[lpkruege1]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

Funny you should ask. If it saves one life. What about the lives the vaccines take? What about the real health consequences some people are susceptible to? Everyone has to make their own choice to get vaccinated. CDC says there is 0.65 % mortality rate for those infected with Covid 19. Yet there are those that have died or developed severe reactions to the vaccine. How many lives lost to vaccination is acceptable to you?
F.D.A. Attaches Warning of Rare Nerve Syndrome to Johnson & Johnson Covid Vaccine

[charmed59]

The Delta variant may be the way this pandemic ends. It spreads so fast everyone will soon come in contact with it. If they are immune it won’t take root. If they aren’t they will catch it. If they recover they too will be immune.

So the only choice is how you chose to be immune, get vaccinated and almost assuredly get immunity. Or catch it and almost assuredly get immunity.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

Well the difference in those who elect not to wear seat belts, smoke, it only effects them.

[donassaid]

Gee, I don't know. I wonder if the spike in serious side effects and deaths among healthy people who took an experimental gene therapy shot for a virus with a better than 99% survival rate has caused those who took one or more of the shots to have 2nd thoughts?

[donassaid]

According to Fauci and the CDC, being "vaccinated" does NOT assure that you will be immune to the variant. If you want to believe Fauci, then you must believe everything he says, not part of it.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe

Well the difference in those who elect not to wear seat belts, smoke, it only effects them.

Not really. If you smoke, you overeat, you don’t exercise, then everyone pays higher insurance rates to cover your hospitalization and treatments. So it effects everyone…
And if you’re vaccinated, then you are protected, unless you don’t believe that the vaccine actually protects you…

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by lpkruege1

Funny you should ask. If it saves one life. What about the lives the vaccines take? What about the real health consequences some people are susceptible to? Everyone has to make their own choice to get vaccinated. CDC says there is 0.65 % mortality rate for those infected with Covid 19. Yet there are those that have died or developed severe reactions to the vaccine. How many lives lost to vaccination is acceptable to you?
F.D.A. Attaches Warning of Rare Nerve Syndrome to Johnson & Johnson Covid Vaccine

I have not seen that 0.65% number, the last number I have seen and the number I get when I do the math is closer to 1.5% or 1.8%.

You seem to use that 0.65% number as a low number; it really isn't, but for the moment let's take it as low. You then include that article to question whether the vaccines are safe. In the article it says that the syndrome has occurred 10 times as frequently after having the J&J vaccine than is generally expected. "10 times" sounds frighteningly high but what are the numbers? The article says that 100 cases have developed after 12.8M injections. My calculator says that the occurrence of the syndrome in those vaccinated with the J&J vaccine is approximately 0.00078% or about 1,000 times LESS than your low number for the COVID death rate.

So take your pick, one case of a possibly serious syndrome out of every 100,000 injections or 1 permanent death out of every 100 infections.

Even the article you posted has this statement:

... “They’ll say, ‘Aha, see, I was right.’ But they’re not right.”

The risk is low enough, he added, that “for people trying to make a rational decision, this should not influence their decision to get vaccinated.”

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Gee, I don't know. I wonder if the spike in serious side effects and deaths among healthy people who took an experimental gene therapy shot for a virus with a better than 99% survival rate has caused those who took one or more of the shots to have 2nd thoughts?

You know it might IF the shots were gene therapy and IF they were experimental and IF there was a spike and IF the virus had a better than 99% survival rate. But since none of those are true.....

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz

This is why I don’t trust Big Pharmaceutical and why I will not get the shot

By one estimate, taking prescribed medications is the fourth leading cause of death among Americans. Americans are taking more medications than ever before. Nearly 60 to 70 percent of us take at least one prescribed drug, depending upon the estimate; for many it amounts to a fistful, potpourri of pills per day.

This not not count how many get ill or end up in care. My friend has been in a nursing home for 5 years because of her meds.

Why people trust Big Pharmaceutical is beyond me

As a former pharmacist I'd like to address this. From my experience there were three types of people. Some always wanted a pill from their doctor and they would have pages of prescriptions but were usually the sickest. Then there were those, like yourself, that didn't trust scientific evidence and wanted nothing. Now many of those people had no problem taking unregulated "herbals" obtained over the counter and costing plenty. Wondering if you take any supplements like that? then there are the people who may have to take a prescription medication for a valid reason, say thyroid medication or blood pressure. Many of these take only a very few necessary ones to control their condition and they were usually the among the healthiest (only beat by those who took none.)

yes, polypharmacy exists and it's a big problem especially among the elderly. I recently helped a neighbor sort thru her meds and there were many duplicate class of meds because she failed to realize she was supposed to stop one when another started. it's vitally important that patients know what they are taking and why they are taking it. if you use a local retail pharmacy you can ask for counseling from the pharmacist. it you use a mail in system, you can call because they should have pharmacists available to do the same.

but to just make a blanket statement that anything that comes from Big Pharma is questionable is unfortunate.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

I’ve been diligently trying to learn if the variant is deadly, but have not been able to do so. I understand it to be fast spreading, but so is flu and the common cold. Is there a spike in deaths along with the spike in cases?

guess we'll have to wait and see--but wouldn't want this to have happened to my child.

7 Children in Intensive Care, 2 on Life Support, in Mississippi as State Sees Surge in Delta Variant Cases | PEOPLE.com

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

It's horrifying to see this weasel on television.

Please.......first, one only wishes they could be as smart.
2) he has had nothing but pushback from people w/o brains and
3) the people that can't get out of their own way...well most likely won't be around if they catch the delta strain. They had every chance to help themselves, they put their cause in front of their own health, or future....I don't get it.
I will agree there was a extremely small amount of risk by vaccinating, but I truly believe we are going to see allot of sickness and death very very soon.
Sorry folks...there were no chips inside, no tracers, Bill Gates is not involved in a conspiracy...it was/is a horrendous pandemic and we have a 99% fix.
We were lead to the water....now drink

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by allsport

I have had a series of doctor appointments over the last month and am amazed about the lack of vaccine administration to staff in their offices. Vaccines should be a condition of employment, period, in order to protect the patients that you serve. The VA is making it a condition of employment and in most cities medical centers are doing the same. Complain when you go to the doc if the staff is not vaccinated. Ask ALL staff that question. I have had people tell me it is not my business and I said actually it is if you are in this enclosed room with me.

Lack of vaccines amongst healthcare workers..... just think about that for a moment. WHY would a previously assumed intelligent person not accept the vaccine?

Vaccine a condition of employment.... careful what you wish for. There's many out there that will quit the industry before they agree to this vaccine. That's how strong THEY feel.

Ask all staff if they're vaccinated..... You're very likely to get some not so polite responses. And deservedly so.

[nick demis]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It would seem there is a message in the current run up in numbers of "cases".

Is the infection and or death rate acceptable to those choosing to not vaccinate?

The politicians, the media and ultimately medical experts are flip flopping daily and even within the day!

Any different than those who elect to not wear seat belts? Who elect to continue smoking? We don't see these numbers being reported daily in the headlines!!
What is the difference?

If you want to get vaccinated, do if, if not, don't. It has gotten to the point of, "who cares". What ever happened to the, "you mind your business and I'll mind mine".

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Becca9800

Lack of vaccines amongst healthcare workers..... just think about that for a moment. WHY would a previously assumed intelligent person not accept the vaccine?

Vaccine a condition of employment.... careful what you wish for. There's many out there that will quit the industry before they agree to this vaccine. That's how strong THEY feel.

Ask all staff if they're vaccinated..... You're very likely to get some not so polite responses. And deservedly so.

Previous assumptions were incorrect.

[Becca9800]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

guess we'll have to wait and see--but wouldn't want this to have happened to my child.

7 Children in Intensive Care, 2 on Life Support, in Mississippi as State Sees Surge in Delta Variant Cases | PEOPLE.com

Well of course, no one would want that to happen to any child.

Were the kids in ICU under 12? Couldn't have had the vaccine in any event, they don't qualify if under 12 yo. The article also doesn't discuss the kids health histories. Are these cases where the kid has significant co-morbidities? We're all too well aware that those w co-morbidities were THE most vulnerable with the first wave of C19? Is there reason yet to believe this isn't the case w this latest wave?

I've read several articles who cite studies that show while this Delta variant is more contagious, it is not more deadly.