[HMLRHT1]

Tipping is a gratuity not a requirement. We should tip when we feel it is deserved not when someone else in society says we have to. If we have to then make it part of the bill. I generally tip 20% for full service but I rarely tip for takeout such as Chinese or pizza. Ice cream I usually put in a buck. But it's what I want to pay not what u decide I should pay. That is unless u want to give me some of your money ur so generous with? And yes my children have worked restuarants and they have to split the tips amongst everyone including the cooks. I have been told by all the conservative tea party people that if I don't like what I get payed or the benefits(lack of ) then nobody forced me to work there so I should go get another job. Then I guess their advice is good for rveryone else too.

[nonseniorresident]

Being a considerate person also isn't a requirement, yet most feel it their duty as a human being.

[memason]

Originally Posted by nonseniorresident

Being a considerate person also isn't a requirement, yet most feel it their duty as a human being.

Tell me what a server should do for the wage they are paid [ as pitiful as it might be] without getting a tip? What should I expect ? What should I expect that I would pay more for?

Just having a crappy job and crappy salary doesn't count....

Please tell us.

[nonseniorresident]

Originally Posted by memason

Tell me what a server should do for the wage they are paid [ as pitiful as it might be] without getting a tip? What should I expect ? What should I expect that I would pay more for?

Just having a crappy job and crappy salary doesn't count....

Please tell us.

Sorry I don't understand the question. Are you asking what you should expect if you tipped nothing?

[memason]

Originally Posted by nonseniorresident

Sorry I don't understand the question. Are you asking what you should expect if you tipped nothing?

Yes....what is a server PAID to do?

[nonseniorresident]

Originally Posted by memason

Yes....what is a server PAID to do?

As a start...

1) Carry food, silverware, and/or linen on trays, or use carts to carry trays.

2) Place food servings on plates and trays according to orders or instructions.

3) Prepare food items such as sandwiches, salads, soups, and beverages.

4) Examine trays to ensure that they contain required items.

5) Load trays with accessories such as eating utensils, napkins, and condiments.

6) Monitor food distribution, ensuring that meals are delivered to the correct recipients and that guidelines such as those for special diets are followed.

7) Remove trays and stack dishes for return to kitchen after meals are finished.

8) Stock service stations with items such as ice, napkins, and straws.

9) Take food orders and relay orders to kitchens or serving counters so they can be filled.

10) Clean and sterilize dishes, kitchen utensils, equipment, and facilities.

11) Determine where patients or patrons would like to eat their meals and help them get situated.

12) Monitor food preparation and serving techniques to ensure that proper procedures are followed.

13) Record amounts and types of special food items served to customers.

14) Total checks, present them to customers, and accept payment for services.

Even though a super-advanced robot could do some of those tasks, the main component of any hospitality establishment is the intangible product of quality service. That's where the tip comes in is how efficient the above tasks were performed, as well as how "at home" and welcomed you were treated. Serving is an artform which viewed as such requires passion and drive along with hard work. That is one-of-a-kind.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by nonseniorresident

As a start...

1) Carry food, silverware, and/or linen on trays, or use carts to carry trays.

2) Place food servings on plates and trays according to orders or instructions.

3) Prepare food items such as sandwiches, salads, soups, and beverages.

4) Examine trays to ensure that they contain required items.

5) Load trays with accessories such as eating utensils, napkins, and condiments.

6) Monitor food distribution, ensuring that meals are delivered to the correct recipients and that guidelines such as those for special diets are followed.

7) Remove trays and stack dishes for return to kitchen after meals are finished.

8) Stock service stations with items such as ice, napkins, and straws.

9) Take food orders and relay orders to kitchens or serving counters so they can be filled.

10) Clean and sterilize dishes, kitchen utensils, equipment, and facilities.

11) Determine where patients or patrons would like to eat their meals and help them get situated.

12) Monitor food preparation and serving techniques to ensure that proper procedures are followed.

13) Record amounts and types of special food items served to customers.

14) Total checks, present them to customers, and accept payment for services.

Even though a super-advanced robot could do some of those tasks, the main component of any hospitality establishment is the intangible product of quality service. That's where the tip comes in is how efficient the above tasks were performed, as well as how "at home" and welcomed you were treated. Serving is an artform which viewed as such requires passion and drive along with hard work. That is one-of-a-kind.

Add to that list:

15) Treat every customer like a king, even when he/she has no manners and treats you like a doormat.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

My takeout is pizza and Chinese. These are basically takeout restaurants. Why should I have to tip them?

I 100% agree not to tip EVER for take-out unless they give you something for free. It's just unfair to not get to tip the cashiers at fast food restaurants for counter service, but can others. I tip in a *FAIR* manner. If I can't tip them, why should I tip you? Tipping should be FAIR, not unfair.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by Living The Life Too

Tipping for take out is a new thing! Never considered back in the day! Suddenly someone decided to put a jar out for tips and it took off. I know many places won't allow it.

A tip at a buffet is less then a full service restaurant,

We tip for service. If I drive out to get it, I don't tip. When I was younger, I did both. Carry out was not full service. The food has to be prepared regardless. If you want to make a tip, you work at a place that gives full service and THEN, you give GOOD service for the tip. You don't get a tip just because you waited on me!

You don't get a tip because you "smiled" I do that all day long and don't expect a tip.

I completely agree with this 100%!! I know that they didn't have tip jars back in the day at Subway or Pizza hut for COUNTER service, this is all NEW. If it was OK a long time ago, it STILL should be OK. Tipping shouldn't just all of a sudden change, what's next people will start tipping for all fast food, seriously, then stores like walmart, for real, tip jars are getting out of hand. I worked at a donut shop/diner where I was counter help about 10yrs ago, which of course I wanted tips, but I NEVER EXPECTED tips for drive-thru or to-go orders, because that's fast food work, nothing more. I don't understand WHY people EXPECT tips for doing fast food cashier work when those people aren't getting tips, why should anyone else doing the *SAME EXACT* JOB, HUH?

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by redwitch

For those that do not tip when ordering takeout at a sit-down restaurant, consider this: Many restaurants actually have the takeout be for an entire shift that is rotated between servers. This means that for that day, the server has less tables (takeout is considered the equivalent of one or two tables).

So, they have the "joy" of:

1. If you don't like the job, you don't have to do that type of job. No one is making you.

2. Do you realize there is not ONE thing even that a cashier at a fast food place does for counter service for no tip does for me LESS than a take-out person does at a non-fast food restaurant? I have gotten *CASHIERS* that's right, *CASHIERS* give me condiments in cups(mac sauce, mayo, mustard), THEM putting it in the cups for NO TIP. I have had a cashier at Wendy's LITERALLY put my burger together for NO TIP what-so-ever. It's UNFAIR if I tip you, but I can't tip that person at Wendy's or McDonald's for doing sometimes *MORE WORK* even. Think about it, if I order a pasta dish at Applebee's, you aren't working as hard as the workers are to do those things I just mentioned, it's true, you aren't. They have an all-in-one utensil bag unlike at McDonald's where they have separate boxes for forks, knives, pepper, etc. That means the McDonald's cashier is doing more work than that Applebee's cashier handing me that pasta dish. It's TRUE, you cannot deny the truth.

Even if I get something more complicated like a burger and fries at Applebee's, I am still receiving the same amount of service that the cashiers gave me. You aren't doing more work, so you should receive EQUAL PAY from the customer. If you aren't getting paid more working the to-go area, then you might want to consider talking to your boss about it or work somewhere else that pays you for your fast food cashier work you are doing, because that's what it is, fast food cashier work.

3. So dine-in customers are supposed to be holier than thou as if they are more important. Talk about just thinking about yourself and how UNFAIR you are being. If you want an hourly wage, WORK AT A PLACE THAT PAYS HOURLY, otherwise, quit complaining if you are making more than a fast food restaurant then.

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by missypie

We tip on take-out.

Just 10% unless I've asked for something off the menu that is made special for me, then 20% for sure.

Why? Do you realize you aren't tipping in a "FAIR" manner? Name ONE thing that to-go servers do more than fast food cashiers. Since the workers at fast food restaurants for counter service aren't allowed to accept tips, WHY do you feel it's fair to tip someone for take-out, huh?

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I used to not tip for take out, thinking that it was nothing to bag my order and hand it to me. After watching my daughter when she worked at Applebee's, I changed my mind. There is actually more work entailed in a takeout than there is in serving someone at a table. So, takeout now gets at least 20% from a sit-down restaurant. A Starbucks, Dunkin-Donut, etc. gets $1.00 and any change that came with the order. If there is a takeout counter (like at a deli), it is $1-3, depending on how much I order and what is self-serve. Delivery is $1-5, depending on amount of bill and distance. Strangely, I've even been known to tip at a fast food restaurant like Burger King if the person taking my order or delivering my food got me to smile or just generally feel good.

Do you realize the worker at Burger King can get FIRED for accepting tips, huh?

It's not ANYMORE work AT ALL than the fast food cashiers give for counter service. Also, WHY reduce the tip for a to-go order at Dunkin Donuts just because it's not a sit-down restaurant? That's tipping in a UNFAIR manner. Why not tip the same for the same work, huh?

If you are a Starbucks and just get coffee, do you realize McDonald's cashiers do this for NO TIP NOW?

Take-out should get NO tip, that's what is *FAIR*!!

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by tweety bird

i don't tip if i pick something up. I did all the work!!!!!!!! And, the reason i pick it up is so i don't have to tip. Enough is enough.

exactly!!

[Springs1]

Originally Posted by Francie

I absolutely tip for takeout. 10%. The server on takeout duty has to package all the food, condiments, side orders, utensils, etc. They typically are assigned the take out station for their shift, hence do not have the opportunity to earn as much in tips as the other servers.

Takeout is a convenience and the servers have to prepare your order, so at least a small tip is appropriate.

The server doing all of those things are things fast food cashiers do for no tip for counter service. It is 100% UNFAIR to tip one, but not the other. WHY do you tip unfairly, huh?

The cashiers have to prepare my order to like at Wendy's as I said in one of the above posts, a *CASHIER* LITERALLY put my burger together. She put mayo on the bun, cheese, lettuce, and onions. She also put in a cup mayo. She put in another cup mustard. She also filled my cup with ice and dr. pepper. Someone else did put the fries, but she did the rest of putting it together. Of course she didn't cook the burger or fries, but so doesn't the to-go server either.

Why you people want to be UNFAIR when you tip, huh? I just don't get it, I really, really don't?

[nonseniorresident]

Originally Posted by Springs1

The server doing all of those things are things fast food cashiers do for no tip for counter service. It is 100% UNFAIR to tip one, but not the other. WHY do you tip unfairly, huh?

The cashiers have to prepare my order to like at Wendy's as I said in one of the above posts, a *CASHIER* LITERALLY put my burger together. She put mayo on the bun, cheese, lettuce, and onions. She also put in a cup mayo. She put in another cup mustard. She also filled my cup with ice and dr. pepper. Someone else did put the fries, but she did the rest of putting it together. Of course she didn't cook the burger or fries, but so doesn't the to-go server either.

Why you people want to be UNFAIR when you tip, huh? I just don't get it, I really, really don't?

The difference is that a one is fast food, one is a full-service dining establishment. They do not have "cashiers" they have Servers that are paid 1/2 (or less) of what these "cashiers" get paid because they work for tips. If you disagree with that and don't want to tip 10% for a Server to put together your order and deliver it in a fast, efficient, and convenient manner, then have the decency to order takeout from a takeout place like chinese or pizza.