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Originally Posted by charmed59

I see in Sumter county the percent of seniors vaccinated for COVID is leveling out at just over 60%. If we need 75% to hit herd immunity we’d need over 90% of those under 65 to be vaccinated, which seems unlikely.

Is there some number of seniors that intend to get vaccinated but haven’t yet? If so, what are they waiting for? I’m hopeful seeing the Villages Health is now inoculating their members.

I am just so amazed at the people who eat-up all the info they hear and read and think they are in a position to automatically know and communicate the truth.

Or - I could be wrong. OP - where did you get your advanced degree in epidemiology?

[oneclickplus]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

The vaccine reduces the probability of being infected, by about 20x, but does not eliminate it.

The ignorance around the shot (not a vaccine) is truly amazing to me. Getting the shot does nothing to "reduce the probability of being infected". Whenever you are exposed to the virus (any virus), you are infected. The only hope of any shot (not a vaccine) is to have your body properly defend against it.

Having taken the shot (not a vaccine) is not like "Scotty - shields up". It does nothing to prevent you from inhaling the virus or getting it while picking your nose after coming in contact with it.

Take note: Over time ... EVERYONE will become infected with the virus ... PERIOD. The only thing a shot (not a vaccine) or your innate immune system (my preference) can do is respond to that infection. That RESPONSE is what determines if you get "sick". Lack of getting sick does not mean you have not been "infected".

A quiet controlled response means you won't even know you got infected (i.e. you don't get sick). A wild out-of-control response means you get sick from the infection (and then recover ... or not).

But, don't harbor any illusion that you will never get the virus because you got the shot (not a vaccine). That is inevitable. Everyone will get infected ... EVERYONE.

[GeriS]

Originally Posted by Dayeight99

It’s not a vaccination against a virus. It is gene therapy. Completely different. Research and DD.

You are so right. The information is out there if people would research rather than following what someone like Fauci, who has ties to the Wuhan lab, says. Check the cdc site for what's in it. You will be horrified. You can also find out the thousands of people who have been injured by the vaccine. There has not been one study that proves masks work, & before you argue, please post the scientific study. Fauci continually moves the goal post. If you believe anything he says, it's sad.

[allsport]

This attitude is very unhelpful to the protection of this country. I personally hope all public transportation requires the vaccine. I am thrilled the cruise industry and most foreign countries require it for entry. The non vaccine people will be stuck in the USA and that will make my travel much safer.

[mlmarr1]

Lol

[Andyb]

Unconstitutional, Mr Stu.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by allsport

This attitude is very unhelpful to the protection of this country. I personally hope all public transportation requires the vaccine. I am thrilled the cruise industry and most foreign countries require it for entry. The non vaccine people will be stuck in the USA and that will make my travel much safer.

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take away everything that you have."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The ignorance around the shot (not a vaccine) is truly amazing to me. Getting the shot does nothing to "reduce the probability of being infected". Whenever you are exposed to the virus (any virus), you are infected. The only hope of any shot (not a vaccine) is to have your body properly defend against it.

Having taken the shot (not a vaccine) is not like "Scotty - shields up". It does nothing to prevent you from inhaling the virus or getting it while picking your nose after coming in contact with it.

Take note: Over time ... EVERYONE will become infected with the virus ... PERIOD. The only thing a shot (not a vaccine) or your innate immune system (my preference) can do is respond to that infection. That RESPONSE is what determines if you get "sick". Lack of getting sick does not mean you have not been "infected".

A quiet controlled response means you won't even know you got infected (i.e. you don't get sick). A wild out-of-control response means you get sick from the infection (and then recover ... or not).

But, don't harbor any illusion that you will never get the virus because you got the shot (not a vaccine). That is inevitable. Everyone will get infected ... EVERYONE.

I agree, the ignorance is amazing.

The issue is not whether you inhaled the virus, which you (and almost nobody else) consider "infected". The issue is whether you can take the virus into your cells where it can hijack your DNA to self-replicate and then spread it to others. If someone is successfully vaccinated, that can't happen. Period. And there has never been a pandemic where EVERYONE got infected, not even the Andromeda Strain

[tuccillo]

If you look at what was actually evaluated during the Moderna trial you would see they were testing for 2 symptoms plus a positive test for the virus. I believe you needed a negative test to be counted as part of the population that wasn't positive. Their statistics (20x reduction in probability) were based on the trial results. Why you feel the vaccine is not a vaccine is a mystery to me. Please state your qualifications to dispute what medical professionals are calling a vaccine. Please provide some references to support your conclusion that everyone will be infected. Let's start with the baseline that if you cannot detect the infection with the current tests (PCR or antigen) then you aren't infected. Evidence of a previous infection (or vaccination) could be based on an antibody test.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The ignorance around the shot (not a vaccine) is truly amazing to me. Getting the shot does nothing to "reduce the probability of being infected". Whenever you are exposed to the virus (any virus), you are infected. The only hope of any shot (not a vaccine) is to have your body properly defend against it.

Having taken the shot (not a vaccine) is not like "Scotty - shields up". It does nothing to prevent you from inhaling the virus or getting it while picking your nose after coming in contact with it.

Take note: Over time ... EVERYONE will become infected with the virus ... PERIOD. The only thing a shot (not a vaccine) or your innate immune system (my preference) can do is respond to that infection. That RESPONSE is what determines if you get "sick". Lack of getting sick does not mean you have not been "infected".

A quiet controlled response means you won't even know you got infected (i.e. you don't get sick). A wild out-of-control response means you get sick from the infection (and then recover ... or not).

But, don't harbor any illusion that you will never get the virus because you got the shot (not a vaccine). That is inevitable. Everyone will get infected ... EVERYONE.

[Boffin]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

The ignorance around the shot (not a vaccine) is truly amazing to me. Getting the shot does nothing to "reduce the probability of being infected". Whenever you are exposed to the virus (any virus), you are infected. The only hope of any shot (not a vaccine) is to have your body properly defend against it.

Having taken the shot (not a vaccine) is not like "Scotty - shields up". It does nothing to prevent you from inhaling the virus or getting it while picking your nose after coming in contact with it.

Take note: Over time ... EVERYONE will become infected with the virus ... PERIOD. The only thing a shot (not a vaccine) or your innate immune system (my preference) can do is respond to that infection. That RESPONSE is what determines if you get "sick". Lack of getting sick does not mean you have not been "infected".

A quiet controlled response means you won't even know you got infected (i.e. you don't get sick). A wild out-of-control response means you get sick from the infection (and then recover ... or not).

But, don't harbor any illusion that you will never get the virus because you got the shot (not a vaccine). That is inevitable. Everyone will get infected ... EVERYONE.

Agree with one exception. The statement that everyone will necessarily get infected is not correct. Although the percentage of humans that get infected may be high, it is extremely unlikely that it will reach an absolute value of 100%. Biology rarely works that way.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

If you look at what was actually evaluated during the Moderna trial you would see they were testing for 2 symptoms plus a positive test for the virus. Their statistics (20x reduction in probability) were based on the trial results. Why you feel the vaccine is not a vaccine is a mystery to me. Please state your qualifications to dispute what medical professionals are calling a vaccine. Please provide some references to support your conclusion that everyone will be infected. Let's start with the baseline that if you cannot detect the infection with the current tests (PCR or antigen) then you aren't infected. Evidence of infection could be based on an antibody test.

Please state your qualifications to dispute what medical professionals are calling a vaccine.

Probably the University of Google College of Medicine and bartending

Please provide some references to support your conclusion that everyone will be infected.

Perhaps the movie "Omega Man" or its remake

[banjobob]

Keep the alarm bells ringing , the panic and paranoia on the front page, people with the vaccine are not at risk and those that it need or want the vaccine will soon get it , stop the fear mongering.

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Originally Posted by tuccillo

You can’t compare HIV with the coronavirus. HIV is not transmitted through the air while the coronavirus is transmitted through the air. If you are not exchanging blood or having sex with the person next to you then you aren’t going to contract HIV.

So, I am guessing you have yourself regularly tested for these diseases (they can remain dormant for years) and I am assuming you demand a very very recent clean bill of health (hopefully one you can trust) from anyone you decide to become intimate with (‘sex’ can mean a lot of things)). I am not a Dr - but, I know MANY more people who have contracted these diseases - HIV HPV HSV - and these are diseases that can not be cured. They have no vaccines for us (older folks) for these diseases. I would take being infected with Covid a million times more over any one of those diseases - yes - I am not exaggerating. ** I am so *NOT* afraid of Covid. (I wear a mask and distance - I do not do it for me - I do it to be kind to those with the fear.) I look forward to the day to we can share smiles with strangers.

I am afraid of many of the threats we all face - every day. Covid is *not* one of them.

[tuccillo]

Moderna trial results. While it has been some time since I had statistics as an undergrad, I believe the correct interpretation of 95% effectiveness level (what Moderna reported) is that your probability of becoming infected is reduced by 20x. It isn't entirely clear to me whether a "positive" result in the Moderna trial required evidence of "disease", which I will call the observable symptoms of an infection, and a positive PCR test or if simply the detection of symptomless infection by a PCR test was sufficient for a "positive" result. Regardless, since they reported statistical results you are looking at probabilities.

Originally Posted by Byte1

Where did you get that information?

[tuccillo]

Huh? Go back and read my post again. You clearly missed the point.

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com

So, I am guessing you have yourself regularly tested for these diseases (they can remain dormant for years) and I am assuming you demand a very very recent clean bill of health (hopefully one you can trust) from anyone you decide to become intimate with (‘sex’ can mean a lot of things)). I am not a Dr - but, I know MANY more people who have contracted these diseases - HIV HPV HSV - and these are diseases that can not be cured. They have no vaccines for us (older folks) for these diseases. I would take being infected with Covid a million times more over any one of those diseases - yes - I am not exaggerating. ** I am so *NOT* afraid of Covid. (I wear a mask and distance - I do not do it for me - I do it to be kind to those with the fear.) I look forward to the day to we can share smiles with strangers.

I am afraid of many of the threats we all face - every day. Covid is *not* one of them.