[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

Where's Jimbo? We haven't heard from him for awhile. Healthy eating is his favorite topic.

I think he's traveling. I remember he is a fan of the Wheat Belly book.

[NotGolfer]

I agree..."IF" looking at these only to lose weight they're a diet. BUT that said, most of the folks I'm acquainted with (myself included) have health issues. There is such a thing as "gluten sensitivity"....gluten "is" in everything...some of it hidden and some not. There is a disease called celiac, which is very serious and life-threatening as well, if not treated. Too many folks aren't well-informed re: these two. This is a dialogue that doesn't bear well in a forum such as this as it's complicated. Do some research on both, add into this research into thyroid health and also leaky gut. We could go on and on. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water....examine the facts with folks' who have decided on this way of eating THEN decide. Eating protein, low carbs isn't necessarily bad for good health. My way of thinking is shop the perimeter of the store and forget the middle aisles. Many folks don't think they can do this...nor do they want to as it's "change".

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I think he's traveling. I remember he is a fan of the Wheat Belly book.

He always quotes "Forks over Knifes" also.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The WSJ (author Nina Teicholz) published an article on this report. the abridged version is that Dr. Ancel Keys 1950's studies on saturated fats affect on our heart's health were greatly flawed. The WSJ summed it up by saying 'personal ambition, bad science,politics and bias derailed nutrition policy over the past half century." For instance Keys ended up landing a key spot on the nutrition committee of the American Heart Association. Note Nina Teicholz has been researching dietary fat and nutrition fro over 10 years.

In addition another study found that people over 65 need more protein and found eating more meat etc is needed.

When it comes to diet we are all different. A Harvard Study some years ago posit that there are three types when it comes to issue of fat excretors , compensators and storers and that it is the latter group that has a problem with saturate fat.

All of the studies that determined the lipid hypothesis were flawed. They looked at diets in something like thirty different countries to try to draw a connection between cholesterol and heart disease. The problem is that when the data didn't agree with the results they were looking for they eliminated those countries from the study.

And even beyond that, new information concludes that high cholesterol does not cause coronary problems. It's only when the cholesterol become glycated (bonded with sugar molecules) and the endothelium becomes inflamed that cholesterol particles begin to embed themselves in the artery walls.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

All of the studies that determined the lipid hypothesis were flawed. They looked at diets in something like thirty different countries to try to draw a connection between cholesterol and heart disease. The problem is that when the data didn't agree with the results they were looking for they eliminated those countries from the study.

And even beyond that, new information concludes that high cholesterol does not cause coronary problems. It's only when the cholesterol become glycated (bonded with sugar molecules) and the endothelium becomes inflamed that cholesterol particles begin to embed themselves in the artery walls.

DWOB: When Keys did the study for the Mediterranean with peasants from Crete he failed to recognize/or ignored the fact that the study was conducted during Lent when they refrained from eating meat and cheese. He also ignored/failed to factor in that these folks tolled in the fields some 12 hours a day well into their 80's.

The other question I have is if diets work why is it 8 new ones are introduced every year.

Having said that I do believe we are what we consume but just can't get away from the moderation in all things as being instructive. So moderation in eating exercising but laughter, one can not get enough of.

Personal Best Regards:

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

There is very little sound science behind these [dangerous] fad diet books (Wheat Belly and Grain Brain) according to the following author:

The Smoke and Mirrors Behind Wheat Belly and Grain Brain

Thanks for the link, I believe it provides good information.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I'll leave you with one last quote. Dr Ancel Keyes, who is generally recognized as the father of the Framingham study has said, "There is no connection between cholesterol in diet and cholesterol in the blood....." No study with humans has ever shown a connection to cholesterol in food and cholesterol in the blood.

You can do a search online to ask for a list of foods that lower cholesterol. Jean Carper has devoted a whole chapter on this subject in one of her books and I think it beats what you will find online. There are foods that lower bad cholesterol and raise good cholesterol. I don't remember them all off hand but one is olive oil and another is garlic (one clove of carlic per day).

She's a health writer and everything is backed up by studies. I'll get more information later.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by NotGolfer

I agree..."IF" looking at these only to lose weight they're a diet. BUT that said, most of the folks I'm acquainted with (myself included) have health issues. There is such a thing as "gluten sensitivity"....gluten "is" in everything...some of it hidden and some not. There is a disease called celiac, which is very serious and life-threatening as well, if not treated. Too many folks aren't well-informed re: these two. This is a dialogue that doesn't bear well in a forum such as this as it's complicated. Do some research on both, add into this research into thyroid health and also leaky gut. We could go on and on. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water....examine the facts with folks' who have decided on this way of eating THEN decide. Eating protein, low carbs isn't necessarily bad for good health. My way of thinking is shop the perimeter of the store and forget the middle aisles. Many folks don't think they can do this...nor do they want to as it's "change".

Some people may need to eliminate grain if they have celiac, IBS or whatever. But the author doesn't want you to just eliminate grain, he wants you to eat a high protein high fat diet. That's where I see a problem, especially for older people that become more susceptible to cancer as they get older.

A high protein diet is good for weight loss and for keeping weight off because it raises one's metabolism. It also promotes faster cell growth and this was acknowledged by Dr Davis, the author of Wheat Belly.. Although he didn't acknowledge it for all cells, he said it "triggers bone growth and mineralization." So he was presenting it as a good thing. The fact is animal protein triggers the growth of all cells in the body. That's why body builders eat large quantities of animal products. Animal protein also triggers the growth of muscle cells.

However, what is the implication for cancer? Animal protein, as doctor Davis has truthfully stated is very acidic. Whole books have been written on this subject and I have two of them. One was written by a nutritionist/doctor. And it has been stated that cancer thrives in an acid environment. Combine that with a faster metabolism and speeded up cell growth, and you raise your risk for cancer. That's why the author of the China Study, Dr. Campbell, states that animal protein promotes cancer.

Both Dr. Davis and Dr. Campbell see the same thing, i.e., faster cell growth and an acid environment. But Dr. Campbell comes to the right conclusion based on numerous studies and Dr. Davis just seems to ignore the possibility of cancer being a problem. Of course he does, because it doesn't fit his template. It would spoil everything to acknowledge that cancer might be a problem.

Yes, Dr. Davis mentioned that the acidity of animal protein can be balanced by eating fruits and vegetables. But did he mention that a white/red potato is highly acidic or that corn is highly acidic (corn on the cob is considered a vegetable)? Now stop to think: It's not likely that anyone can eat a high protein high fat diet and still have room for enough alkaline fruits and vegetables to get the ideal balance needed to help prevent cancer. And I sincerely doubt you can get enough natural fiber on his diet either.

Don't forget to think about the 7th Day Adventists. They are vegans and vegetarians, they enjoy good health and have an average life expectancy of 88 years. What will be the average life expectancy for those on a high protein high fat diet? Can Dr. Davis point to any large scale long-term study were his diet has succeeded for the average person? (I'm not asking about the 1 percent who suffer from celiac or IBS.)

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Don't forget to think about the 7th Day Adventists. They are vegans and vegetarians, they enjoy good health and have an average life expectancy of 88 years.

As far as I know, the Seventh Day Adventists follow the dietary rules set out in leviticus. These are the same rules set out by Orthodox Jews. They eat meat and fish. The do ban alcohol and do not ban, but frown upon caffeine.

If they only eliminate alcohol that would eliminate all premature deaths due to alcoholism. I wonder how much that would raise the average life span?

I read recently where the FDA came out with warnings about saturated fats based on faulty information and bad studies. They also push us toward trans fats because it was better for the economy. When all the facts came out about trans fats, they told us we have to eliminate them as well.

Lowering our cholesterol can lead to diabetes and premature dementia. It seems that no matter what we do we're going to die from something. It's a matter of what you feel is more of a danger.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

As far as I know, the Seventh Day Adventists follow the dietary rules set out in leviticus. These are the same rules set out by Orthodox Jews. They eat meat and fish. The do ban alcohol and do not ban, but frown upon caffeine.

If they only eliminate alcohol that would eliminate all premature deaths due to alcoholism. I wonder how much that would raise the average life span?

I read recently where the FDA came out with warnings about saturated fats based on faulty information and bad studies. They also push us toward trans fats because it was better for the economy. When all the facts came out about trans fats, they told us we have to eliminate them as well.

Lowering our cholesterol can lead to diabetes and premature dementia. It seems that no matter what we do we're going to die from something. It's a matter of what you feel is more of a danger.

Search: "Do Seventh-Day Adventists eat meat?" Answer from a Seventh-Day Adventist: The religion teaches that vegetarianism is healthier and veganism is even better. But no one is forced to do anything, it's a matter of choice. The thinking is, "....you should have a healthy body and lifestyle so you can better serve God!"

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

It seems that no matter what we do we're going to die from something. It's a matter of what you feel is more of a danger.

The biggest danger, in my opinion, is not being informed enough to know right from wrong, good from bad. When someone doesn't have enough nutrition knowledge, it leads to confusion. And when people get confused they tend to give up. The food industry does focus groups and is well aware of this. That's why they hire doctors, nutritionists and dietitians to put out information that suits their commercial perspective. And the commercial perspective, by definition, is going to be conflicting and confusing because it's not about health.

So people say, "I don't know what to believe anymore, I give up, I'm just going to eat what I like." Ka-ching!!!...$$$$$$ It means more sales of processed foods like pizza, ice cream, baked goods made with flour, sodas, chips and dips, fatty hamburgers, hotdogs, french fries etc..

[Villages PL]

[quote=Shimpy;884004]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

For the past fifty years or so, we have been told that a low fat, high carb diet is what we all need to stay healthy. The result has been that Americans are now fatter and less healthy than ever.

So....why not a low fat, LOW carb diet?

The old USDA food guide pyramid called for 8 to 11 servings of grain (bread, cereal, rice and pasta group). That took up the whole bottom section of the pyramid. That was clearly way too much.

The USDA food guide can be changed every 5 years. When it's time for change, they notify the public and anyone can recommend changes. The food industry has lobbyists that will then apply as much pressure as possible to get a favorable place or mention for their particular food, like grain.

It's mostly about promoting agriculture, not health.

Did people eat more grain because of USDA recommendations? I don't think so. Grain based products were very popular long before the USDA started making recommendations to eat more grain.

[Neal2tire]

I won't go into my medical background or health background but I can only say watch The Perfect Human Diet on netflix or amazon prime.
It changed my life and saved my life. My blood work and weight and all has shocked my Dr's here and my family back home (all cardiologists)
When asked how I did it, I simply said. Eating right. They have no idea what I meant. I have since encouraged our three grown daughters who have been sick for years with imagined Celiac disease. GONE! and their husbands who felt they were getting ill. BETTER THEN EVER
When you watch The perfect human diet. Turn off the phone and take notes.
enjoy
NG

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Neal2tire

I won't go into my medical background or health background but I can only say watch The Perfect Human Diet on netflix or amazon prime.
It changed my life and saved my life. My blood work and weight and all has shocked my Dr's here and my family back home (all cardiologists)
When asked how I did it, I simply said. Eating right. They have no idea what I meant. I have since encouraged our three grown daughters who have been sick for years with imagined Celiac disease. GONE! and their husbands who felt they were getting ill. BETTER THEN EVER
When you watch The perfect human diet. Turn off the phone and take notes.
enjoy
NG

Netflix? Amazon?

I'm already convinced that a gluten-free diet is a must for those who suffer from Celiac disease or other similar condition. I'm just not sure that it's the best diet for everyone. I read about 8 chapters of "Wheat Belly" and started the book, "Grain Brain", but I'm not very impressed by the two authors who are recommending this diet for everyone. Part of the problem is: What foods do you eat to replace grain? These two authors recommend eating more animal protein and fat. Both of these items are limited in nutrition and contain no fiber.

Anyone can go online and find out how much protein and fats are needed for their weight and activity level. Consuming beyond what's needed represents a lost oportunity to get much needed nutrients and fiber from fresh non-starchy vegetables.

Where is the science to back up the idea that a gluton-free diet is good for everyone? Also, where's the science to back up the idea that the average person should replace gluton by eating more animal protein and fat?

One of the biggest arguments against wheat consumption for the average person is that it has undergone great genetic modification. But it's never mentioned that there are grains available that haven't been modified. Another big argument is that people haven't had time to adapt to eating grain because it has only been available since the agricultural revolution. But they never apply the same reasoning to dairy products, vegetable oils, eggs, vitamin supplements, and many other products that are factory farmed and processed.