Originally Posted by cologal

I have NEVER been a member of MOVEON. I am trying to make a point when Al Gore ran all we heard about was how he lied. The best one was about how he said he invented the internet. How many times did we hear about Clinton lying and now Obama.

And you saying that I am all about party is down right funny coming from you.


Did Obama say, himself, that the report did not include a 6 month ban on drilling? Please provide a link.....to that statement by Obama.

Let me not put words in your mouth.....you say you are not about party but your examples ALL one party. Does this mean that all Republicans are just flat out liars.....any Republican lie was proven to be in the first person..have you NO republican examples ?

Now, to steal a page from RICHIELION.....if THE ADMINISTRATION says something are we to assume that it is NOT coming from the President UNLESS we hear the words come out of his mouth....are we to assume that there are folks speaking for the ADMINISTRATION but are doing so without the President being aware ?

If that is the case, then it is even worse than lying !!!


It really seems that those who post here are unable to say anything positive about thie ADMINISTRATION thus they only post about the last administration !

Originally Posted by RichieLion

As one of the last great Democrat Presidents said "The Buck Stops Here".

Nothing goes on in the authority of the White House that the President doesn't know about. I don't need a document or a link to ascribe the failures or untruths of actions of this regime to the President, just as you don't seem to need any documentation to lay every perceived failure of the former administration at the feet of the former President.

Ok....so he "lies" if he is associated in any way with anything.

Makes perfect sense to me. NOT!

Originally Posted by Bucco

Let me not put words in your mouth.....you say you are not about party but your examples ALL one party. Does this mean that all Republicans are just flat out liars.....any Republican lie was proven to be in the first person..have you NO republican examples ?

Now, to steal a page from RICHIELION.....if THE ADMINISTRATION says something are we to assume that it is NOT coming from the President UNLESS we hear the words come out of his mouth....are we to assume that there are folks speaking for the ADMINISTRATION but are doing so without the President being aware ?

If that is the case, then it is even worse than lying !!!


It really seems that those who post here are unable to say anything positive about thie ADMINISTRATION thus they only post about the last administration !

No ....it appears here you can say nothing good about the present administration, or any other Democratic administration.... To even attempt to compare or contrast to the most recent administration bring a rain of bull upon your head.

Ours only lie and yours never lie.....

known to Obama. Remember they are lawyers. They do review the topics and who said or shall say when so as to allow Obama either the ability to confirm or deny. They operate on the LETTER of the law....did he say it....they can absolutely in legal parlance say no in good conscience.

Lawyers, politicians and lawmakers either use the law or hide behind it to suit their need. Remember some of them have to make rapist, plunderers and murders look and sound good/innocent. Enough said!

btk

Originally Posted by cologal

Ok....so he "lies" if he is associated in any way with anything.

Makes perfect sense to me. NOT!

I'm not sure anymore if it's his lies, and there are many, that are the issue. It is actually his gross incompetence and failure of leadership and understanding of this country and his constitutional role in it. Check my other post "He Who Would Be King" and read a well written article from The American Thinker and tell me what you think of it.

Obama will always lie, but he has a good excuse for his lies.

He does not remember what he has read from the teleprompter.
They are not his words and they cannot be because he knows very little about all this stuff in Washington.

We will have to give him a pass on all his lies because he has no clue what he is saying nor can he remember all the words of others he reads from his prompter.

Originally Posted by cashman

Obama will always lie, but he has a good excuse for his lies.

He does not remember what he has read from the teleprompter.
They are not his words and they cannot be because he knows very little about all this stuff in Washington.

We will have to give him a pass on all his lies because he has no clue what he is saying nor can he remember all the words of others he reads from his prompter.

You are correct. Cologal can defend Obama because he rarely says anything of substance. His appointed lackeys speak to the masses and carry out the details of the agenda and give the President "deniable plausibility". In this way Obama seeks to distance himself from the tactile working of his policy and feign ignorance at discrepancies of what is said, and what is done.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You are correct. Cologal can defend Obama because he rarely says anything of substance. His appointed lackeys speak to the masses and carry out the details of the agenda and give the President "deniable plausibility". In this way Obama seeks to distance himself from the tactile working of his policy and feign ignorance at discrepancies of what is said, and what is done.

In this case I defend him because he didn't actually say this.....so if he didn't say it, no matter what anyone says, HE DIDN'T.


As opposed to Clinton under oath lying about have sex with ML. Or Bush saying that the US never used torture which we did.

again this afternoon. He has strolled the beach and provided photo ops. He steps in front of the microphone, is on as I type. He is reading from notes. Did he write these while walking? Posing for pix?
Of course not. The speech writing dweebs had it prepared for him when he got off the plane.

The man has no capability or perhaps desire to speak unprepared. A major signal of an individual that does not know his subject for one. Secondly, prepared text always provides a defense for what was said if it blows up.

His operating style portrays him as one who is not prepared to speak with authority based on personal knowledge.

While I do not particularly care for Michelle Obama for a lot of reasons, I give her an 'A' for being able to speak without notes, teleprompters, etc. She is a significantly more credible person than he is as a result.

When a person knows their subject, they do not need notes. They do not need a teleprompter. Yes there is a time and place for prepared speeches. However, not each and every time one opens their mouth.

Just wait and watch his address to the nation tomorrow. Same old, same old political schmooze with no specific actions/solutions. Very consistent with every public address he has ever made.

The man is afraid to make a mistake and as a result he makes an even bigger mistake.

btk

Obama will go on television tomorrow night and explain how he's been to the Gulf four times since the rig accident - met with families, friends, business people, local representatives - he'll say how they all had his ear, his attention and his heart. He'll explain how he has been on top of everything since day one - this is the worst disaster the world has ever seen - and how we really need more regulations and it was really Bush's fault and how cap and trade is earnestly needed. He'll say is is making sure that BP is going to pay for all damages.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Obama will go on television tomorrow night and explain how he's been to the Gulf four times since the rig accident - met with families, friends, business people, local representatives - he'll say how they all had his ear, his attention and his heart. He'll explain how he has been on top of everything since day one - this is the worst disaster the world has ever seen - and how we really need more regulations and it was really Bush's fault and how cap and trade is earnestly needed. He'll say is is making sure that BP is going to pay for all damages.

Well he has been to the Gulf, met with the families so that is true. I would hope that they review the regulations to see if we just needed to enforce the ones that exist or if new ones are needed. Not sure if he will make a pitch for cap and trade, thats more of a global warming them, but green energy or get off the oil most likely.


And BP should pay for every dime of the cleanup!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You are correct. Cologal can defend Obama because he rarely says anything of substance. His appointed lackeys speak to the masses and carry out the details of the agenda and give the President "deniable plausibility". In this way Obama seeks to distance himself from the tactile working of his policy and feign ignorance at discrepancies of what is said, and what is done.

In this case I defend him because he didn't actually say this.....so if he didn't say it, no matter what anyone says, HE DIDN'T.


As opposed to Clinton under oath lying about have sex with ML. Or Bush saying that the US never used torture which we did.

Originally Posted by cologal

In this case I defend him because he didn't actually say this.....so if he didn't say it, no matter what anyone says, HE DIDN'T.


As opposed to Clinton under oath lying about have sex with ML. Or Bush saying that the US never used torture which we did.

Exactly my point; Plausible Deniability. Give him a pass on almost anything.

Except for that once in a while when he can't help himself and speaks without the tele-prompter and then we see him for who he is. Usually then his lackeys spend the next week redefining everything he said to the sycophant WH Press Core to sometimes hilarious far-fetched extremes.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Exactly my point; Plausible Deniability. Give him a pass on almost anything.

Except for that once in a while when he can't help himself and speaks without the tele-prompter and then we see him for who he is. Usually then his lackeys spend the next week redefining everything he said to the sycophant WH Press Core to sometimes hilarious far-fetched extremes.

You had to use that word didn't you......but ya just can't win. He doesn't have to say anything to tell a lie. That's going pretty far out there.

Originally Posted by cologal

You had to use that word didn't you......but ya just can't win. He doesn't have to say anything to tell a lie. That's going pretty far out there.

Is it really the case that you don't understand the point I'm making, or are you just having fun with me?