[buggyone]

Originally Posted by rp001

This is NOT the first time for Carnival. They seem to make national headlines every couple of years with these types of issues. I did hear passengers interviewed say they thought the crew did a stellar job, but they only had negative things to say regarding carnival's management.

I cannot see how you can blame Carnival corporate management for an engine fire that knocked out power. Receiving a full refund, a free future cruise, hotel and transporation back to the home port, and $500 was basically all one could expect to be possible. What else could be expected?

If you are also referring to the Costa Concordia that sank off of Italy, that was not Carnival management but the actions of a single person (the inept captain).

Personally, I would not sail Carnival because I prefer the luxury of Celebrity but I do not blame Carnival corporate management for these incidents.

[gocubsgo]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I cannot see how you can blame Carnival corporate management for an engine fire that knocked out power. Receiving a full refund, a free future cruise, hotel and transporation back to the home port, and $500 was basically all one could expect to be possible. What else could be expected?

Carnival is 100% to blame for this. They knew 2 months ago there was mechanical problems in the engine that could cause a fire at some point. They continued to send that cruise ship out to make a buck and look where it got them.

[sandybill2]

Originally Posted by gocubsgo

Carnival is 100% to blame for this. They knew 2 months ago there was mechanical problems in the engine that could cause a fire at some point. They continued to send that cruise ship out to make a buck and look where it got them.

I have been following the Carnival cruise ship issue especially since we cruise Carnival all the time. Please let me know where the article is about the mechanical problem in the engine 2 months ago. Would really like to read it. Thanks

[karostay]

Originally Posted by gocubsgo

I am so glad all those poor people are back on dry land and getting food and SHOWERS!

Here's what baffles me...why didn't Carnival send out another ship when all this first happened and transfer the passengers? Why did they leave them on that nasty ship for days on end in those filthy conditions? How hard would it have been to do that?

I read this morning that the crew quickly picked up all the mattresses on the deck and "suddenly found food they didn't know they had" and set out a small buffet table right before they pulled into Alabama. Hmmm...

2 ships floating in the gulf one under steerage one adrift side by side transferring passengers
Isn't going to happen .

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by gocubsgo

Carnival is 100% to blame for this. They knew 2 months ago there was mechanical problems in the engine that could cause a fire at some point. They continued to send that cruise ship out to make a buck and look where it got them.

Can you give some proof to this charge?

[Mack184]

Originally Posted by gocubsgo

Carnival is 100% to blame for this. They knew 2 months ago there was mechanical problems in the engine that could cause a fire at some point. They continued to send that cruise ship out to make a buck and look where it got them.

Just how can you 'KNOW" this? Are you the ship's Chief Engineer or a USCG inspector with direct knowledge of the ship's records?

[gocubsgo]

Originally Posted by Mack184

Just how can you 'KNOW" this? Are you the ship's Chief Engineer or a USCG inspector with direct knowledge of the ship's records?

Carnival passengers on both this cruise and prior ones talk about problems on the Triumph | abc13.com

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by gocubsgo

Carnival passengers on both this cruise and prior ones talk about problems on the Triumph | abc13.com

In the comments section below the story, some people who were on those cruises report being told of a propulsion problem that had been fixed and inspected prior to sailing but that there would/may be a speed limitation.

I'm sure we'll hear lots of conflicting stories about this incident.

[Mack184]

In a much smaller context many years ago I used to make extra money on the weekends by driving Greyhound-sized charter buses on trips. We were based in upstate NY and used to make a lot of runs to NYC for Yankees or Giants games and Manhattan shopping. We also did a lot of weekend trips to the casinos in Atlantic City.

Being that the buses were used in interstate commerce the maintence records of the bus were in a binder on board. Before ever moving the bus you are required by federal law to make a full pre-trip inspection and check the maintenence records before taking the bus out on the road to carry passengers. If things were not right, we refused the bus. Now any good driver would do those inspections even if there wasn't a law to require it. I don't know any driver who would want the responsibility of 40 passengers knowing that you were driving a machine with unfixed problems. Occasionally despite our best efforts sometimes a bus would break down on a trip. It makes for a lousy time. But Sewage happens.

Have you ever had your car break down on the road even though you gave it reasonable care? Sewage happens.

Take that into a larger context, how many times have you had to wait at an airport because the plane's captain found something that MIGHT cause a problem and refused to take the plane?

A ship's master is no different. I cannot believe that a ship's captain is going to put out to sea KNOWING that his boat has problems and he's taking a chance for the liability of thousands of people. And, Carnival or any other company knows their liability if they send out something that they KNOW to be unfit for operation. Companies like Carnival are in business to make money..not pay lawyers to defend them and pay out judgements for faulty operation.

Yes, there was that dolt at the helm of that Italian liner a year or so ago, but you do not hear many stories of that magnitude.

If the captain and the company knowingly sent out a ship that was not seaworthy you are talking about possible criminal charges. I really doubt that this was the case. Sewage happens. It made for a terrible situation. I think Carnival and the ship's captain did the best they could under the circumstances.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by Mack184

In a much smaller context many years ago I used to make extra money on the weekends by driving Greyhound-sized charter buses on trips. We were based in upstate NY and used to make a lot of runs to NYC for Yankees or Giants games and Manhattan shopping. We also did a lot of weekend trips to the casinos in Atlantic City.

Being that the buses were used in interstate commerce the maintence records of the bus were in a binder on board. Before ever moving the bus you are required by federal law to make a full pre-trip inspection and check the maintenence records before taking the bus out on the road to carry passengers. If things were not right, we refused the bus. Now any good driver would do those inspections even if there wasn't a law to require it. I don't know any driver who would want the responsibility of 40 passengers knowing that you were driving a machine with unfixed problems. Occasionally despite our best efforts sometimes a bus would break down on a trip. It makes for a lousy time. But Sewage happens.

Have you ever had your car break down on the road even though you gave it reasonable care? Sewage happens.

Take that into a larger context, how many times have you had to wait at an airport because the plane's captain found something that MIGHT cause a problem and refused to take the plane?

A ship's master is no different. I cannot believe that a ship's captain is going to put out to sea KNOWING that his boat has problems and he's taking a chance for the liability of thousands of people. And, Carnival or any other company knows their liability if they send out something that they KNOW to be unfit for operation. Companies like Carnival are in business to make money..not pay lawyers to defend them and pay out judgements for faulty operation.

Yes, there was that dolt at the helm of that Italian liner a year or so ago, but you do not hear many stories of that magnitude.

If the captain and the company knowingly sent out a ship that was not seaworthy you are talking about possible criminal charges. I really doubt that this was the case. Sewage happens. It made for a terrible situation. I think Carnival and the ship's captain did the best they could under the circumstances.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by CFrance

As parents of a senior at Maine Maritime Academy, we were invited to do the last leg of their training cruise, which involved riding a tug out to their 500-foot training vessel and transferring onto it in choppy Penobscot Bay. It was one hairy experience. There is that one point where you have to step from one rolling boat onto the steps leading up the side of the ship. Took an hour to get 50 people on board the ship. I just can't imagine getting 4000 people transferred from one ship to another.

Castine, Maine is a nice little town (home to the Maine Maritime Academy). We've stopped there several times........off the beaten path.

We've enjoyed all of our road trips up and down each peninsula in coastal Maine......from the bottom to the top where Calais borders New Brunswick, Canada.

We're just glad that the Confederation Bridge now links New Brunswick to Prince Edward Island..........although a small ferry from N.B. to Charlottetown, P.E.I. was always very very nice on calm seas.
A very modern ferry............

Not so our trip to North Haven Island Maine.

If any "villagers" want a unique summer vacation.......plan on seeing Prince Edward Island Canada, home of "Anne of Green Gables" fame.
For those who still like to cycle, the rolling hills are not only scenic but popular with bikers. Beautiful pristine empty beaches.........gorgeous.

We've returned many many times and love the folks on P.E.I. as well as Cape Breton, New Brunswick, etc. Down to earth and wholesome.
Everyone up in the Canadian Martimes were very very friendly and kindly.

Halifax, Nova Scotia has a Titanic memorial..........

Anyway, two leisurely weeks by car is how we do the Canadian Maritimes.
Very relaxing...........

We love Maine and are vacationing there for two weeks this summer.
Can't wait.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Castine, Maine is a nice little town (home to the Maine Maritime Academy). We've stopped there several times........off the beaten path.

We've enjoyed all of our road trips up and down each peninsula in coastal Maine......from the bottom to the top where Calais borders New Brunswick, Canada.

We're just glad that the Confederation Bridge now links New Brunswick to Prince Edward Island..........although a small ferry from N.B. to Charlottetown, P.E.I. was always very very nice on calm seas.
A very modern ferry............

Not so our trip to North Haven Island Maine.

If any "villagers" want a unique summer vacation.......plan on seeing Prince Edward Island Canada, home of "Anne of Green Gables" fame.
For those who still like to cycle, the rolling hills are not only scenic but popular with bikers. Beautiful pristine empty beaches.........gorgeous.

We've returned many many times and love the folks on P.E.I. as well as Cape Breton, New Brunswick, etc. Down to earth and wholesome.
Everyone up in the Canadian Martimes was very very friendly and kindly.

Halifax, Nova Scotia has a Titanic memorial..........

Anyway, two leisurely weeks by car is how we do the Canadian Maritimes.
Very relaxing...........

We love Maine and are vacationing there for two weeks this summer.
Can't wait.

Tourism Prince Edward Island (PEI) - Canada - Official Guide

Tourism Prince Edward Island (PEI) Canada – Official Guide

Just wanted to add this link for the tourism package.
Worth sending for.

We love the seacoast of any state, but particularly Maine and Canada. Great way to escape the Florida summer heat.

We skip the Maine turnpike and take the slow journey via all the coastal roads.....slower but prettier. Don't need to cruise to see Maine and venture "off the beaten path"......ditto for the Canadian Maritimes.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Mack184

While 5 days in miserable conditions is no picnic, those who came to America centuries ago had it MUCH worse. They would probably think of us as a bunch of wimps.

LOVE YOUR POST. You said it. We are a bunch of wimps.

My Ukrainian grandmother came across in steerage as an orphaned 14 year old , traveling alone........on a ship that was practically sinking, as she always told my mom..........it was the last crossing before being put in "mothballs". She "cruised" across the ocean in 1906. Horrific conditions.


Ditto for my Dad's Italians...........all came across in steerage.
It was no picnic back in the 1890 timeframe...........no luxury cruise out of Florida.

We actually own a pleasure boat........but I prefer my feet on the ground.
Short crossings to get to an island are fine with me............but can think of other ways to spend our vacation money..........for sure.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Castine, Maine is a nice little town (home to the Maine Maritime Academy). We've stopped there several times........off the beaten path.

We've enjoyed all of our road trips up and down each peninsula in coastal Maine......from the bottom to the top where Calais borders New Brunswick, Canada.

We're just glad that the Confederation Bridge now links New Brunswick to Prince Edward Island..........although a small ferry from N.B. to Charlottetown, P.E.I. was always very very nice on calm seas.
A very modern ferry............

Not so our trip to North Haven Island Maine.

If any "villagers" want a unique summer vacation.......plan on seeing Prince Edward Island Canada, home of "Anne of Green Gables" fame.
For those who still like to cycle, the rolling hills are not only scenic but popular with bikers. Beautiful pristine empty beaches.........gorgeous.

We've returned many many times and love the folks on P.E.I. as well as Cape Breton, New Brunswick, etc. Down to earth and wholesome.
Everyone up in the Canadian Martimes were very very friendly and kindly.

Halifax, Nova Scotia has a Titanic memorial..........

Anyway, two leisurely weeks by car is how we do the Canadian Maritimes.
Very relaxing...........

We love Maine and are vacationing there for two weeks this summer.
Can't wait.

Off topic, but... That was our first real travel-type vacation as a married couple--with 8-month-old son, in 1974. Columbus-St. Lawrence Seaway-Quebec-Nova Scotia-New Brunswick-down the eastern seaboard. Many beautiful seaside state parks in Maine. 50 cents to get in. I threw my diamond away in a trash can there after making hamburgers. Had to pay 50 cents to get back in and dig it out!

Who knew we'd end up with another son there for college.

Every vacation after that has had to measure up to that one when being evaluated.

Thanks for reminding me. If we sell our Lake MI condo this summer, I may come picking your brain about vacation spots in Maine.

[Heartnsoul]

here's my question Why didn't Carnival choose to take these passengers to Mexico when they were only 150 miles from the shore rather than make them go four more days to get into US. Were they putting PROFITS OVER SAFETY?? Do you realize the cruise line industy is NOT REGULATED and once you leave shore you are at their mercy?? Just some more food for thought