[jtdraig]

Wonder if there were really three lawsuits and people so stupid as to put their kids in with the "cute" buffalo...I mean, really, if it came time to build the homes, just say it instead of fabricating fairy tales..... :dontknow:

[SteveFromNY]

Originally Posted by jtdraig

Wonder if there were really three lawsuits and people so stupid as to put their kids in with the "cute" buffalo...I mean, really, if it came time to build the homes, just say it instead of fabricating fairy tales..... :dontknow:

The developer has been moving the buffalo around and building in their former pastures for many years. It's an integral part of the plan - not so much the buffalo but the use of areas as farmland. They removed buffalo from Buffalo Ridge and replaced them with cows. They aren't building there yet, but they will eventually!

Why would you think it's part of some plot to fool people?

[jtdraig]

The announcement that the buffalo were being removed was largely based on allegedly actual lawsuits and the threat of more lawsuits. So, the buffalo were moved, and there was much angst among the population including on this board.

If they had just said that it was time to develop this parcel of land and that the buffalo were being moved it might have been more honest and forthright. Perhaps it would have caused as much angst but it would have been more honest.

We all know that the Developer has the right to develop any of his land that he wishes to develop depending on his business plan. However, he could been more honest in his communications.

That's why.

[Sidney Lanier]

I understand the point about honesty, and in all likelihood we'll never know. And in the final analysis, does it really matter? We may miss seeing the creatures, but how important is it over the long haul?

[Peachie]

I believe you should have been in LSL area this spring when the bison were bearing calves and watched some of the actions of some of the people. My husband and I went by the corral to have a look at the new calves and after a short bit, I suggested we leave because certain people were doing the dumbest things and the potential of something happening between the buffalo and those people appeared imminent. Bison are not "stuffed" animals, they are animals and if they feel threatened or their calves are in danger, they will act accordingly. If you need a bison fix, there are a plethora of zoos in the country. That will satisfy the needed fix and zoos have the appropriate settings so unwitting people will be safe.

[The Great Fumar]

This subject has been beaten to death on here ....Whats so hard to understand about a jerk (non resident) that climbs over the fence to have his pic taken with a baby buffalo and the mama buffalo failing to see the humor in it...I don't think the Orlando Sentinel made it up......Also a big fat gal climbing up on the fence and leaning over to feed carrots to a baby and the mama rammed the fence knocking her backwards off the fence on her keester and causing a sinkhole....(OK a little stretch).. But I can surely understand why Gary Morse says enough is enough ....These are not alledged law suits , they very real ..........One is still pending, The one where Gary is suing over the SinkHole..(OK, so I made that up)
Buffalo (tatunka) are only cute on a nickel folks. Up close they STINK !!
Now give it a rest , They ain't coming back,,,Cows are safer...
If you want to take up a cause.....Try bringing back the PHILLIPS SCRAMBLE

my last word on the subject,,,,,,,,,,fumar

(I'm sure to the relief of many)

How about the HAROLD SWARTZ MEMORIAL GOLF SCRAMBLE ...

[Peachie]

Rah, Rah, Fumar! Subject closed, (at last).

[nONIE]

Lets hope so Peachie, remember Freddy Kreuger??? evil6

[Peachie]

But Nonie, Fumar closed the subject and I have great faith in his powers

[SteveFromNY]

Originally Posted by jtdraig

The announcement that the buffalo were being removed was largely based on allegedly actual lawsuits and the threat of more lawsuits. So, the buffalo were moved, and there was much angst among the population including on this board.

If they had just said that it was time to develop this parcel of land and that the buffalo were being moved it might have been more honest and forthright. Perhaps it would have caused as much angst but it would have been more honest.

We all know that the Developer has the right to develop any of his land that he wishes to develop depending on his business plan. However, he could been more honest in his communications.

That's why.

Sorry Peachie, I can't let it go. It's not the buffalo now either. It's the "oh the developer is lying to us" that I'm fired up about.......

My point is the buffalo were removed from all the public locations, not just near LSL. The buffalo were replaced with cows so the tax-dodge masquerade could continue.
The other areas where the buffalo were are not under development at this time, and are still home to cows.
There was a reasonably long period (a couple of months?) between the removal of the buffalo and the ground breaking at LSL.
I am sure the removal of all buffalo/ replacement with cows and the beginning of developing the LSL fields are 2 completely unrelated events. It's simply that one of the parcels (now with cows) is scheduled to be developed.
I may be a little thick, but I think it incredibly naive to suspect some treachery, or feel there was some dishonesty. Or feel the builder owed anyone an explanation. It's a ridiculous thought in my opinion.

I'll give up now, as I'm sure the folks who think otherwise are just as passionate as I am and truly this is a stupendous waste of my time, as is the "I hate gas golf carts harangue" and half the other :edit: out here. Bye.

[Peachie]

Oh no, Steve, you must apologize to Fumar, he is the one who closed the subject. I was merely rejoicing 1rnfl

[cabo35]

At the risk of incurring the wrath of the the Great One, I respectfully disagree with his assessment about the subject being beaten to death. As the "plot" plays out and development of the "buffalo grounds" commences, it raises many more serious questions and issues. Specifically it calls into issue the integrity and honesty of the developer and his staff. A quote from the developers staff when the the buffalo issue was peaking as presented in this forum, is disturbing.

"The suggestion that the removal of the buffalo was orchestrated to enable the land to be developed is ridiculous."

In fairness the quote concluded in essence that the developer owns the land and can do what he wants with it. That answer is honest and acceptable. However, the negative publicity brought on by the outcry about Village buffalo forced, in my opinion, a dishonest and misleading response by the developers surrogates if in fact the area is soon developed. That, for me, begs the question about what other issues the developer and his staff may not be honest and forthcoming about.

If the issue was the lawsuits, I have to believe the shear ingenuity historically demonstrated by the Morse family could have solved the problem at relatively minimal expense. An inner fence would have done the job.

The Morse family has done many wonderful things for the residents of The Villages. I am not anti-developer and have posted positive feedback in the past. I do not understand why it is necessary to mislead residents if that land is now being developed. Why all the secrecy about what is going there?

......and that Fumar, is why I take exception with the arbitrary closing of the issue. I hope you haven't fallen asleep with this multi-paragraph post. As you have pointed out in the past, I am long of tooth and have a tendency to ramble.

[Peachie]

Yes, great idea about the fence... and when the children and grandchildren go over the first fence to get to the second fence, the developer could put up another fence! Human nature would demand it.

Do you realize how many things would not be in The Villages if "everyone had their say"?

[cabo35]

Peachie...I believe you missed the whole point. The point is not the fence or the buffalo. The developer can do whatever he wants to do with his property. I am a property rights advocate. The point is using deception, developer = "The suggestion that the removal of the buffalo was orchestrated to enable the land to be developed is ridiculous, to mitigate a public relations problem with the significant number of Villagers who signed petitions, wrote letters and mounted an impressive ad hoc campaign to save the buffalo.

As I stated, if development in that area is imminent, it is suspicious and diminishes the credibility of the developer in my opinion. You of course are certainly entitled to yours and I respect that.

Yes, I believe everyone in the Villages should have their say. I went to the post office today and they're still flying "Old Glory".

Have a nice evening.

[Peachie]

I don't think I missed the point, Cabo35, you did suggest two fences as a buffalo protection solution, if a solution was wanted. I indicated I didn't think it would work.

You feel the developer should come to The Villagers and explain every move they will make, have you been reading all the objections for the project planned for that site? Every project the Morse family undertakes is second-guessed by someone, everyone has an agenda. I believe ALL of the buffalo are gone from The Villages, not just that site, because of the safety issue. Will the properties be developed yes, but if I understand you correctly, the developer should not have stated the buffalo created a safety problem. He needed to claim, that piece of property will be developed.

Unless one has witnessed the injuries those animals could have inflicted, I don't think, IMHO, we can judge the developer for removing the buffalo from The Villages entirely.