[quote=SteveZ ]
As all of this is in regards to the Palin household and how some have the feeling her kids "suffer" because she works - this is a two-parent household where the father is basically acting as the stay-most-of-the-time-at-home parent.

Mothers don't have a monopoly on child-rearing, advice-giving, skinned-knee patching, and all the other ups-and-downs with raising kids. The role of "father" seems to have become detached in these posts with an insinuation that only mothers matter. That seems a bit chauvanistic.

Originally Posted by Puterguru

That is exactly my point. She implies that the mother should be at home spending time with her kids but no mention of the father. Then states that she is for womens rights, working mom's etc. ???

A mother can work full time...make just as much money as the father...but still needs to be home for the children....

Two things:

mothers and fathers parent differently...mothers (typically) get more involved in the personal side of a teenagers life...they just have that intuition....

and a teenage girl needs her mother (as much as she claims to not like her mother...still needs her)

However....now stop yelling....I can see your point...there is another parent....and my comments seem sexist...I apologize....but I still think that a teenage girl can get away with murder with her father....a nothing with her mother....if she is home ENOUGH....not all the time....just enough!!

THIS IS MY OPINION...AS AN EX-TEENAGE GIRL(NOT SO LONG AGO IN MY OPINION) AND A MOTHER OF A SOON TO BE TEENAGE GIRL....THANKS FOR LISTENING.....

NOW I AM DEPRESSING MYSELF!!! :'(

Cassie

You say a mother can work full time but still needs to be home for the children,

You libs have said several times WHERE IS CHENEY has anyone seen him?

Maybe he was babysitting grandkids or something instead of being behind the curtain controlling GW.


OOOwherethehellishe?? Benj

Originally Posted by benj

Cassie

You say a mother can work full time but still needs to be home for the children,

You libs have said several times WHERE IS CHENEY has anyone seen him?

Maybe he was babysitting grandkids or something instead of being behind the curtain controlling GW.


OOOwherethehellishe?? Benj

I don't believe I have ever asked where Cheney is!!!!! EVER!!!


Actually benj, I don't even think about him...cause he is not around!!!

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OMG...I crack myself up......must have been the dancing tonight....I am too funny! Now I am going to get in trouble!

Thanks cassie you make my point for me. HA HA

You say " cause he's not around" Duh so If he's not around maybe Palin wouldnt be around and therefor would have lots of time to take care of her kids. You know the ones you think will be abandoned.

Where is OOOwishiwaspres??? Benj

benj

OOOwishyudshudup

Originally Posted by brightspot01

benj

OOOwishyudshudup

1rnfl 1rnfl Ohhhh Bright! I love you! I needed a good laugh tonight!

OOOhezanass! 1rnfl

Bright

OOOwishobamawouldshutup.

OOOwheredidchrismathewsgo???
come up with original ideas of your own...Benj

chelsea

Since all my OOO's reference Obama I assume you mean Obama is an ASS??

For someone as fair and open minded as you I'm surprised you have to resort to swearing but as others have mentioned here YOU are the best at namecalling. Is swearing fair game now?. I know how.

OOOishouldofbeenrepublican!!! Benj

Originally Posted by benj

chelsea

Since all my OOO's reference Obama I assume you mean Obama is an ASS??

For someone as fair and open minded as you I'm surprised you have to resort to swearing but as others have mentioned here YOU are the best at namecalling. Is swearing fair game now?. I know how.

OOOishouldofbeenrepublican!!! Benj

No Benj, that was not meant for Obama. Just a secret message to my wonderful friend Bright. Have a good evening, chels ;D

chels

You know there's a dictionary on your computer maybe you can find other words than swear words to articulate your positions. Boy if all we're going to do is swear at each other I'm going to have a blast.

OOOiwantthejet!!! Benj

Originally Posted by benj

chels

You know there's a dictionary on your computer maybe you can find other words than swear words to articulate your positions. Boy if all we're going to do is swear at each other I'm going to have a blast.

OOOiwantthejet!!! Benj

You have highjacked my thread!!! Stop it....time to call a truce! Be nice benj!!!

Cassie


DID I CALL ANYONE AN ASS???

Maybe you should ask Chels to be nice, I didn't swear at anyone Benj

Originally Posted by chelsea24

On most of this statement we do agree Susan. Except I do have a great deal of regard for Hillary.

My only point was on the flip side of the coin, I would be careful of who I wanted to point out as a role model to MY daughter. Just because a woman makes it to a certain position in her career, doesn't automatically make her a great role model. It's got to be the entire package, not just 'The Vagina Monologues'.

Here we agree also Chels...on the basic point that is. I would not want my daughter to model herself after Hillary just because she ran for Pres. Sarah would be just fine.

Cassie with all due respect your viewpoint is so narrowly focused on just your own experience.

You make equal pay only because of the struggles and demands of those women who came before you. Most women, even today, still do not equal the wages of their male counterpart, but at least now it is possible.

You are lucky to have found a job that values family first. I too have found those jobs in my lifetime, but I have also done the 80 hour a week jobs, while raising my children.

During those times, Tom had to step up his parenting. My opinion, the more a man is allowed to parent the better parent he is. I think women have historically pushed men away from the ugly or tedious parts of parenting by assuming men can't do it as well. Just as men pushed women away from the work world when it came to the management jobs. That is changing.

Your comment about a teen needing her mother's discipline because she can wrap dad around her finger. That must be your story, it is not the story of all women.

If women want equality, we must be equal, to be equal, men must be equal. It doesn't matter who is home with the kids and who has the biggest career. It all just has to get done however, a couple want to divide the responsibilities.

cassie

So chels calls me an ass. I ask her if she meant Obama is an ass she says no I'm an ass I ask her if she could find other words to use ,then you ask ME to be nice then I ask you if you would ask chels to be nice and here I sit waiting for you to ask her, and nothing. Could you be biased? Benj

Originally Posted by Susan&Tom

Here we agree also Chels...on the basic point that is. I would not want my daughter to model herself after Hillary just because she ran for Pres. Sarah would be just fine.

Cassie with all due respect your viewpoint is so narrowly focused on just your own experience.

You make equal pay only because of the struggles and demands of those women who came before you. Most women, even today, still do not equal the wages of their male counterpart, but at least now it is possible.

You are lucky to have found a job that values family first. I too have found those jobs in my lifetime, but I have also done the 80 hour a week jobs, while raising my children.

During those times, Tom had to step up his parenting. My opinion, the more a man is allowed to parent the better parent he is. I think women have historically pushed men away from the ugly or tedious parts of parenting by assuming men can't do it as well. Just as men pushed women away from the work world when it came to the management jobs. That is changing.

Your comment about a teen needing her mother's discipline because she can wrap dad around her finger. That must be your story, it is not the story of all women.

If women want equality, we must be equal, to be equal, men must be equal. It doesn't matter who is home with the kids and who has the biggest career. It all just has to get done however, a couple want to divide the responsibilities.

Susan...while I respect and appreciate what you have said here....you really should not assume that this is MY story.....in fact it is not....just my opinion.

I was a single mom and made it work by fighting and proving my worth....that I would not only have time at home with my family but also equal pay. It was not "luck" that brought me to the job I am in now...it was smart work on my part....

Perhaps Tom was a good parent and did his part...good for him and for you and for your children...

I also will say that while my mother went back to get her masters...while working full time....my father did his part.....they were a team....so this has nothing to do with my upbringing either just in case anyone questions that....but times are a little different now a days....at least in my opinion...I could go on and on with my opinions....not my experience or story....but we will just agree to disagree I guess.....

As for my comment about a daughter needing her mother especially in her teen years....sometimes it is just a womens intuition....I am sure that has no facts to back it up....but a mother knows when her child needs help.....a mother just knows!!!