[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jayteadunn

The pipeline runs right through DeLuna and is buried in the 50 foot right of way that is also a walking path that is adjacent to my yard

Yes I was looking at an old map and that is what I gave Opus to analyse. You are talking about a current situation.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by defrey12

It's so sad that most people don't know how the world really works...yet they're the ones who scream the loudest, and then denounce all reason.

I do know it is natural gas. When I was trying to find the information the OP posted, I used the word gasoline hoping AI would correct me and give me the information I was seeking. Guess what? it worked! I received detailed information regarding the portion of expansion in the Villages. Some posters on here still believe the expansion does not include the Villages.

Sad, that some would rather denounce their neighbors instead of realizing that notifications were indeed sent to some Villagers. The OP began a thread in an atrempt help those who received the notifications. Some read the post and quickly claimed it was pure fabrication. This is what is sad!

[RoadToad]

Project - Sabal Trail Transmission

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

I DID NOT STATE THE PIPELINE WAS SOLELY FOR THE VILLAGES. A PORTION OF THE EXPANSION INCLUDES AN AREA IN THE VILLAGES.

Except that is exactly what was stated;

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

4. The new pipeline is needed due to population increase in the southern section of the Villages including Middleton

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by RoadToad

Project - Sabal Trail Transmission

Gee, that looks suspiciously similar to post #40.

Originally Posted by gobuck827

Project - Sabal Trail Transmission

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by gobuck827

Except that is exactly what was stated;

Oofta! The pipeline that will be expanded in the Villages is due to the increase in population in the southern area. Maybe if you read the entire thread before posting, you would understand. If Sabal digs up the dirt and places another pipeline, is it not NEW? If they place a new pipeline in the Southern area and not the entire Villages, is it not FOR THE POPULATION IN THE SOUTHERN AREA?

Hence, there is no error in this statement: The NEW pipeline is needed due to the increase in the SOUTHERN area including Middleton.This thread is about the addition of a pipeline IN THE VILLAGES. It is not about the entire pipeline.

[Maker]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

Oofta! The pipeline that will be expanded in the Villages is due to the increase in population in the southern area. Maybe if you read the entire thread before posting, you would understand. If Sabal digs up the dirt and places another pipeline, is it not NEW? If they place a new pipeline in the Southern area and not the entire Villages, is it not FOR THE POPULATION IN THE SOUTHERN AREA?

Hence, there is no error in this statement: The NEW pipeline is needed due to the increase in the SOUTHERN area including Middleton.This thread is about the addition of a pipeline IN THE VILLAGES. It is not about the entire pipeline.

NO NO NO
AI garbage conclusions again.
The pipeline is hundreds of miles long. It only happens to be through the Villages because it's following an established path.
Not specifically to deliver natural gas to Middleton.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by Maker

NO NO NO
AI garbage conclusions again.
The pipeline is hundreds of miles long. It only happens to be through the Villages because it's following an established path.
Not specifically to deliver natural gas to Middleton.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE ENTIRE PIPELINE. It is about notifications that were sent to homeowners IN DE LUNA, alerting them a new pipeline is being planned IN THE VILLAGES. Information regarding the entire pipeline is not what is being discussed.

Once again, the NEW pipeline that is planned in the Villages is due to the increase in population southern area, including Middleton. .

[Maker]

Originally Posted by LenoxHillLil

It took years to clean up the oil from the ExonValdeez. And here it could spread a mile! My son was part of the team assisting with grants and refinancing. We don't need that kind of mess here although the assignment was very lucrative and he was able to get his food shipped in from NY, paid for by Exon.

NO NO NO
This is NATURAL GAS, not OIL. Huge difference.
Natural gas is lighter than air. This means that in the event of a leak, it will rise and disperse into the atmosphere rather than settle on the ground.
If it does ignite, in the air, it might be a fire that could be quite big. But there is nothing to "clean up". Not another Exxon Valdeez.

[gobuck827]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

Oofta! The pipeline that will be expanded in the Villages is due to the increase in population in the southern area. Maybe if you read the entire thread before posting, you would understand. If Sabal digs up the dirt and places another pipeline, is it not NEW? If they place a new pipeline in the Southern area and not the entire Villages, is it not FOR THE POPULATION IN THE SOUTHERN AREA?

Hence, there is no error in this statement: The NEW pipeline is needed due to the increase in the SOUTHERN area including Middleton.This thread is about the addition of a pipeline IN THE VILLAGES. It is not about the entire pipeline.

OOfta!

Tell me you don't understand how natural gas distribution systems work without telling me you don't understand.

The expansion to the existing pipeline is required due to the continued increase in demand in Georgia, northern Florida, central Florida and southern Florida. While the increase in population due to the Villages expansion does add to the overall demand the amount we add is microscopic compared to the rest of the demand.

The only reason the additional pipeline is coming though the Villages is because the existing pipeline runs through the Villages. It is strictly a lowest cost analysis by the entity placing the new pipeline. It is much cheaper to route a new pipeline through existing easements and ROW's then to start from scratch. Why do you think a majority of the original pipeline used the existing easements and ROW's of the high voltage electric lines and the highways?

The gas in the existing and proposed pipeline does not directly supply any properties anywhere including the Villages. The gas in these pipelines supply power generation facilities and local gas distribution companies like TECO. The new pipeline could be located anywhere and as long as TECO could access the new route it would not matter how many new homes were built in the Villages. Once again, it is only a matter of cost why it is being routed on the existing route.

BTW, I have read the entire thread and I still find the statement in error for the reasons stated above.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by gobuck827

OOfta!

Tell me you don't understand how natural gas distribution systems work without telling me you don't understand.

The expansion to the existing pipeline is required due to the continued increase in demand in Georgia, northern Florida, central Florida and southern Florida. While the increase in population due to the Villages expansion does add to the overall demand the amount we add is microscopic compared to the rest of the demand.

The only reason the additional pipeline is coming though the Villages is because the existing pipeline runs through the Villages. It is strictly a lowest cost analysis by the entity placing the new pipeline. It is much cheaper to route a new pipeline through existing easements and ROW's then to start from scratch. Why do you think a majority of the original pipeline used the existing easements and ROW's of the high voltage electric lines and the highways?

The gas in the existing and proposed pipeline does not directly supply any properties anywhere including the Villages. The gas in these pipelines supply power generation facilities and local gas distribution companies like TECO. The new pipeline could be located anywhere and as long as TECO could access the new route it would not matter how many new homes were built in the Villages. Once again, it is only a matter of cost why it is being routed on the existing route.

BTW, I have read the entire thread and I still find the statement in error for the reasons stated above.

The information I found stated the notifications sent to the homeowners explained the reason Sabal was adding an additional pipeline was due to the increase in population in their area.

You obviously have extensive knowledge. There have been several posts on this thread that insinuate the OP is fabricating. I am trying to support the OP. Receiving a notification like this must be unsettling. Backlash on TOTV, in my opinion, is doing more harm to those who received the notifications.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by gobuck827

OOfta!

Tell me you don't understand how natural gas distribution systems work without telling me you don't understand.

The expansion to the existing pipeline is required due to the continued increase in demand in Georgia, northern Florida, central Florida and southern Florida. While the increase in population due to the Villages expansion does add to the overall demand the amount we add is microscopic compared to the rest of the demand.

...

BTW, I have read the entire thread and I still find the statement in error for the reasons stated above.

What she is trying to assert is that the pipeline through the Villages MUST be replaced because of the increase in density in homes here. A pipeline with a safety rating for a rural area is not sufficient for a suburban area. She is trying to say the expansion is actually a replacement in Sumter County.

She is wrong.

While the company MAY choose to upgrade the existing pipeline through Sumter to improve its safety rating, they will also be placing a second pipeline alongside. The second pipeline has nothing to do with the growth of the Villages.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What she is trying to assert is that the pipeline through the Villages MUST be replaced because of the increase in density in homes here. A pipeline with a safety rating for a rural area is not sufficient for a suburban area. She os trying to say the expansion is actually a replacement in Sumter County.

She is wrong.

While the company MAY choose to upgrade the existing pipeline through Sumter to improve its safety rating, they will also be placing a second pipeline alongside. The second pipeline has nothing to do with the growth of the Villages.

Actually, No! I am not trying to assert a thing. I made no posts that stated the pipeline MUST be replaced. I am simply trying to give support to the OP and others who received the notifications. My posts were opposing those that claim the OP is fabricating. Sometimes, having someone's back is more important than shoving facts down their throat giving them more reason to worry. There is a time and place for everything.

[bkcunningham1]

Project - Sabal Trail Transmission

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Where is the source material for your post? I'm seeing no reference to The Villages at all, with regards to Enbridge (Sabal Trail) forcing their way onto privately owned properties within the borders of The Villages.

I DO see one instance (which was well publicized awhile back) of one guy living in DeLuna who had a 500-gallon tank with extensive piping buried under his yard, but that was a local dispute and had nothing to do with the Sabal pipeline.

[bkcunningham1]

Project - Sabal Trail Transmission

From the company's website linked above: Project overview
The proposed project consists of two major segments*:

An “Expansion” of the existing pipeline from Alexander City, AL to Reunion, FL installing additional horsepower at new and existing compressor station facilities and constructing new pipeline along or near the existing pipeline route.

An “Extension” of the existing Sabal Trail pipeline from Alexander City, AL moving westward to connect with existing major pipelines in Mississippi. This Extension would also enable the efficient delivery of natural gas to potential customers along the pipeline route in Alabama.

Purpose and benefits
The primary objectives of this project are to:

Meet the growing energy demand driven by population growth and economic development in the regions served by the existing Sabal Trail system.
Provide firm transportation service to new high-volume customers seeking affordable and reliable natural gas supply.
Enhance overall system flexibility and reliability for all existing
customers.
Continue delivering an essential, low-emission energy source that supports energy affordability, grid stability and economic growth.

Anticipated project timeline
Project planning and public outreach are now underway. We expect to engage directly with landowners and conduct field surveys in the summer of 2026. Once survey work begins and the proposed pipeline route is refined, we will engage federal and state agencies to initiate permitting. Throughout this process, there will be numerous opportunities for the public to participate, review information and provide their input. Once all approvals are received, we plan to start construction in the second quarter of 2029.

2026
June: Initial engagement
July/August: Landowner introduction to the project and request survey permission
Q4: Landowner information meetings
2027
Continued engagement and environmental survey
Q2: Public open house engagement
2028
Q1: File application for FERC 7c and other required permits
2029
Q2: Receipt of all required permits
Construction begins
2030
Q2: First delivery of additional natural gas
2032
Potential end of project