[Justus]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I think what you are missing is the mindset of many CCW citizens. The whole idea of being responsible for your safety and protection includes being proficient in the use of your firearm, and being aware of your surroundings, among other things. The example you give is consistent with people who assume/expect the government to provide protection for them and their loved ones, or who play the numbers game thinking this will never happen to them...until it does. In this particular case, as in most, the government shows up to do the paperwork. If you are willing to offload your responsibility for your own safety to the government, be my guest. Don't buy house insurance either. After all, what how many times has your house burned to the ground?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Justus

Why would you assume it would be in her purse...? Still, the MO of these 3 thugs proves the point that danger does exist in and around TV, and it's one's legal right to protect him/herself.

So true. And yet, most people think it will never happen to them. I hope they are right. But I don't like the odds. I am amazed at the number of Americans that don't understand the importance/meaning of the second amendment and would impose substantial gun control measures (even banning CCW) against their fellow Americans in spite of this being a basic right. Even though, by the FBI's own database, there are at least a couple hundred thousand instances per year where a privately owned gun prevented a crime or stopped a criminal from getting away.

[Sandtrap328]

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

[Wandatime]

Originally Posted by Jima64

A person that chews on the last of a cigar can have a horrible bad breath odor that goes beyond the smoking smell. I used to shop at a local market and the new clerk, an older gentleman would chew a cigar and it was so bad several customers quit shopping there. It went beyond the cigar aroma but just plain nasty breath so bad you could smell it as soon as you approached the checkout register.

Point taken, but even after removing the cigar the breath would still remain disgusting, no?

[Wandatime]

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[snowbird22154]

People Live Longer....listening to your wife

Originally Posted by Xcuse

My wife would insist I keep my mouth shut and that we move.

[MikeyBoo54]

I guess I'm lost in the thread now.

Did the cigar chewer have a gun? Was he letting his dog poop in the grass outside the bar? Was he a politician espousing gun control?

Is this a demonstration of how to hijack any thread into the standard issues of complaint at TV?

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

Had one of those witnesses been carrying, they could have been apprehended sooner or the crime averted all together. There is "no need for it".....until there is.

As for the cigar guy, I would just finish my drink and leave. If eating, I would just ask to be seated elsewhere as soon as there was another place available.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Okay guys, my last post on the subject of carrying guns in and around The Villages.

In the instance of the 80 year old lady mugged in the parking lot - she takes one powerful blow and gets knocked to the ground and her purse is grabbed and the mugger runs to a waiting car. That is the fact of the case.

IF she had a gun - not in her purse that was stolen - she was knocked to the ground, suffered a broken hip (I believe), could she play through the pain; shake the cobwebs out of her head; draw her pistol from wherever it was holstered; aim at a running target now many yards away, and pump a couple of slugs into the "10 ring"?

Then, besides probably hitting some innocent bystanders, would she be charged with a crime because the bad guy did not pose a threat to her anymore since he was running away?

Wow, that would be some remarkable 80 year old lady, wouldn't it?

As to the fire insurance - my bank requires me to have it for the mortgage. The Florida law requires me to have car insurance.

As I said, it is your right to carry. Absolutely no need for it but go ahead and do it if you do everything legal.

I'm not required to have house insurance, but I do. I'm not required to carry $300,000 auto coverage, but I do. So, in my case, it is the same as CC. It reminds me of the flood "victims" that never buy FEMA flood insurance, and then want FEMA to rebuild their house when it gets flooded.

[Bogie Shooter]

As I was reading this thread I saw some interesting stats on a CNN report.
Since 911 we have had 74 people killed in terriost attacks, to which $800m has been spent. During this same period there were 150,000 gun deaths,
which nothing has been spent or anything done.
Seems like our priorities are misplaced.......

[CathyandSteveG]

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

Yesterday, my wife & myself were sitting @ the bar at an unnamed country club.

Two men sat down a few cars away. One of the men was chewing on a non smoking cigar that had about 1" of tobacco left-the stench was horrible- As a cigar smoker I could never smoke any cigar that short.

I asked the bar person , to ask the gentleman to kindly get rid of that "stinker"

she did so- and he kinda got in my face & said."next time ask me your self"

I asked the bar person to avoid the confrontation-that I suspected would arise.

So he simply had the cigar in his mouth but he was not smoking it? it was not lit? He was chewing it?.... kind of like dipping snuff or chewing a wad of tobacco? Could the odor that you were smelling have been lingering on his clothes?

Is smoking allowed in the country clubs? although he was not technically smoking. Are vapor cigarettes allowed in the country clubs? I don't live in TV yet so I don't know the answer to these questions.

Your question is what would you have done? I would simply have moved to another table.

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by Jima64

I sympathize with you avout this cigar stench. My dad was a lifelong cigar smoker and there is a big difference between smoking and chewing on the end. It is a terrible tobacco breath that won't go away. I guess I would have moved and if the server asked about the move I would have said why.

I think we sat next to this guy at the "Sharon" Performing Arts Center a couple weeks ago. The stench from his breath was awful. Some people have no clue.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Happinow

Then I would have gotten up and moved. Chewing is nauseating.

Originally Posted by Chatbrat

We only eat @ the bar, & there were no more seats available.

Chatbrat already said there were no more seats available.

Originally Posted by Wandatime

It is a country club in a golfing community in the middle of summer. Men and women come in from playing golf in this heat reeking of sweat, body odor, stale perfume, cigarette and cigar smoke. I wouldn't have done a darned thing except continue to eat my lunch.

Always the voice of reason.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

If that 80 year old woman had been armed, the chances are the pistol would have been carried in her purse.

The mugger came up in back of her, knocked her to the ground with one powerful blow, grabbed her purse and ran to a waiting car. That is how it happened according to all witnesses.

If she had been armed, the mugger would have gotten a gun as part of his loot.

Why would a woman with a concealed weapon permit carry a gun in the one place that a mugger would try to steal? Obviously posting opinions on a message board doesn't require training. Granny on the otherhand, would of had to undergo training, fingerprinting, background checks, photographing, pay a few dollars here and there all before she received her concealed weapon permit. Then she would of probably visited a gun shop or two and most likely would not have been quite as dumb as you protrayed her in your example.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by John_W

Why would a woman with a concealed weapon permit carry a gun in the one place that a mugger would try to steal? Obviously posting opinions on a message board doesn't require training. Granny on the otherhand, would of had to undergo training, fingerprinting, background checks, photographing, pay a few dollars here and there all before she received her concealed weapon permit. Then she would of probably visited a gun shop or two and most likely would not have been quite as dumb as you protrayed her in your example.

Let's say she had a gun in a holster tucked in her pants. She gets knocked down to the ground from behind, breaks a hip (I believe), laying on the ground with a broken hip and pulls out her pistol and plugs a running perp many yards away? Not going to happen, dude.

Let's also say "Granny" was a WAC during the Korean War. All she needs for a CCL is her DD214, fingerprinting, and pay about $100. No training or test or shooting skill required at all for a veteran even though military service might have been 70 years ago.

Anyhow, enjoy packing your gun in legal places.