[Byte1]

BUT...............I don't believe we can completely blame China for COVID, when it came from here and then was given to them for research and development into whatever.......
I guess we will never get the whole truth about it.....since it will probably embarrass D.C. a bit it the truth came out.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

ONE MILLION US citizens died from Covid, basically, before the VERY EFFECTIVE shots were available. Some that refused the shots have died. And SOME died that need NOT have died because they were infected by asymptomatic individuals that basically killed others by refusing to take the well-tested and VERY EFFECTIVE CV shots. There has NEVER been a perfect vaccine and really NOTHING in life is PERFECT, even me. The Covid shots are very close to perfect and if they had taken longer to develop, we may have had 2 million Americans DIE from Covid. So, that is something to be grateful for.

From? No, they died WITH Covid...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I don't believe that COVID is related to warming or cooling.

But it has to be related to the Coral Reefs dying, right?

[MrChip72]

How a climate change "debate" got morphed into a platform for some people clinging to questionable opinions on COVID vaccines after 2 years of data from multiple countries is beyond me.

Especially the same people saying that the China vaccines are no good, and the US ones are better, but still fake at the same time.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Maybe. One million died during or after having tested positive for COVID, how many died BECAUSE of Covid is debatable. And then there were the reports of those that were DOA after an accident and tested positive post-mortem. All I can say is the true number is probably less than a million and more than zero.

OK, I can go along with a MAYBE on the CDC figure with respect to Covid deaths. I don't have access to any better numbers or any reason to question their statistics. That said, the Covid death count is STILL going up, but, thankfully, at a rate much less than during the Delta surge. I recently heard a Doctor on TV say that Covid hospitalizations have recently risen 40% to the point of causing problems for some Hospitals. And he was worried about the combination of Holiday travel and colder winter weather.

As a medical note .....recent research has produced a nasal inhaler that takes the place of a Covid shot. I am sure that you are aware of this. The problem was stated that the inhaler concept REQUIRED more money to be invested and that may NOT happen. Any thoughts?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK, I can go along with a MAYBE on the CDC figure with respect to Covid deaths. I don't have access to any better numbers or any reason to question their statistics. That said, the Covid death count is STILL going up, but, thankfully, at a rate much less than during the Delta surge. I recently heard a Doctor on TV say that Covid hospitalizations have recently risen 40% to the point of causing problems for some Hospitals. And he was worried about the combination of Holiday travel and colder winter weather.

As a medical note .....recent research has produced a nasal inhaler that takes the place of a Covid shot. I am sure that you are aware of this. The problem was stated that the inhaler concept REQUIRED more money to be invested and that may NOT happen. Any thoughts?

Just one thought about this "Cooling Is Coming" thread ... why has the earth been cooling for the last 7 years? Or better yet, why is the earth experiencing record cold and record snowfalls so early? Both Bloomberg and the Telegraph (and others) all said there will be no more snow, and children will suffer from not knowing what snow is. And yet, they are sledding and skiing in England -- and it ain't even winter yet.

[Hardlyworking]

I’ll give up my gas burner when the climate czars all give up their private jets and 7000 sq ft mansions as well as contributing 90% of their net worth to the cause. Put up or shut up.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I don't believe that COVID is related to warming or cooling.

There IS a relationship. Today's modern world is FULL of interrelationships, especially between the US and China, which we know are the world's biggest polluters. And China currently has a population of 1.4 Billion people. The world population is about 8 Trillion compare to about 1 Trillion in 1800. The Chinese middle-class increased rapidly and they are all driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel, which is greatly adding to the problems of Global Warming. So, the Chinese population is a big factor in the increasing or decreasing pressure on Global Warming. China has handled its Covid problem badly and is desperate for a solution. Their Covid problem has decreased their factory outputs and decreased their middle class's driving habits. The overall result could (?) be to
produce less EXCESS CO2 and be good for the planet's environment and, hopefully, help combat Global Warming.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

From? No, they died WITH Covid...

Isn't that what people call "a distinction without a difference"?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Isn't that what people call "a distinction without a difference"?

Nope. Big difference. I know of people who died in auto accidents who were diagnosed post-mortem with Covid. Guess what went on their death certificate? The CDC even has guidelines how post-mortem swabs that reveal COVID should be treated:


Collection and Submission of Postmortem Specimens from Deceased Persons with Confirmed or Suspected COVID-19

Postmortem Guidance
Updated Apr. 4, 2022
(CDC Website)

And not just accident victims. I personally knew a guy who was hospitalized for COVID. He was uneventfully recovering: I called him and he was looking forward to getting out and back to work. That night, he died of a cardiac arrest.

Another COVID statistic? You can bet the farm on that.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

But it has to be related to the Coral Reefs dying, right?

Do you mean the dreaded, "Fish Covid" starting on coral reefs and migrating to the Arctic Ocean and causing the icebergs to melt?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There IS a relationship. Today's modern world is FULL of interrelationships, especially between the US and China, which we know are the world's biggest polluters. And China currently has a population of 1.4 Billion people. The world population is about 8 Trillion compare to about 1 Trillion in 1800. The Chinese middle-class increased rapidly and they are all driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel, which is greatly adding to the problems of Global Warming. So, the Chinese population is a big factor in the increasing or decreasing pressure on Global Warming. China has handled its Covid problem badly and is desperate for a solution. Their Covid problem has decreased their factory outputs and decreased their middle class's driving habits. The overall result could (?) be to
produce less EXCESS CO2 and be good for the planet's environment and, hopefully, help combat Global Warming.

8 TRILLION people?

You sure about that?

And just repeating non sequiturs doesn't an argument make...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Isn't that what people call "a distinction without a difference"?

Not at all.

You can have psoriasis when you die and not die from psoriasis...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Do you mean the dreaded, "Fish Covid" starting on coral reefs and migrating to the Arctic Ocean and causing the icebergs to melt?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

There IS a relationship. Today's modern world is FULL of interrelationships, especially between the US and China, which we know are the world's biggest polluters. And China currently has a population of 1.4 Billion people. The world population is about 8 Trillion compare to about 1 Trillion in 1800. The Chinese middle-class increased rapidly and they are all driving vehicles that are burning fossil fuel, which is greatly adding to the problems of Global Warming. So, the Chinese population is a big factor in the increasing or decreasing pressure on Global Warming. China has handled its Covid problem badly and is desperate for a solution. Their Covid problem has decreased their factory outputs and decreased their middle class's driving habits. The overall result could (?) be to
produce less EXCESS CO2 and be good for the planet's environment and, hopefully, help combat Global Warming.

There's an old saying that seem relevant now,. " I have to call BS on that..."