[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by jaj523

If two experts disagree, the problem is deciding which one to believe. It doesn't mean one is a liar, and the other is telling the truth. The citizenry should be able to listen to the arguments of experts who disagree and make up their own minds. Maybe both scientists have found a truth. The government/Big Brother should NOT be the one to decide which one is legitimate and which one isn't. There is no such thing as "the science." Scientific truth evolves as time passes. (Are masks helpful or not? Do COVID survivors need to be vaccinated? Which vaccine is better.? etc. etc.) In the meantime, we need for the scientists to continue to research and to report on what they find to the scientific community and the public. And ALL of that research needs to be available to the public.

With respect to "the Government/Big Brother should not get to decide which one is legitimate". WWWEEEELLLLLL, WE, here in the US of A do pledge allegiance to America every day in grade and high school. And we are required to register for a possible military call to arms. And we do vote every 4 years for President. And the Federal Government defends our stupid as*es from ALL enemies, foreign or DOMESTIC. So, YES....BIG YES the government DOES GET TO DECIDE which one is legitimate. To FEEL and THINK otherwise is subjective ANARCHY!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And on what basis is the average person supposed to "make up their own mind"?

I believe there are 2 competing versions of string theory---one has 13 spatial and one temporal dimension, the other 27 spatial and 2 temporal dimensions. I could read everything ever written by the experts that "disagree" on which is correct, and not have a clue, because I don't have the background or education in quantum physics and the math that goes with it. So trying to "make up my own mind" would be useless.

Same thing with all the COVID research. Non-professionals have some familiarity with medical issues usually through an experience or two, but in no way does that make them any more qualified to "make up their own mind" than it would for string theory.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Exactly, best, most logical post ever. .....and a better analogy than I could EVER dream of.....Kudos!!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And on what basis is the average person supposed to "make up their own mind"?

I believe there are 2 competing versions of string theory---one has 13 spatial and one temporal dimension, the other 27 spatial and 2 temporal dimensions. I could read everything ever written by the experts that "disagree" on which is correct, and not have a clue, because I don't have the background or education in quantum physics and the math that goes with it. So trying to "make up my own mind" would be useless.

Same thing with all the COVID research. Non-professionals have some familiarity with medical issues usually through an experience or two, but in no way does that make them any more qualified to "make up their own mind" than it would for string theory.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Now if the question or subject were - "do you approve of twerking, yes or no" or "do you believe that the earth is ruled by God or the Devil?" Yes or no. Then, since those are ambiguous, gray areas, each person's opinion carries about the same weight. But, in our original discussion, we have thousands and thousands of worldwide medical experts whose opinion when synthesized together represent one SOLID point of view VERSUS some random cowboy's opinion somewhere - I choose the Science and the Federal Government (knowing that nothing is perfectly-perfect!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

And on what basis is the average person supposed to "make up their own mind"?

I believe there are 2 competing versions of string theory---one has 13 spatial and one temporal dimension, the other 27 spatial and 2 temporal dimensions. I could read everything ever written by the experts that "disagree" on which is correct, and not have a clue, because I don't have the background or education in quantum physics and the math that goes with it. So trying to "make up my own mind" would be useless.

Same thing with all the COVID research. Non-professionals have some familiarity with medical issues usually through an experience or two, but in no way does that make them any more qualified to "make up their own mind" than it would for string theory.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Yes, I ALWAYS rely on "string theory" and contemplate it as I play tennis. Tennis anyone? Anyone?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Help!!!!!! Stop I'm getting dizzy and I had a great lunch!

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Yes, I ALWAYS rely on "string theory" and contemplate it as I play tennis. Tennis anyone? Anyone?

As long as you get your racket "restrung" on a regular basis

But , as you know, and I can think of 4 or 5 posters off the top of my head, there are those that will argue "they do their own research and make up their own minds" These are the people that will be sitting at their PC googling "cat 5 hurricane" or "nuclear detonation radius" while all their neighbors have evacuated on the advice of the "experts"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Exactly, best, most logical post ever. .....and a better analogy than I could EVER dream of.....Kudos!!!!!!

TY. You're not so bad after all, so don't move to Portugal.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

TY. You're not so bad after all, so don't move to Portugal.

Why not? I hear their vaccination rates are 98%!

[fishon]

If the Secretary for Heath can identify as a female, I’ll identify as vaccinated.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

My brother-in-law just got out of rehab yesterday, he has been hospitalized since late January with Covid most of the time in intensive care with Covid , he was a very healthy man who would have loved to get vaccinated if he had had the chance , I choose to follow the mainstream large group of scientists and got my shots in late January and now I’ve had booster with no side effects at 82 please get your shots

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by sshepard03

It is my understanding, from the CDC (albeit quietly published) that fully vaccinated people can get Covid and transmit Covid. This is contrary to what our Administration stated 2 months ago. If ANYONE says they 'know about Covid,' that is a lie. No one knows. Some say it's safe. They 'think' it's safe but they don't know it's safe. I want to see the 20 year study on > 1 million people to determine, i.e. long-term effects.
No one knows - we are all in the dark.

I can't imagine that anyone in any administration said something like that. It has been well known and well publicized for over a year that these types of vaccines do not prevent anyone from getting Covid-19. It was thought at one time that the vaccines could prevent those vaccinated from transmitting it but that was also contradicted and highly publicized many months ago.

What the vaccine does it ensure that the severity of the symptoms will be less in vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people.That has been pretty much common knowledge for a long time.

In fact it is possible to get the flu after being vaccinated with the annual influenza vaccine.

I had a very severe case of Covid-19. I was hospitalized for 12 days and still have minor symptoms over two months after the onset of the disease.
Every doctor that I've seen has told me that if I had not been fully vaccinated, I would not have survived.

My better half also got Covid-19 while I was in the hospital. She is also fully vaccinated and had a relatively mild case.

Whatever your symptoms are, they will be less severe if you are vaccinated. I don't recall at any time anyone stating that these vaccines would prevent a person from contracting the virus.

What so many people fail to understand is that this is a very unique virus. It is different than any other virus that we've ever seen. There has been and will continue to be a huge learning curve. I've asked my doctors many questions and they have answered many of them. But in some cases, I've been told that "honestly, we just don't know". That is why we hear information one day and it changes a week or a month later. Testing shows one thing and later a different testing shows different results.

The medical community is giving us the best information that they have at the time. That is always subject to change.

Three hundred years ago bleeding and leeches were universally accepted treatments for many conditions. Does anyone question that the sincerity of those doctors?

What I can't seem to find and answer to and haven't had the opportunity to ask a doctor is, is the amount of antibodies related to the severity of the symptoms? In other words, do I have more antibodies than a person that has a mild case?

I've tried googling and every response seems to be a long scientific paper where I have to look up every other word and do not understand even after that.

Has anyone heard anything about that?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

My brother-in-law just got out of rehab yesterday, he has been hospitalized since late January with Covid most of the time in intensive care with Covid , he was a very healthy man who would have loved to get vaccinated if he had had the chance , I choose to follow the mainstream large group of scientists and got my shots in late January and now I’ve had booster with no side effects at 82 please get your shots

82% vaccinated in The Villages. And a bunch of folks that survived the virus that are just as protected now as the vaccinated.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Whatever you say is true , I’m sure you have all the facts that’s why I read your posts hmmm

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

As long as you get your racket "restrung" on a regular basis

But , as you know, and I can think of 4 or 5 posters off the top of my head, there are those that will argue "they do their own research and make up their own minds" These are the people that will be sitting at their PC googling "cat 5 hurricane" or "nuclear detonation radius" while all their neighbors have evacuated on the advice of the "experts"

Yes, I agree! And I have my very own personal, very small, and inexpensive portable stringer. So, I can put the best string in my racket (even natural gut which has problems with the humidity and quick rainstorms of Florida). And I can string it to MY very own preference for string tension and use special dampening materials on each string, which takes care and time (4 hours) to finish a racket. I only string for myself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Why not? I hear their vaccination rates are 98%!

True that! Now you are talking and getting WITH the program. Keep up the good work and always remember to give dogs de-worming pills regularly and watch out for heartworms in Florida. put sandwich bags around each paw when they are walked because the ground is where the worm eggs are. (just kidding about the sandwich bags, maybe make a tough cloth barrier with velcro quick closures or invent something better). And avoid horse worming ivermectin for dogs and other ones that you love!