Originally Posted by Guest

Equality?

Just another political, special interest, minority game to give to those that which they did nothing to earn!!

How many times have we heard about incidents where the better qualified candidates for positions were passed over to allow a lessor capable candidate in the name of seeking equality?

If they did not earn it they should not get it.

Go back to the FAIR way of life....if you are the better man/woman....you win!

Those who do a better job than the rest get the raises and praises.

Just listen to Obam's half a$$ comments yesterday about erasing the inequality in the gender gap. Listen to the experts as they struggle to define what constitutes the definition of gender gap. We will never hear that most of the gender gap is a satisfactory status among the majority of those involved for many reasons they don't want to discuss. Nothing more than political BS! As evidenced by Clinton who in their so called foundation for what ever pasy females 38% less than their male counterparts.
Hypocritical, political BS to get the stupid and uninformed to vote for them.

You and I agree but we differ in the concept of fairness. Fairness is one of those tricky words. In fact if one is honest about it fairness doesn't except and progressives are pushing against nature to attempt equal outcomes.

It is a fact of life that some people are richer, better looking more athletic, smarter, meaner .................................

So what to progressives do well its not fair that woman are strapped with having babies let's allow abortion. Its not fair that people are richer than other people so let's equalize all incomes to be the same...........

There was a time when a young person said I am out to make my way, my fortunate, my destiny. Now, it is its not fair and because I didn't get the job I wanted so I demand forgiveness on my school loan. Its not fair that that banker trapped me into a mortgage payment I can't meet so forgive my mortgage loan. As an American I am entitled to a free phone, free, health care...............................

I don't have grand children thank God.

Originally Posted by Guest

Ah, but on the other hand you are going to take Hillary and Obama's word for it, when they have no credible evidence to support them, and their comments on the issues have been found to be wrong by almost every reality check website.

There is a gender pay gap, but not due to discrimination. The gap is due mostly to choices men and women make in their careers and not discrimination. Once you account for a number of factors, including taking time off from work and different careers, then there isn't any evidence that it's true discrimination. Men tend to take higher risk careers that pay higher due to the danger/risk than women. Women tend to take jobs requiring less risk and less pay. You are not going to pay a secretary the same as the executive. If you have a woman executive with a male secretary, do you think that the male gets paid more than the executive?

The only disparity is by choice. You can't mandate a population's choice, unless you take into consideration the socialists of communist Russia when it was the USSR.

Wage disparity is ALL HYPE being used against the ignorant, uniformed losers that are disgruntled, by the elite politicians such as Hillary and Obama to get their ignorant votes.

You ask for links? I raise you one better. Give me evidence of a career, other than sports where a woman gets paid less than a man, doing the same job. Good luck.

Your right on. Government's push for $15 minimum, push to mandate overtime even for salaried grades, Dodd-Frank, the regulations to collect data to show a disparity in gender wage , push by NLRB to promote unions, the refusal by government to lower corporate tax and laws now to stop inversions is going to play badly with our economy

Radical progressives are so tied up with their ideology that they can't see the forest for the trees and even when they do they deny it existence but then they are an existential threat to themselves

Originally Posted by Guest

You and I agree but we differ in the concept of fairness. Fairness is one of those tricky words. In fact if one is honest about it fairness doesn't except and progressives are pushing against nature to attempt equal outcomes.

It is a fact of life that some people are richer, better looking more athletic, smarter, meaner .................................

So what to progressives do well its not fair that woman are strapped with having babies let's allow abortion. Its not fair that people are richer than other people so let's equalize all incomes to be the same...........

There was a time when a young person said I am out to make my way, my fortunate, my destiny. Now, it is its not fair and because I didn't get the job I wanted so I demand forgiveness on my school loan. Its not fair that that banker trapped me into a mortgage payment I can't meet so forgive my mortgage loan. As an American I am entitled to a free phone, free, health care...............................

I don't have grand children thank God.

Originally Posted by Guest

Your right on. Government's push for $15 minimum, push to mandate overtime even for salaried grades, Dodd-Frank, the regulations to collect data to show a disparity in gender wage , push by NLRB to promote unions, the refusal by government to lower corporate tax and laws now to stop inversions is going to play badly with our economy

Radical progressives are so tied up with their ideology that they can't see the forest for the trees and even when they do they deny it existence but then they are an existential threat to themselves

Originally Posted by Guest

Equality?

Just another political, special interest, minority game to give to those that which they did nothing to earn!!

How many times have we heard about incidents where the better qualified candidates for positions were passed over to allow a lessor capable candidate in the name of seeking equality?

If they did not earn it they should not get it.

Go back to the FAIR way of life....if you are the better man/woman....you win!

Those who do a better job than the rest get the raises and praises.

Just listen to Obam's half a$$ comments yesterday about erasing the inequality in the gender gap. Listen to the experts as they struggle to define what constitutes the definition of gender gap. We will never hear that most of the gender gap is a satisfactory status among the majority of those involved for many reasons they don't want to discuss. Nothing more than political BS! As evidenced by Clinton who in their so called foundation for what ever pasy females 38% less than their male counterparts.
Hypocritical, political BS to get the stupid and uninformed to vote for them.

Originally Posted by Guest

You and I agree but we differ in the concept of fairness. Fairness is one of those tricky words. In fact if one is honest about it fairness doesn't except and progressives are pushing against nature to attempt equal outcomes.

It is a fact of life that some people are richer, better looking more athletic, smarter, meaner .................................

So what to progressives do well its not fair that woman are strapped with having babies let's allow abortion. Its not fair that people are richer than other people so let's equalize all incomes to be the same...........

There was a time when a young person said I am out to make my way, my fortunate, my destiny. Now, it is its not fair and because I didn't get the job I wanted so I demand forgiveness on my school loan. Its not fair that that banker trapped me into a mortgage payment I can't meet so forgive my mortgage loan. As an American I am entitled to a free phone, free, health care...............................

I don't have grand children thank God.

The above two posts pretty much sum it up accurately!!

As to income inequality, or NOT actually, i have a personal example to offer. My husband and I have the exact same level of education and have worked in the same profession for almost 40 years. My husband made more money than I did (oh woe is me-sarcasm on). Here's why - he had a management level position (again, same profession as me) for most of his career. I had a similar position for only a few years, then took leave to raise our son. I continued to work but only part-time, while he worked probably 50 to 60 hours per week on salaried pay. Heck, now that I'm spelling this out, I'm realizing that I probably actually made more PER HOUR than he did! Although I do believe that income inequality existed years ago, my response to its existence today is "PSHAW". What I do see going on today between mine and my husband's profession and our son's, which is not the same profession but also white collar, is discrimination - specifically against the hiring of white men! Talk about an injustice. I am not in TV yet, and still in the work force and I can not tell you how many women have great jobs while their husbands are playing the stay-at-home parent role. And most times, it has not been by choice but necessity. Our society is definitely changing, I just question whether it is for the good. My gut feeling is that it is not.

What some of you fail to realize is that the same job, same pay point can have different people at different total wages/salary.

When their is a personal evaluation and raises given I do certainly hope the advocates of equality are not meaning that everybody gets the same raises.
Because that is not the way it works. Better performance equal bigger pay increases for the same job. The bigger increases go to the better performer.

I took great pride in the fact that my entire life I was well rewarded because I did the job better than anybody else. I got bigger raises at my performance reviews. And I was earning more than those in similar positions. Pay for performance.

Without pay for performance we stiffle the rising stars.

And anyway who ever sain the non performers should be rewarded anymore than they do. They are lucky to keep their jobs.

There is no such thing as equality in a competitive environment.

Just another special interest, monority group with the media and politicians attention. Otherwise = BS!

Originally Posted by Guest

As to income inequality, or NOT actually, i have a personal example to offer. My husband and I have the exact same level of education and have worked in the same profession for almost 40 years. My husband made more money than I did (oh woe is me-sarcasm on). Here's why - he had a management level position (again, same profession as me) for most of his career. I had a similar position for only a few years, then took leave to raise our son. I continued to work but only part-time, while he worked probably 50 to 60 hours per week on salaried pay. Heck, now that I'm spelling this out, I'm realizing that I probably actually made more PER HOUR than he did! Although I do believe that income inequality existed years ago, my response to its existence today is "PSHAW". What I do see going on today between mine and my husband's profession and our son's, which is not the same profession but also white collar, is discrimination - specifically against the hiring of white men! Talk about an injustice. I am not in TV yet, and still in the work force and I can not tell you how many women have great jobs while their husbands are playing the stay-at-home parent role. And most times, it has not been by choice but necessity. Our society is definitely changing, I just question whether it is for the good. My gut feeling is that it is not.

Thank you. And I hope that you DO consider moving to TV when able. You would be a welcome neighbor.

Originally Posted by Guest

As to income inequality, or NOT actually, i have a personal example to offer. My husband and I have the exact same level of education and have worked in the same profession for almost 40 years. My husband made more money than I did (oh woe is me-sarcasm on). Here's why - he had a management level position (again, same profession as me) for most of his career. I had a similar position for only a few years, then took leave to raise our son. I continued to work but only part-time, while he worked probably 50 to 60 hours per week on salaried pay. Heck, now that I'm spelling this out, I'm realizing that I probably actually made more PER HOUR than he did! Although I do believe that income inequality existed years ago, my response to its existence today is "PSHAW". What I do see going on today between mine and my husband's profession and our son's, which is not the same profession but also white collar, is discrimination - specifically against the hiring of white men! Talk about an injustice. I am not in TV yet, and still in the work force and I can not tell you how many women have great jobs while their husbands are playing the stay-at-home parent role. And most times, it has not been by choice but necessity. Our society is definitely changing, I just question whether it is for the good. My gut feeling is that it is not.

Good analysis

Personal Best Regards:

My experience in Human Resources/Management included both market competitiveness and fairness in salary. The variables that effect salary are the starting salary you were hired at. Market forces sometime require bumps in all salary grades if this happened shortly after you were hired the person coming in behind you starts at a higher salary. Performance rating affects salary, as will your chosen occupation and industry. Another factor are the benefits you receive. some companies pay less but offer better benefits. a big factor is the profitability of a company as well as the economy in general.

Look at the folks who got caught in the 2008 recession.

All of this factors and more apply to determining a competitive salary/wage, except if your a private/public union then none of that matters because the union bosses /politicians have this quid pro quo arrangement you pretend to negotiate union demands on behalf of the interests of taxpayers and will pretend you are resisting our demands. so successful has this arrangement been, especially for public union that workers in the same occupation in the private sector have fallen far short in both compensation and benefits. Ergo public union pensions take up about 40% of a state's budget in many states.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

What some of you fail to realize is that the same job, same pay point can have different people at different total wages/salary.

When their is a personal evaluation and raises given I do certainly hope the advocates of equality are not meaning that everybody gets the same raises.
Because that is not the way it works. Better performance equal bigger pay increases for the same job. The bigger increases go to the better performer.

I took great pride in the fact that my entire life I was well rewarded because I did the job better than anybody else. I got bigger raises at my performance reviews. And I was earning more than those in similar positions. Pay for performance.

Without pay for performance we stiffle the rising stars.

And anyway who ever sain the non performers should be rewarded anymore than they do. They are lucky to keep their jobs.

There is no such thing as equality in a competitive environment.

Just another special interest, monority group with the media and politicians attention. Otherwise = BS!

You are so right. Otherwise, what is the incentive? Even the most dedicated, self-driven employee needs the occasional incentive and to feel valued and appreciated. Without pay for performance, the lazy just get lazier and the ambitious get frustrated. Nobody wins, especially the employer.

Originally Posted by Guest

Thank you. And I hope that you DO consider moving to TV when able. You would be a welcome neighbor.

We are working toward that goal. In the meantime, thanks for the kind words.

Originally Posted by Guest

As to income inequality, or NOT actually, i have a personal example to offer. My husband and I have the exact same level of education and have worked in the same profession for almost 40 years. My husband made more money than I did (oh woe is me-sarcasm on). Here's why - he had a management level position (again, same profession as me) for most of his career. I had a similar position for only a few years, then took leave to raise our son. I continued to work but only part-time, while he worked probably 50 to 60 hours per week on salaried pay. Heck, now that I'm spelling this out, I'm realizing that I probably actually made more PER HOUR than he did! Although I do believe that income inequality existed years ago, my response to its existence today is "PSHAW". What I do see going on today between mine and my husband's profession and our son's, which is not the same profession but also white collar, is discrimination - specifically against the hiring of white men! Talk about an injustice. I am not in TV yet, and still in the work force and I can not tell you how many women have great jobs while their husbands are playing the stay-at-home parent role. And most times, it has not been by choice but necessity. Our society is definitely changing, I just question whether it is for the good. My gut feeling is that it is not.

This is ALL due to quotas and affirmative action. Women get it too.

Be honest...looking back...would you have rather stayed home and raised your son with the neighborhood women and the neighborhood kids? Going to each others houses, going to the park together. Teaching your children YOUR values. Just plain teaching your children.

Or, do you think it's better that the mother duke it out in the corporate world or service industry and have their child "raised" (because that's what it is when your infant/toddler is with the same people 10 hours a day) by Lawanda making minimum wage? Lawanda IS raising your children. And you wonder why they're "different". No values, no sense of work ethic. Well duh! Look who "raised" them...it wasn't you. Look at their "friends" at preschool. You approve of all of them? Even that psychopath in the corner influencing your child? 15 minutes with the wrong kid can undo years of careful raising.

I think we peaked in the 50s. For a million years, the roles of men and women were what they were. We opened Pandora's box when we destroyed the family and roots.

Originally Posted by Guest

This is ALL due to quotas and affirmative action. Women get it too.

Be honest...looking back...would you have rather stayed home and raised your son with the neighborhood women and the neighborhood kids? Going to each others houses, going to the park together. Teaching your children YOUR values. Just plain teaching your children.

Or, do you think it's better that the mother duke it out in the corporate world or service industry and have their child "raised" (because that's what it is when your infant/toddler is with the same people 10 hours a day) by Lawanda making minimum wage? Lawanda IS raising your children. And you wonder why they're "different". No values, no sense of work ethic. Well duh! Look who "raised" them...it wasn't you. Look at their "friends" at preschool. You approve of all of them? Even that psychopath in the corner influencing your child? 15 minutes with the wrong kid can undo years of careful raising.

I think we peaked in the 50s. For a million years, the roles of men and women were what they were. We opened Pandora's box when we destroyed the family and roots.

Since you quoted my post, I'll respond by saying I agree with you. I hope you got that from my post. Perhaps you were just using my post to elaborate more on the premise. When my husband and I got married everything we purchased, including our house, was based on one income. We could have had so much more if i had continued to work but material things were not that important to us. It was more important that I was able to stay home to raise my son. The only reason i even worked part-time was because my profession is such that an extended leave would have prevented going back to the work force if the need arose to do so. I made sure that most of my working hours were when my husband was at home. I did enjoy doing all the things you mentioned in your "looking back" paragraph and the only thing I regret is that it went by too fast. It was the most important part of my life thus far.

Of course, there are families that struggle financially and both parents must work. This was true even for my own parents back in the 50's. The way they dealt with it back then was that my dad worked a day shift job and my mom worked evenings. It wasn't easy but they made it work. We were never left alone or with someone else unless it was family, and my mother had dinner on the table every night for us before she left for work. They worked hard both at their jobs and at home. I guess that's how my siblings and I developed such a good work ethic. The problem with many young people today is that they want it all and do not want to sacrifice to put their kids first. They think they are putting them first by being able to buy them everything they want and keeping up with the Joneses. They also often lack the support system. Families are far away and neighbors are not so close knit.

Anyway, we are not in disagreement. The world is a mess and it started with the loss of traditional family values as you said.

Originally Posted by Guest

Since you quoted my post, I'll respond by saying I agree with you. I hope you got that from my post. Perhaps you were just using my post to elaborate more on the premise.



Anyway, we are not in disagreement. The world is a mess and it started with the loss of traditional family values as you said.

Yes, I was elaborating...

It STARTED long before that...this is just one of many nails in the coffin.

Enjoy the bubble for as long as you can. It's getting seedier and seedier out there. Not the America I remember.