[Shirleevee]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Baylor University || Christian Ethics || Sermon on the Mount Library

This is a very interesting website about the Christian ethics in the Sermon on the Mount.

I do sincerely believe that Jesus would want people to treat other people how they themselves would want to be treated. That means giving them equal rights and opportunities. Same sex marriages would follow from this.

[TrudyM]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

Florida is behind on many social issues, but they will come around as the old boys fade from the powers in charge

You have lived in many southern states and you really think so. I don't.

I can remember not too long ago (1967 when the supreme court ruled) that it was illegal for people to marry outside their own race in 17 states. It took the supreme court ruling to change things.
At the time I was in high school in Florida (boarding school) and I remember how hot an issue it was there. I was from the North east and didn't understand what all the fuss was about. The headmistress told me I didn't understand because I was a liberal Yankee and couldn't understand proper Christian values.

The law may catch up with the real world but people take a lot longer.

[Quixote]

Originally Posted by janmcn

.... Gov Rick Scott, reacting to the rulings said: "It impacted federal law, not state law...As the governor of this state, I'll uphold the law of the land, and that's the law of our state."

Originally Posted by Portia

the governor wont be in office forever,and someone new with different ideas will take his place,then maybe another vote..don't ever say never that's what ..states of new York and conn and rhode island said too!!!

This reminds me of the small town I lived in up north, where the supervisor and board were all members of the same 'persuasion' which actually did reflect the orientation of the town's population. One day they decided that the 4 percent of the town budget devoted to maintaining a public library (about $22/year for an average home) was excessive and voted to cut the library budget 20 percent each year for five years, thus eliminating the library completely. Library patrons took onto themselves the goal to eliminate the town supervisor and board. It took two elections (which are held every two years) to change the majority 'persuasion' on the board, and then one more to change it completely. When FL folks are serious about this particular aspect of equality of civil rights, they can—and will—do the same....

[Golfingnut]

I would praise one more rewrite of the bible that would put emphasis on Jesus and leave out the scary stories written down that were designed to terrify people rather than inspire them to lead a Christian way of life. I am so pleased that the DOMA decision has brought light to the real reason for such rejection of GAY MARRIAGE. We must overcome superstition with fact and reality. Follow the progress of the written word including such craziness as an eye for an eye, stoning the nonbelievers, killing those that disagree and so many horrible things written down by men to make their position stronger among the population. Then very important, Jesus was sent to spread the word of kindness, forgiveness, love, not to judge others and so on. I believe we were sent the message to do away with man made prejudices.

[Challenger]

Amen, and Amen

[angiefox10]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

There are a LOT of unanswered questions that people don't want to take on because it pushes their beliefs in the wrong direction.

I am saying if we are causing pain to others for NO GOOD REASON...SHUT UP!

I can defriend myself real quick here. Having friends is NOT the issue.

Some people don't give a rip whose feelings they are treading on.

I am a Catholic who does NOT believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, but other people do.

Those other people have a right to their beliefs. We have NO right to try to change their views. If they are NOT harming anyone by word or deed than leave them alone. I think religion becomes real murky when it comes to bombing folks. Real wrong. But religion is an important part of most people's lives and the freedom to believe as we wish was one of the the main reason this country began.

Gloria Steinem - "The truth will set you free, but first it will **** you off."

[gocubsgo]

Whatever floats your boat is fine with me. When I lived up North, I was a Civil JP and performed a few gay marriages. They are wonderful couples and hurray we have moved into the 21st century!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by angiefox10

Gloria Steinem - "The truth will set you free, but first it will **** you off."

Just to remind everyone of my views. Homosexuality is a fact of life. I believe that people are born gay or heterosexual or with both tendencies. The supreme court has ruled that they can be recognized as a couple under the law. They are people. They have worth and value just exactly like you and me, deserve respect and acceptance. Some people think the Bible states that having sex with a person of the same sex is wrong. Some people do not take the Bible literally. Most people are respectful of the Bible because of it's tradition and how it is held sacred to most people.

"Arguing about politics and religion and sexuality and values with anyone who you don't love will do absolutely NO good. It makes people furious, hurts their feelings, it makes you look bad and you are just ****ing in the wind." Sweetie.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Just to remind everyone of my views. Homosexuality is a fact of life. I believe that people are born gay or heterosexual or with both tendencies. The supreme court has ruled that they can be recognized as a couple under the law. They are people. They have worth and value just exactly like you and me, deserve respect and acceptance. Some people think the Bible states that having sex with a person of the same sex is wrong. Some people do not take the Bible literally. Most people are respectful of the Bible because of it's tradition and how it is held sacred to most people.

"Arguing about politics and religion and sexuality and values with anyone who you don't love will do absolutely NO good. It makes people furious, hurts their feelings, it makes you look bad and you are just ****ing in the wind." Sweetie.

I for one totally agree with your view of gay people; however, without debate on issues as serious as Gay Marriage and so many other serious problems we still have in this country, nothing would get done. I am sure that the status quo would be fine for some, but would not be fair to those that continue to be discriminated against. Since this thread has been overwhelmingly Positive and with more debate than argument, this thread is a testament to the need for intelligent discussion about Gay Marriage as it relates to the Christian scriptures. You say be Respectful because of its tradition, well there is still a tradition of racism in many areas of this country, but be sure you understand I do not respect racism no matter how long it has been in practice.

[ilovetv]

"Polygamists and polygamy activists celebrated the Supreme Court's decision to strike down DOMA Wednesday, claiming the move to promote same-sex marriage in the U.S. promotes polygamy as well. While some gay marriage advocates claim that polygamy is a separate issue, some conservative Christians and traditional marriage advocates have long pointed out the link between the two through the redefinition of marriage.

The Supreme Court voted Wednesday to declare The Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional and not hear further arguments regarding Proposition 8 in California, which sought to ban any redefinition of marriage.....

....."I was very glad (after the ruling) … The nuclear family, with a dad and a mom and two or three kids, is not the majority anymore," Anne Wilde, a vocal polygamy advocate, told Buzzfeed. "Now it's grandparents taking care of kids, single parents, gay parents. … It seems like if more people are accepting of gay marriage, it would follow that polygamist marriage wouldn't be criticized quite so much."

"We're very happy with it," Joe Darger, a Utah polygamist, said. "I think [the court] has taken a step in correcting some inequality, and that's certainly something that's going to trickle down and impact us."

Traditional marriage advocates such as radio talk show host Bryan Fischer agree: "The DOMA ruling has now made the normalization of polygamy, pedophilia, incest and bestiality inevitable. Matter of time," he tweeted.

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor drew the same conclusion previously when discussing Proposition 8 in Hollingsworth v. Perry. She questioned attorney Theodore B. Olson's argument for gay marriage, saying it included no restrictions.

"If you say that marriage is a fundamental right, what state restrictions could ever exist," Sotomayor asked. "Meaning, what's the restriction with respect to the number of people that could get married, the incest laws – mother and child. What's left?"

While some same-sex marriage advocates have attempted to distance themselves from polygamists by saying the "slippery slope" argument is a myth, others have abandoned all pretense. Slate writer Jillian Keenan argued in her article "Legalize Polygamy!" that the practice is "no better or worse than homosexual marriage."

"Legalized polygamy in the United States is the constitutional, feminist and sex-positive choice," she wrote.....

Read more at Polygamists Celebrate DOMA Ruling: Does Gay Marriage Open the Door for Polygamy?

[angiefox10]

I'm all for polygamy.... I could use a little help around the house!!!! Where do I sign up???? Is there a limit? I could certainly use a cook!!!

[Barefoot]

In my humble opinion ....
Everyone is born with different genes and chromosomes, with different skin colors and different genders. It wasn't that long ago that women weren't allowed to vote, when slavery was condoned, when gays weren't allowed to marry. Surely we've moved from the dark ages into the golden light of equality and acceptance.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

In my humble opinion ....
Everyone is born with different genes and chromosomes, with different skin colors and different genders. It wasn't that long ago that women weren't allowed to vote, when slavery was condoned, when gays weren't allowed to marry. Surely we've moved from the dark ages into the golden light of equality and acceptance.

I say anyone that respects human rights and loves dogs is tops with me. Yea for Barefoot.

[gomoho]

I am curious - those celebrating this decision - do you see any reason polygamy should not also be recognized and those families afforded the same rights?

[janmcn]

An article in today's Tampa Bay Times explains some of the ramifications of the Supreme Court's decision to Florida residents, including filing income taxes, social security, medicaid and medicare, immigration, veterans, etc.

Some of these processes can be changed by the president's signature, while some will require an act of Congress, and some will require court action.

One of the experts interviewed for this article, Miami-based lawyer Elizabeth Schwartz, a nationally recognized advocate for gay and lesbian rights said "I think there's going to be gay flight. I think people are going to pick up and go."



Mixed benefits of DOMA decision for gay couples in Florida | Tampa Bay Times