opening post all have something in common: They are high protein, high fat and low carb, not to mention low fiber.

The main reason, as I understand it, is to break the addiction to wheat and other starches. It may be called a lifestyle if you keep doing it after you lose weight but for those who start it to lose weight, it's a diet, in my opinion. A diet suggests you are restricting something like grains/carbs/calories.

The problem I see is that what's good in the short term may not always be good in the long term. It looks like a trade-off as the immediate result is loss of weight and if you lose some weight you are bound to feel better. So people mistakenly think it's a healthy diet. But more often than not these diet/regimens appeal to those who found it difficult to lose weight because they don't like vegetables. So the gimmick with a high protein diet/regimen is: Instead of switching from grain to vegetables they switch from grain to to protein (i.e., lots meats, eggs, dairy, fats).

So, in my opinion, this high protein regimen will eventually fail. It's just going to take some time for most people to realize it. There are too many things lacking like phytochemicals that fight against cancer. And high protein diets are usually very low in fiber, the result of which may lead to the destruction of your digestive system (diverticulosis).

[QueenBee1]

I believe we all have to do what we feel is right for ourselves and what works for us, as their is always going to be a difference of opinion, and that is good!

[B767drvr]

There is very little sound science behind these [dangerous] fad diet books (Wheat Belly and Grain Brain) according to the following author:

The Smoke and Mirrors Behind Wheat Belly and Grain Brain

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Atkins, Wheat Belly, and the one I mentioned in my opening post all have something in common: They are high protein, high fat and low carb, not to mention low fiber.

The main reason, as I understand it, is to break the addiction to wheat and other starches. It may be called a lifestyle if you keep doing it after you lose weight but for those who start it to lose weight, it's a diet, in my opinion. A diet suggests you are restricting something like grains/carbs/calories.

The problem I see is that what's good in the short term may not always be good in the long term. It looks like a trade-off as the immediate result is loss of weight and if you lose some weight you are bound to feel better. So people mistakenly think it's a healthy diet. But more often than not these diet/regimens appeal to those who found it difficult to lose weight because they don't like vegetables. So the gimic with a high protein diet/regimen is: Instead of switching from grain to vegetables they switch from grain to to protein (i.e., lots meats, eggs, dairy, fats).

So, in my opinion, this high protein regimen will eventually fail. It's just going to take some time for most people to realize it. There are too many things lacking like phytochemicals that fight against cancer. And high protein diets are usually very low in fiber, the result of which may lead to the destruction of your digestive system (diverticulosis).

No true in all cases. Dr Permutter recommends large quantities of green leafy vegetables and other sources of fiber. He only suggests that, along with most grains, we eliminate very starchy vegetables such as potatoes ad carrots.

For myself, I put a heaping tablespoon of sugar free Metamucil in a large glass of water every morning and drink it followed by another large glass of water. I also eat a lot of salad and have spinach, kale, broccoli and other green vegetables with my meals.

And like I mentioned in another post, once or twice a month I let myself go and have a few beers or a pizza or some pasta.

I stopped taking a statin and at my last doctors appointment my ridiculously high blood numbers were the best they've been in the two years that I've been here. My triglycerides and cholesterol were lower than when I was taking a statin which has outrageous side effects.

Another short word on statins. First of all numerous studies have shown that there is no difference in the mortality rate of people with heart disease who are on statins or not. Secondly, they have side effects such as early dementia and diabetes.

I made a decision to stop taking them based on two things. First, even if they do work and lower my cholesterol, and even if lowering my cholesterol will prevent further heart disease, the side effect from statins may be worse than heart disease.

Secondly, my cholesterol and triglycerides are so incredibly high that taking a statin lowered them by such a small percentage that it doesn't seem worthwhile.

I'm not a doctor and don't mean to tell anyone what to do. I don't make any suggestions but simply explain what I do.

I'll leave you with one last quote. Dr Ancel Keyes, who is generally recognized as the father of the Framingham study has said, "There is no connection between cholesterol in diet and cholesterol in the blood unless you happen to be a rabbit or a chicken." This refers to the fact that in an experiment when they fed huge amounts of cholesterol to rabbits and chickens, both herbivores, their serum cholesterol increased. No study with humans has ever shown a connection to cholesterol in food and cholesterol in the blood.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

There is very little sound science behind these [dangerous] fad diet books (Wheat Belly and Grain Brain) according to the following author:

The Smoke and Mirrors Behind Wheat Belly and Grain Brain

Dr McDougal is the author of many books promoting vegetarianism. It's not exactly like he doesn't have a horse in the race here.

Yes, there are conflicting sides and there are doctors on both sides of the issue that can make a seemingly solid case for their side.

For the past fifty years or so, we have been told that a low fat, high carb diet is what we all need to stay healthy. The result has been that Americans are now fatter and less healthy than ever. What we are doing is not working. It seems to me that our mothers and grandmothers knew and took for granted that breads and pastas were fattening. Somewhere in the sixties or seventies we rejected that idea. Just look at all of the low fat foods we are consuming? Do you see Americans getting thinner? Do you know that when fat is removed from a product that it is usually replaced with some kind of sugar?

There are approximately 600,000 different processed, packaged foods sold in this country today. Eight percent of them have corn syrup as one of their top ingredients.

Corn is a huge business, as is wheat. Most of the corn produced is turned into corn syrup and corn starch and modified corn starch which is in almost everything we eat.

If we stopped eating those foods it would cause a huge financial problem in this country. Of course the people that make money from the production of these foods are going to come out in force and spend millions to try to save their industry. There is a wheat council and a corn council that are simply lobbyists for these industries. Do you think they are interested in the truth?

The fact is that sugar is addictive and Americans are addicted to sugar. Sugar is a serious addiction and it is killing us.

Eric Clapton, whose battles with drug addiction and alcoholism are well documented was once asked what was the first thing that he was addicted to. His reply was "sugar". He would eat anything with sugar in it all the time. In fact his friend George Harrison wrote a song about the dental problems that Clapton suffered as a result of this addiction. Clapton has also stated that giving up sugar was as difficult as getting free of alcohol or heroin.

The AMA and the FDA can't exactly come out and say that what they been telling us concerning diet for the past fifty years has been wrong. Imagine all the law suits from people whose relatives have died from the various diseases cause by the AMA recommended diet.

They can't come out and say that they allowed these huge companies to get all of us addicted to sugar and that is having and negative effect on our well being.

And I understand. There are thousands of conflicting books and studies out there. Who do we believe? I have doubts myself. But I will repeat this. What we've been doing for the past fifty years is not working.

[QueenBee1]

For those of us that embrace this choice, here are some facts, This is not a FAD Diet, this is a lifestyle choice, Also on this choice we eat lots and lots of Veggies, Nuts and Berries, so we get lots of Fiber, also most go off most of there meds, like Blood pressure medicine and Statins, this lifestyle for most of us is more about health than weight loss, that is just a bonus.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

No true in all cases. Dr Permutter recommends large quantities of green leafy vegetables and other sources of fiber. He only suggests that, along with most grains, we eliminate very starchy vegetables such as potatoes ad carrots.

Sounds like "Grain Brain" may be the better of the two books. Although there may be something worthwhile to be learned from every book, I don't think I will finish reading "Wheat Belly". There's just too much about it that I object to. No doubt it may be good for someone with celiac or IBS but I don't see it as good for the average person. I'll start reading "Brain Grain" and see how it goes. Not that I'm looking for a new lifestyle but I just want to see what different authors are talking about.

For myself, I put a heaping tablespoon of sugar free Metamucil in a large glass of water every morning and drink it followed by another large glass of water. I also eat a lot of salad and have spinach, kale, broccoli and other green vegetables with my meals.

Thankfully, I don't have a problem with constipation. Most days I have 2 BMs. But I eat a tremendous amount of fruit and vegetables. Also I have measured amounts of beans/lentils, split peas, walnuts, almonds, Ezikiel bread, steel-cut oats, whole grain pasta, whole grain rice, barley and olive oil. The measured amounts for grain: One serving or less with each of 3 meals. Nuts: about 1 servings per day. Olive oil: Two teaspoons per day (one with salad for lunch and one with vegetable soup for dinner). Beans: about 1/2 cup with lunch and 1/2 cup with dinner. It all adds up to a lot of good nutrition and fiber. I don't eat white potatoes or anything made with flour.

And like I mentioned in another post, once or twice a month I let myself go and have a few beers or a pizza or some pasta.

I can't do any of that. I would tend to overdo it and my stomach would feel awful.

I'll leave you with one last quote. Dr Ancel Keyes, who is generally recognized as the father of the Framingham study has said, "There is no connection between cholesterol in diet and cholesterol in the blood unless you happen to be a rabbit or a chicken." This refers to the fact that in an experiment when they fed huge amounts of cholesterol to rabbits and chickens, both herbivores, their serum cholesterol increased. No study with humans has ever shown a connection to cholesterol in food and cholesterol in the blood.

That may be true for those who have an ample supply of cholesterol receptors in their body. They can eat a lot of cholesterol and it gets processed fast. So it doesn't build up in their blood. But Dr. Dean Ornish says there are those who are not so lucky. They have too few cholesterol receptors and cholesterol can build up to a high level.

If a person's liver is producing too much cholesterol it probably won't help much to cut back on dietary cholesterol. A person can have high cholesterol if they suffer from chronic stress. So it's not always clear what's going on. However, if a person has high cholesterol, it certainly won't hurt to try lowering it with diet. I wouldn't automatically believe a doctor who says diet doesn't make any difference. Especially if the doctor favors a high protein, high fat diet.

I never had high cholesterol but when I changed to a vegan diet back in 2006, my cholesterol went down over a period of a year. If you try it don't expect quick results. For some reason it takes time. Give it at least a year.

[Shimpy]

[QUOTE=Dr Winston O Boogie jr;883721]
For the past fifty years or so, we have been told that a low fat, high carb diet is what we all need to stay healthy. The result has been that Americans are now fatter and less healthy than ever. /QUOTE]


So....why not a low fat, LOW carb diet?

[rubicon]

The WSJ (author Nina Teicholz) published an article on this report. the abridged version is that Dr. Ancel Keys 1950's studies on saturated fats affect on our heart's health were greatly flawed. The WSJ summed it up by saying 'personal ambition, bad science,politics and bias derailed nutrition policy over the past half century." For instance Keys ended up landing a key spot on the nutrition committee of the American Heart Association. Note Nina Teicholz has been researching dietary fat and nutrition fro over 10 years.

In addition another study found that people over 65 need more protein and found eating more meat etc is needed.

When it comes to diet we are all different. A Harvard Study some years ago posit that there are three types when it comes to issue of fat excretors , compensators and storers and that it is the latter group that has a problem with saturate fat.

[Shimpy]

Where's Jimbo? We haven't heard from him for awhile. Healthy eating is his favorite topic.