[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

As long as the one doing the passing does not create a hazard, eg; cutting another off or almost causing a wreck, why does being passed or seeing a cart exceeding 20 mph...seem to enrage so many people?


I think maybe some self-reflection is in order.

ANY GOLF CART exceeding 20mph IS a hazard. They are not designed for that, the brakes are not designed for that. All you have to do is kiss a curb at that speed, goodbye control, you'll be laying on your side wondering what just happened. My cart goes 19.9 on the flats, maybe 20.3 down hill, then the governor kicks in and slows me right down.
Notice I didn't refer to a LSV.

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by Lottoguy

Maybe your the one who was going really slow? You might not be as good as you once were...

You may have made a good point there!

[Fredster]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

ANY GOLF CART exceeding 20mph IS a hazard. They are not designed for that, the brakes are not designed for that. All you have to do is kiss a curb at that speed, goodbye control, you'll be laying on your side wondering what just happened. My cart goes 19.9 on the flats, maybe 20.3 down hill, then the governor kicks in and slows me right down.
Notice I didn't refer to a LSV.

I don’t agree, carts go 21, 22, and 23 mph quite frequently without a huge surge in accidents.
Do you really think hitting a curb at 19.9 or 20.3 mph would be any better?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

ANY GOLF CART exceeding 20mph IS a hazard...

Any moving vehicle can be a hazard. But a golf cart going a few mph over 20 automatically a hazard? No way. The ability for a cart to go a little faster as needed can prevent potentially dangerous situations also.

[rubicon]

The ability of the OP to judge a vehicle going 30mph without the aid of radar is astonishing.

For those who have speedometers which also provide Average speed stats, etc, check you average speed.

I have been here for 11 years and this issue repeats
ad nauseam and ad infinitum. I have yet to see, read hear that a golf accident was the direct result of so called speeding.

Usually its a disabled person not able to negotiate a turn,et c. a golf cart driver DUI, a golf cart driver distracted or confused

It may be, the OP claim is not just hubris, but even if it is not, I doubt there are very many golf carts that can maintain a speed above 20mph on MMP given the congestion with other carts, bicycles and pedestrians. This topic continues to be a "nothingburger"and it is re-created every time someone gets a bee in their bonnet".

[Retiring]

Considering there are 100k+ residents and 50k carts, do we really want to make law because of a select few idiots??? Maybe having electronic speed reader boards reminding one if his speed might serve a purpose, but let’s try to not continue even further down the “big brother” slippery slope.

[Sandtrap328]

[QUOTE=ColdNoMore;1467480]As long as the one doing the passing does not create a hazard, eg; cutting another off or almost causing a wreck, why does being passed or seeing a cart exceeding 20 mph...seem to enrage so many people?
QUOTE]

Because a golf cart exceeding 20 mph is against the law if it is not Street Legal.

[dewilson58]

Posted on the Bike Police thread:

Most bikers (motorcycle & bicycle), most drivers (cars & carts) and most walkers/runners are alert,defensive and follow the laws/rules, but there are a few morons in each category.

Always has been, Always will be.

True here too.

[charmed59]

If I run across someone speeding behind me and I have lawn to my right I pull over. Once they get by me I’m nice and safe. If they are passing me I slow down so they can come back into my lane faster. Again, its much safer for me. I haven’t found speeders to be a threat. I have found folks that want to show the speeders a thing or two by hogging lanes at 17mph or speeding up when folks try to pass them to be a much bigger threat.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

On O'Dell Circle, going uphill by the rec center, this golf cart with 2 occupants in their 30's passed me at a minimum of 30 mph. I am certified in laser, radar, and vascar, and I can judge speed within 2 mph.

The time is coming to have identifying numbers of some kind, just like on a boat or on a small plate as on a m/c. How else can we stop these lunatics and their hot rod golf carts. There just isn't enough Sheriffs to get the job done.

Who do you propose would administer this "identification program?"

1. It would be very labor intensive to initially identify the vehicles, their owners, and put numbers on the carts. (Do you propose numbers on front and back, or just the back?)

2. How would you keep up with registrations on carts that were bought and sold? Again, very labor intensive.

3. Identifying an "offending cart" would not necessarily identify the offending driver. A very large percentage of carts are operated by renters of rental property. Often the property owner never even meets the renter, nor is aware of who is actually operating the cart.

4. Who would discipline the offenders? Police officers can make arrests in the case of misdemeanors only if the offense is committed in their presence.

5. I don't believe there is much popular sentiment in favor of putting identifying numbers on golf carts. But we might see some people putting numbers and racing stripes on them.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Because a golf cart exceeding 20 mph is against the law if it is not Street Legal.

I get that...I really do.

However, doing 75 mph on the turnpike or interstate is also illegal, so why don't we see any "rants" (OP's description)... for people who drive 76 mph in 70 mph zones?

I just don't get why some people take great umbrage when they get passed by a golf cart doing 21-23 mph...while they're doing 19.9 mph.

And once again, I'm only referencing the basic speed issue...not any other unsafe actions that may occur (even at 15 mph).

To me, and it's just my opinion, it's analogous to people who are more concerned about being killed by some radical religious nutcase...than by a drunk driver.

Even if they're 50 times more likely to be a victim of the latter...than the former.

It's just simply not logical to me.

[blaZen]

"Son you are gonna drive me to drinkin if you don't stop driving that hot rod Club Car."

[billethkid]

Many positive suggestions about how to make the MMP's and cart paths safer. Some involving the participation of local law enforcement.

In recent months it seems like speed traps in TV are no longer deployed.

The major north and south roadways overall speed now is easily 10 mph (and more) over the posted limits.

I have always maintained both golf cart and vehicle roadways should be manned by a special sherrif's force that strictly enforces the rules of the road. It does not matter how many it takes they are to be paid for out the fines input.

We all know what happens when one is approaching a town or community that STRICTLY enforces speed limits or like school zone where there is a police presence......EVERYBODY goes the speed limit.

Simple solution.

I look forward to the return of the speed traps to be commensurate with the return of our part time resident population.

Book 'em Danno!!

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

...doing 75 mph on the turnpike or interstate is also illegal, so why don't we see any "rants" (OP's description)... for people who drive 76 mph in 70 mph zones?

I just don't get why some people take great umbrage when they get passed by a golf cart doing 21-23 mph...while they're doing 19.9 mph.

And once again, I'm only referencing the basic speed issue...not any other unsafe actions that may occur (even at 15 mph...

Another one of those innumerable times when I totally agree with CNM!

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by rubicon

The ability of the OP to judge a vehicle going 30mph without the aid of radar is astonishing.

For those who have speedometers which also provide Average speed stats, etc, check you average speed.

I have been here for 11 years and this issue repeats
ad nauseam and ad infinitum. I have yet to see, read hear that a golf accident was the direct result of so called speeding.

Usually its a disabled person not able to negotiate a turn,et c. a golf cart driver DUI, a golf cart driver distracted or confused

It may be, the OP claim is not just hubris, but even if it is not, I doubt there are very many golf carts that can maintain a speed above 20mph on MMP given the congestion with other carts, bicycles and pedestrians. This topic continues to be a "nothingburger"and it is re-created every time someone gets a bee in their bonnet".

Really nothing astonishing about it. It takes weeks, and even months practicing before you can take the test to get certified. Once you are certified, and ONLY if you are certified, then the courts will recognize your ability to operate radar, laser (lidar) or vascar.