[Golfingnut]

Tiger: Good
Sergio: Bad

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by bulldogskid

The 2 marshalls on the hole in question, have a diiferent version than Tiger.

Marshal: I didn't say anything to Tiger about Sergio

Well, when they heard that remark from Woods, the marshals were surprised. One of them, Gary Anderson, said on Sunday, “He didn’t ask us nothing, and we didn’t say nothing. We’re told not to talk to the players.”

Anderson’s boss, John North, was the chief marshal for the first three holes. He stood over Woods’s ball to protect it from the throng and was five feet away when Woods played his shot. North has worked the tournament as a volunteer marshal for 30 years, he’s a graduate of the Naval Academy, he served in Vietnam, he’s a FedEx pilot and he donates his round on the Stadium course for being a volunteer to the Wounded Warriors project.

“Nothing was said to us and we certainly said nothing to him,” North said. “I was disappointed to hear him make those remarks. We’re there to help the players and enhance the experience of the fans. He was saying what was good for him. It lacked character.”



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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

Marshals: Tiger lied about Garcia shot interruption at The Players Championship - National Sports | Examiner.com

Thank you for your research If
garcia had lied it would be headlines - but tiger little said - golf channel -- nothing --- I really think most of the announcers would marry tiger if they could - that goes for all of the experts that call the game - every shot tiger takes is a very hard shot and then a great result no mater where it lands - everyone else it just a normal shot..
LIAR -------LIAR ---------LIAR just a little insight into tigers personality ---

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

Thank you for your research If
garcia had lied it would be headlines - but tiger little said - golf channel -- nothing --- I really think most of the announcers would marry tiger if they could - that goes for all of the experts that call the game - every shot tiger takes is a very hard shot and then a great result no mater where it lands - everyone else it just a normal shot..
LIAR -------LIAR ---------LIAR just a little insight into tigers personality ---

OK, let's inject some reality into the discussion. I was the walking scorer for Tiger's group on Thursday. The group was Tiger, Kuchar, and Snedeker. Where we usually have 8 people inside the ropes (3 golfers and caddies, myself, and the standard bearer) there were three TV cameras with assistants, two on course reporters, two "observers", untold numbers of still cameramen and about 30 people with either "media" or "inside ropes" badges with us. It was so crowded I could not see shots played, only hear them. I expect the crowd on Saturday to be similar or larger. It is very possible one of these "extra" people told Tiger that Sergio had hit and he interpreted it to be one of the marshals.

I am very disappointed in the head marshal's comment about character. He has no basis for this statement. A proper response would have been that no marshal told Tiger that Sergio had hit and it must have come from someone else in the crowd. But to intimate that Tiger purposely lied is unprofessional, IMO. It will be interesting to see if that marshal has the same job next year.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by mikeod

OK, let's inject some reality into the discussion. I was the walking scorer for Tiger's group on Thursday. The group was Tiger, Kuchar, and Snedeker. Where we usually have 8 people inside the ropes (3 golfers and caddies, myself, and the standard bearer) there were three TV cameras with assistants, two on course reporters, two "observers", untold numbers of still cameramen and about 30 people with either "media" or "inside ropes" badges with us. It was so crowded I could not see shots played, only hear them. I expect the crowd on Saturday to be similar or larger. It is very possible one of these "extra" people told Tiger that Sergio had hit and he interpreted it to be one of the marshals.

I am very disappointed in the head marshal's comment about character. He has no basis for this statement. A proper response would have been that no marshal told Tiger that Sergio had hit and it must have come from someone else in the crowd. But to intimate that Tiger purposely lied is unprofessional, IMO. It will be interesting to see if that marshal has the same job next year.

I agree 99%. My only difference is that the head marshall should have said, "It MAY have come from someone else". The head marshall, or the marshalls that were there for that matter had no idea if someone else had said something. They have no business making those sorts of judgements on a players character.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Tom Grooms

Tiger lied, who cares? Sergio complained, big deal.

I thought it was one on the best tournaments of the year. Sergio wanted to take Tiger down sooooo bad he took the ultimate gamble on the 71st hole, tied for the lead and came up a little short. That is awesome and makes for great Sunday afternoon entertainment. It's the rivalry between these two players that create the drama and that we all love to see go down Sunday afternoons.

Bad decision? If it was another player besides Tiger I believe Sergio might have played it differently but he wanted to take down his rival, the #1 player in the world Tiger Woods and win it right here. Could you imagine the noise the gallery would have made if he stuck that shot to 4 feet? Tiger would have seen and heard it all. That makes his tee shot on18/72 being 1 shot down a whole lot more difficult. I thought it was gutsy play.

I hope to see them in the final groups again soon...

The way to take down your rival is to stay in the tournament with a chance to beat him until the very end. Sergio became impatient and his impatience cause him to make a very foolish play.
Do you think if the situation had been reversed that Tiger would have went at that pin? Can you imagine Jack Nicklaus going at that pin under the same circumstances? I think that you know the answer to both of those questions is NO. Jack, Tiger and thousands of other tour pros would have hit it over the bunker and hoped that it would trickle down to the hole or or gave themselves a chance to make birdie with a long putt. There are very few players that I've seen in my life that would have tried that shot under those conditions.
By hitting the ball in the water, Sergio took all the pressure off of Tiger on the 18th hole. Had Sergio made three on 17 and stayed tied for the lead, Tiger's whole mentality on 18 would have been different. And, Sergio would have come to the 18th tee with a chance to win the tournament outright or at least get into a playoff.
Like I said before, Mickelson at Wing Foot and Jean Van de Veldt come to mind when thinking about what Sergio did. The absolute epitome of stupidity.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

You didn't hear Sergio say that the crowd noise was caused by Tiger pulling his 3 wood or five wood in the rough while he was hitting?

Did you see the side by side video which showed that the crowd noise happened several seconds before Sergio hit?

I agree that Tiger's statement would have been better left out of the media, but he said it because Sergio is a well known complainer.

The side by side is very, very daming to Sergio. If it were a distraction then back off. I've seen this many times. Sergio has been playing very well in the last year and half (33 events - 22 of them in the top 25) but he has never risen to the level I think HE feels he should be at. Excels in the Ryder Cup but otherwise it's been a disappointment at least in his mind and his goals. But I like both players.

And to the posters who call Tiger a LIAR: Please look up all the PGA players who have been married, cheated on their spouse, got divorced and then remarried a trophy wife. It happens so much that many players have a name for the not so glamerous wives, they call them "First wife". Crude? Yes. Reality? Yes.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

The side by side is very, very daming to Sergio. If it were a distraction then back off. I've seen this many times. Sergio has been playing very well in the last year and half (33 events - 22 of them in the top 25) but he has never risen to the level I think HE feels he should be at. Excels in the Ryder Cup but otherwise it's been a disappointment at least in his mind and his goals. But I like both players.

And to the posters who call Tiger a LIAR: Please look up all the PGA players who have been married, cheated on their spouse, got divorced and then remarried a trophy wife. It happens so much that many players have a name for the not so glamerous wives, they call them "First wife". Crude? Yes. Reality? Yes.

I think that one of Sergio's problems is that in his early years he didn't care that much about golf. He wanted to party and live the good life. I know people that knew him personally and have been to his house in Spain. He and his father would go out every night. Sergio was usually in the company of a different woman, (or women) every night. They liked to drink expensive bottles of wine and generally have a good time. He was fond of saying at that time that golf wasn't the only thing in his life and that he wanted to have a more balanced life and enjoy things more.
I'm not saying that there was anything wrong with that attitude. The only problem with it is that a few years down the road when you are not considered one of the greatest ever to have played the game and you are desperately trying to create a legacy for yourself, you have no on to blame but yourself.
I'm not judging Sergio for his choices, but it seems that now that he's seeing the results of those choices he's not liking it so much. For some reason, he's now come the conclusion that he wants to be considered one of the greatest ever, when that wasn't a concern ten years ago.
maybe it had to do with having so much success at such a young age, but he's going to have to live with it for the rest of his life.

I'm not saying that Sergio is a bad guy. In fact I like Sergio very much. But, he does have what appears to be a bit of a character flaw in that he seems reluctant, at times, to take responsibility for his own actions. He is often putting the blame for his failures elsewhere. He always has some kind of excuse. He complains a lot and likes to play the victim.

[mainlander]

Regardless of the varied impressions it was one of the best games to watch for some time, imo. Bottom line, Sergio is a professional and he should never let external forces take him out of his game. He is not there to "beat" anyone , he is there to play his best and win the game. Concentrate, play your game and do not let yourself get distracted... it is what you train yourself to do. hoping the "golf gods" will give you that 10% chance on a risky shot is not professional. We could well have had a tie and likely would have if Sergio did not "take himself" out of contention. All in my opinion.

[nitehawk]

i would think if anyone were to ask Elin Nordegren about his character and his history of lying - i need not go further, we all know the rest of the story or have we forgotten. --- just call it like it is a """lie."""
who is the better golfer, probably tiger is --- tiger should be happy he now has another blond waiting at the 18th hole, lets see what happens. I rest my case and yield to the tiger lovers

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by nitehawk

i would think if anyone were to ask Elin Nordegren about his character and his history of lying - i need not go further, we all know the rest of the story or have we forgotten. --- just call it like it is a """lie."""
who is the better golfer, probably tiger is --- tiger should be happy he now has another blond waiting at the 18th hole, lets see what happens. I rest my case and yield to the tiger lovers

Yep, Tiger is the only husband to cheat on his wife, ever. Please! I'll bet you love Fred Couples? Check out his past. Tiger just makes more headlines because he's Tiger.

If anyone has ever walked a PGA tour event, the number of female groupies was astounding, at least to me. Not that it makes it right but many have fallen victim to that temptation.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Yep, Tiger is the only husband to cheat on his wife, ever. Please! I'll bet you love Fred Couples? Check out his past. Tiger just makes more headlines because he's Tiger.

If anyone has ever walked a PGA tour event, the number of female groupies was astounding, at least to me. Not that it makes it right but many have fallen victim to that temptation.

Facts before commenting. Thank you Russ for a well thought out post.

[Russ_Boston]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Facts before commenting. Thank you Russ for a well thought out post.

Not sure if that was a dig at me but Fred Couples divorce from his first wife is well documented on-line. I actually think the hatred towards Tiger (mostly from non golf fans) has a little root in racism. I can't quantify that but just feels that way to me. The number of men who cheat on their wives if very high (again just do any research on-line) and PGA players with fame, money etc. are at least as susceptible. Doesn't make it right but it is what it is.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Russ_Boston

Yep, Tiger is the only husband to cheat on his wife, ever. Please! I'll bet you love Fred Couples? Check out his past. Tiger just makes more headlines because he's Tiger.

If anyone has ever walked a PGA tour event, the number of female groupies was astounding, at least to me. Not that it makes it right but many have fallen victim to that temptation.

One of biggest problem that the guys on tour is resisting the temptation of all the available girls that follow them around. Many of them have fallen victim to it and some have not done well in their careers because of the distractions posed by these women.

Like Russ, I'm not saying that it's right, but it's out there and it happens. I was at an event a few years ago and Angel Cabrera was driving around in a golf cart with three young girls. I don't know for sure what was going on but the next time I saw him he was with two different girls. Maybe it was all innocent but there is a lot of temptation out there and for Tiger Woods there are it's times as much as any other golfer out there.

[Golfingnut]

Two marshals defend Tiger Woods - News | FOX Sports on MSN

Can anyone please check your facts before you post derogatory information about someone that is false.

[LndLocked]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Two marshals defend Tiger Woods - News | FOX Sports on MSN

Can anyone please check your facts before you post derogatory information about someone that is false.

People posted articles that quoted marshals saying that they never gave any type of "go ahead" to Tiger. There was nothing "false" in that.