[TrudyM]

Didn't I read that one of the reasons for the gate is there are apartments or homes being built on that side that are using access via golf cart to your area as a selling point. Are all the entrances to stone crest open to all? I thought it was a gated community? I am not there so trying to understand through your posts.

[redwitch]

Actually, I think a fee for a gate pass for non-residents would be a more than fair solution. If we're honest about it, they really don't add enough golf cart traffic to really make a difference. I don't think full amenity fee would be fair -- they don't have access to our clubs, recreation centers, pools, etc. Yes, some cheat and take advantage of those things, but those that would do so whether by car or cart.

Taking a cart to LSL from Stonecrest would be onerous for most -- it's a far distance and done far more easily by car.

FYI -- One main reason I'm for "outsiders" using golf carts here is that our parking is so limited as it is and two carts in one spot is a lot better than one car in the same spot.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Actually, I think a fee for a gate pass for non-residents would be a more than fair solution. If we're honest about it, they really don't add enough golf cart traffic to really make a difference. I don't think full amenity fee would be fair -- they don't have access to our clubs, recreation centers, pools, etc. Yes, some cheat and take advantage of those things, but those that would do so whether by car or cart.

Taking a cart to LSL from Stonecrest would be onerous for most -- it's a far distance and done far more easily by car.

FYI -- One main reason I'm for "outsiders" using golf carts here is that our parking is so limited as it is and two carts in one spot is a lot better than one car in the same spot.

Redwitch, the problem would be precedent. If the surrounding counties deem the trails must be accessible to outlying communities, you would not be able to exclude anyone. Now you're talking lots of carts on the cart paths, which would most likely include a good number of carts from Fruitland Park since they are able to use their golf carts on many roads.

[Bryan]

Unfortunately, Stonecrest is in Marion County and that transportation system was not posted (if it exists - I have no idea).

Also, no argument that anyone can drive their golf cart in the marked lanes on the public roads (like Morse) or the unmarked public roads benind the gates of most villages. As Villagers, we pay for the privilege of driving our golf carts on the "multinodal paths" our money built and maintains which are not part of the public road system, as is the golf cart bridge and most of the tunnels. Want to drive on those paths - move to The Villages and pay your part.

[Pepperhead]

It looks like they are cooking the books. Only 26% of the surveys were returned, but they are presenting the statistics as if they apply to 100% of the residents.

[whitelion]

Is Stonecrest accessible to golf carts from The Villages? Just curious.

[redwitch]

Originally Posted by Peachie

Redwitch, the problem would be precedent. If the surrounding counties deem the trails must be accessible to outlying communities, you would not be able to exclude anyone. Now you're talking lots of carts on the cart paths, which would most likely include a good number of carts from Fruitland Park since they are able to use their golf carts on many roads.

But Fruitland Park carts are prohibited from using 466A, so, unless street legal, how would they get here? And I sincerely doubt it would be lots of carts from any outlying areas -- the distance is just too great and the hazards even greater.

Wish we could get an actual count of the number of carts that would be added to the paths if allowed or maybe set up something that carts would be able to go no further than Brownwood for Fruitland Park/Wildwood residents and no further than Spanish Springs for residents off of 441.

I do understand the Developer's reasons. I don't understand TV residents' reasoning and, quite honestly, I hope I never do.

[rubicon]

Well well well ....Stonecrest residents protest too much, methinks
The medical angle being used in Stonecrest's POA letter is a red herring. Stop and ask yourself if someone was not able to drive a car to a medial appointment do you really believe they would be in good enough health to drive a cart? and if it is true then make it street legal

Clearly the claim that only a few Stonecrest residents were utilizing Village cart paths was pure bravado.

Based on the wording of the Stonecrest letter I suspect their entire community or close to it were joy riding on our golf cart paths free.

Given the population explosion here it does make an appreciable difference
on traffic congestion.

Despite some people's claim that Stonecrest residents will not, the people of Stonecrest will continue to come to the Town Square ,restaurants etc in The Villages only now by automobile unless they own a street legal golf cart.

If the Developer is responsible for installing the gate then I applaud him and thank him. Now I believe we need to utilize our gate passes for all of the gates for any other entrances were non village golf cart drivers can gain access.

[skip0358]

Fruitland Park asked for it as a consideration for The Villages of Fruitland Park that was a no no. Wildwood wanted access via a new path on 466A that was shot down by Sumter County. I'm sure they try again off of 44A when the new Villas go in on the West side of Brownwood. They don't pay to use the MM paths or build them. There's a stink being made about the traffic on Colony Blvd. Yes the paths are getting crowded and are only going to get worse by our own residents who paid for them and pay to maintain them. If you don't live here drive your car or take a cab if you have to get here. Period. JMO

[loonlovers]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Well well well ....Stonecrest residents protest too much, methinks
The medical angle being used in Stonecrest's POA letter is a red herring. Stop and ask yourself if someone was not able to drive a car to a medial appointment do you really believe they would be in good enough health to drive a cart? and if it is true then make it street legal

Clearly the claim that only a few Stonecrest residents were utilizing Village cart paths was pure bravado.

Based on the wording of the Stonecrest letter I suspect their entire community or close to it were joy riding on our golf cart paths free.

Given the population explosion here it does make an appreciable difference
on traffic congestion.

Despite some people's claim that Stonecrest residents will not, the people of Stonecrest will continue to come to the Town Square ,restaurants etc in The Villages only now by automobile unless they own a street legal golf cart.

If the Developer is responsible for installing the gate then I applaud him and thank him. Now I believe we need to utilize our gate passes for all of the gates for any other entrances were non village golf cart drivers can gain access.

Rubicon, I don't always agree with your posts, but this time I must say I agree completely. Where does access end...Spruce Creek can now cross RT 441 and soon we will have the Villages of Fruitland Park. Should we also have open gates for these two communities as well as the new assisted care facility close to the Paradise Park gate.

If the Stonecrest POA is genuinely concerned with medical access for its residents, perhaps it can establish a transportation network within its own community.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by redwitch

But Fruitland Park carts are prohibited from using 466A, so, unless street legal, how would they get here? And I sincerely doubt it would be lots of carts from any outlying areas -- the distance is just too great and the hazards even greater.

Wish we could get an actual count of the number of carts that would be added to the paths if allowed or maybe set up something that carts would be able to go no further than Brownwood for Fruitland Park/Wildwood residents and no further than Spanish Springs for residents off of 441.

I do understand the Developer's reasons. I don't understand TV residents' reasoning and, quite honestly, I hope I never do.

Red, if you look at the situation as if all planned development is complete, Fruitland Park wouldn't come into the equation. However, if Stonecrest is given the green light to access to The Villages and the Village of Fruitland Park, that is currently in the works, gets the go ahead; Fruitland Park would probably quickly build a golf cart path to the fenced perimeter of that village and petition Lake County for access to The Villages multimodal paths. In effect, so it's citizenry could access all the services contained within The Villages and not cause them "hardship".

Keep in mind that Spruce Creek South would love direct access to The Villages and what would keep the business south of Rolling Acres Road from petitioning that county for a golf cart bridge to cross Rolling Acres Road. Who doesn't want direct access to what the Morse family has created?

I think one has to look at a map and the total picture to see what open access to Villages multimodal paths would entail.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by loonlovers

Rubicon, I don't always agree with your posts, but this time I must say I agree completely. Where does access end...Spruce Creek can now cross RT 441 and soon we will have the Villages of Fruitland Park. Should we also have open gates for these two communities as well as the new assisted care facility close to the Paradise Park gate.

If the Stonecrest POA is genuinely concerned with medical access for its residents, perhaps it can establish a transportation network within its own community.

loonlovers: Thank you

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[Peachie]

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[Marigold]

I researched where was the best place to retire and chose The Villages. I paid for my home and continue to pay a monthly amenities fee to maintain the lifestyle of my community.
I have read many posts where people who have decided to move to other retirement communities want what I PAY FOR. I personally have spoken to some of these people who live in outside communities who brag about their larger homes for less money, etc.

There has to be a bottom line....you chose to live there, you get what you paid or are paying for. I live here and get what I paid or am paying for.

I went to the Stonecrest website and believe that there is a big misconception on it.
Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida
They are publicizing (promoting) that their residents can take a golf cart ride to ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE VILLAGES.

Medical facilities can be reached by car. Stonecrest and any other communities could make arrangements for thei residents.