[capecodbob]

Originally Posted by jane032657

There was a time when the concept of white was "privilege" and the concept of black was "slave" instead of all people being treated equal. There was the concept that white people rode in the front of the bus and others in the back. Or the concept that intellectual/developmental disability was "retarded" instead of looking at abilities and gifts. Concepts change with time, it is called progress. We made progress today, the law has been decided. We have further to go. But what was accomplished today is the concept of equality as it should be today, with some more miles to go to make it universal in our country. We are on the way. I am elated.

I've seen this comparison of gays to slavery before and the African community does not take kindly to it, and neither do I. But hey, you're trying to sell something that the majority of the country does not buy. I think most agree with people sharing the things that married couples share (insurance etc.) but hijacking the word "marriage" is the deal breaker. The battle is far from over and the "sleeping majority" might have just been awakened.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Quixote

The U.S. Supreme Court decision was about marriage, not about child bearing. Why this obsession about bearing children? It has nothing to do with what the focus of this thread is. Or is it simply an attempt to strengthen "an us (majority) versus them (minority)" mentality? As pointed out by other posters, one does not need to be married to have children, and many married hetero couples do not have children, whether by choice or because of anatomical issues. So what?

You seem to be on a self appointed mission to accomplish who knows what. I usually don't bother to respond to such lateral arabesques except and unless the re-stated version is wrong and or in left field (no pun intended).

I was in fact ONLY responding to other posts in this thread regarding equality.....nothing more.

btk

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

I've seen this comparison of gays to slavery before and the African community does not take kindly to it, and neither do I. But hey, you're trying to sell something that the majority of the country does not buy. I think most agree with people sharing the things that married couples share (insurance etc.) but hijacking the word "marriage" is the deal breaker. The battle is far from over and the "sleeping majority" might have just been awakened.

Did all these type of "unions" spring up after Massachusetts became the first state in the country to allow same-sex marriage over five years ago?

[Bill Tasker]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

I've seen this comparison of gays to slavery before and the African community does not take kindly to it, and neither do I. But hey, you're trying to sell something that the majority of the country does not buy. I think most agree with people sharing the things that married couples share (insurance etc.) but hijacking the word "marriage" is the deal breaker. The battle is far from over and the "sleeping majority" might have just been awakened.

Another misconception: The LGBT Community does not compare themselves to the slavery of African Americans. The comparrison is the inequity of marriatal rights that African Americans faced. There was a time when Africian Americans were not allowed to marry. There was a time when interacial marriages were not legal. The only part of your comment that has merit and I can agree with is the battle is far from over.

[ilovetv]

In regard to the biblical and other religious references above, I think it is instructive for everyone to read objectively the following, which articulates better than any of us individuals can, what Western Christian tradition--handed down thru 2,000 years of collective wisdom--says about homosexual unions. This is not "Bible thumping", but rather is doctrine from which the source of modern Christian belief on this topic is explained.

I'm posting this only to gain some mutual understanding here, NOT to argue about religions' and denominations' differences and bickering, so please just read it and try to understand the foundations and precepts taught most Christians, which form our beliefs on this subject.

Please read the entire page at the link below, to see these key points in context.

Obviously, gay folks are not going to agree with it, but I think everyone can learn something from it to be able to understand our beliefs' historical and doctrinal origins

And before anyone gets into throwing stones back at the institution who wrote this, this is an adage I was taught many years ago about the human failure to live out all these doctrines:

"God knows we are not perfect, but He does know we have the capacity to make progress toward perfection."

Catechism of the Catholic Church:

The integrity of the person

2338 The chaste person maintains the integrity of the powers of life and love placed in him. This integrity ensures the unity of the person; it is opposed to any behavior that would impair it. It tolerates neither a double life nor duplicity in speech.

2339 Chastity includes an apprenticeship in self-mastery which is a training in human freedom. The alternative is clear: either man governs his passions and finds peace, or he lets himself be dominated by them and becomes unhappy. "Man's dignity therefore requires him to act out of conscious and free choice, as moved and drawn in a personal way from within, and not by blind impulses in himself or by mere external constraint. Man gains such dignity when,......

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.......

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The sixth commandment

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Bill Tasker

Another misconception: The LGBT Community does not compare themselves to the slavery of African Americans. The comparrison is the inequity of marriatal rights that African Americans faced. There was a time when Africian Americans were not allowed to marry. The only part of your comment that has merit and I can agree with is the battle is far from over.

Well said. It is sad that such beliefs still exist. I would add here, that we have admin to thank for subjects like this to be discussed without the problems of days gone by.

[mickey100]

[QUOTE=Golfingnut;698451]Those that claim to be the most devout Christians also are the very one's that condem others that do not follow THEIR understanding of faith to the letter. I say with confidence that although they may be very religious and even sincere about their religion, they do not fit into what I understand as what it is to be a Christian. Jesus Christ accepted gay.[/QUOTI agree. Well said. There is a lot of hatred spewed in the name of religion.

[rayschic]

Congratulations Ronnie and Jimmy ! I am very happy to hear about this ruling.
Equality is so important.

[rayschic]

Originally Posted by Portia

ITS only a matter of time..when the old boys club die off and the next generation will be waiting with open arms.. for equality for all..

[Buffalo Jim]

I don't find it hard to believe that those disappointed are the same who were against every progressive move ever made in this country, like the right to vote, the right for those of different races to marry, etc.

WOW ! What a statement . Very generalized and try this " very prejudicial " on your part . Think about what you are saying here . Think .

It may surprise you and all of your " Holier than thou --tar them all with the same brush friends " to know that there are many intelligent well educated people who happen to be Conservative on Fiscal issues and socially liberal or what you would deem to be your exclusive term " Progressive ".

I don1t care of someone wants to mary a goat and move in next door . Just don`t shove your life-style into my face or that of my grand-kids and don`t expect me to pay for it . Amen .

Now everyone jump on me for having the courage to point out clear bias on the part of the original Poster .

[billethkid]

buffalojim if I may borrow your second to the last statement from your post:

"I don1t care of someone wants to mary a goat and move in next door . Just don`t shove your life-style into my face or that of my grand-kids and don`t expect me to pay for it . Amen . "

Exactly how I feel about the issue!!!!!

btk

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

I don't find it hard to believe that those disappointed are the same who were against every progressive move ever made in this country, like the right to vote, the right for those of different races to marry, etc.

WOW ! What a statement . Very generalized and try this " very prejudicial " on your part . Think about what you are saying here . Think .

It may surprise you and all of your " Holier than thou --tar them all with the same brush friends " to know that there are many intelligent well educated people who happen to be Conservative on Fiscal issues and socially liberal or what you would deem to be your exclusive term " Progressive ".

I don1t care of someone wants to mary a goat and move in next door . Just don`t shove your life-style into my face or that of my grand-kids and don`t expect me to pay for it . Amen .

Now everyone jump on me for having the courage to point out clear bias on the part of the original Poster .

Bingo and thanks for your post

[Portia]

I had a very young friend of 21 years that when he told his father he was Gay ,his father beat the living day lights out of him ,and sent him to the hospital, when he came home from the hospital, he hung him self in his bedroom closet so I hope that all the people, that have so much to say about gay people ,never have sons or daughters or Grand children that are gay, and decide to kill them selfs because mom or dad, or grammie or grandpa think of them differently ;so think before you speak, because you may be faceing someone hanging in your closet

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by billethkid

buffalojim if I may borrow your second to the last statement from your post:

"I don1t care of someone wants to mary a goat and move in next door . Just don`t shove your life-style into my face or that of my grand-kids and don`t expect me to pay for it . Amen . "

Exactly how I feel about the issue!!!!!

btk

Sorry but you continue to disrupt the harmony of this thread to no avail. The majority are ready for love and acceptance and not. Hate + separation

[angiefox10]

*sigh* Most people don't realize how many people out there are gay.... Many of those gays have just not come out of the closet for fear of not being accepted.

For the people who have come out... Those people have friends and family who love and support them very much!

I believe the "majority" are those of us who love and support our gay friends and relatives.

And please.... If you are straight... please don't shove it down my children or grand children's throat as if it is the only way to be! I don't want them to grow up believing there is something wrong with being gay. You see... or maybe you don't... I want my friends and family to be happy!

I WANT my children and grandchildren to grow up watching people kiss and hold hands. All people... same sex, opposite sex and interracial..

What a wonderful world it would be....