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http://www.politifact.com/personalit...llary-clinton/
72% of what Clinton says is half true, mostly true and completely true

Donald Trump's file | PolitiFact
76% of what Trumpo says is mostly false, false or an outright lie

That's not what I made up in my head.

Just out of curiosity, how many folks associated with or working for Trump have died? Any of them killed by terrorists that were called "protesters" by him?
How man classified documents has Trump given to uncleared personnel?
Did Trump lie under oath?
Did Trump destroy government property?
Did he steal thousands of dollars worth of gov property?

Just wondering. I mean, if you can make him look as bad as my impression of Hillary, then I won't vote in this election.

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Just out of curiosity, how many folks associated with or working for Trump have died? Any of them killed by terrorists that were called "protesters" by him?
How man classified documents has Trump given to uncleared personnel?
Did Trump lie under oath?
Did Trump destroy government property?
Did he steal thousands of dollars worth of gov property?

Just wondering. I mean, if you can make him look as bad as my impression of Hillary, then I won't vote in this election.

I just cut and paste what I find online from credible sources. I believe what other people find, cut and paste.

Everybody believes what they want to believe.

Hillary says she wants to give "free" college tuition to everyone. So not only did you get to pay for your college education and your children's college education. Now you get to pay for everyone else's college education. The most expensive and least valued things in the world are "free."

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Hillary says she wants to give "free" college tuition to everyone. So not only did you get to pay for your college education and your children's college education. Now you get to pay for everyone else's college education. The most expensive and least valued things in the world are "free."

Just another poorly thought out liberal idea that wastes taxpayer money, especially when one considers the poor return on investment.

"Among first-time, full-time undergraduate students who began seeking a bachelor's degree at a 4-year degree-granting institution in fall 2007, the 6-year graduation rate was 58 percent at public institutions, 65 percent at private nonprofit institutions, and 32 percent at private for-profit institutions."

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Just another poorly thought out liberal idea that wastes taxpayer money, especially when one considers the poor return on investment.

"Among first-time, full-time undergraduate students who began seeking a bachelor's degree at a 4-year degree-granting institution in fall 2007, the 6-year graduation rate was 58 percent at public institutions, 65 percent at private nonprofit institutions, and 32 percent at private for-profit institutions."

Do you think the price of tuition has anything to do with the drop-out rate?

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Do you think the price of tuition has anything to do with the drop-out rate?

No. Tuition costs at community colleges are far less than those of universities and the degree completion rates are also much lower, so not I don't see the correlation between cost and completion.

Tuition is only part of the cost of receiving an education. One also has to consider the cost of room and board.

I completed my BA degree in 2 years and 9 months, because I couldn't afford to attend an additional year.

Based on recent statistics, students can't even complete a 4-year degree in 6 years.

Hint: If you want to reduce your total cost of attend college, complete your degree requirements in the shortest amount of time possible.

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No. Tuition costs at community colleges are far less than those of universities and the degree completion rates are also much lower, so not I don't see the correlation between cost and completion.

Tuition is only part of the cost of receiving an education. One also has to consider the cost of room and board.

I completed my BA degree in 2 years and 9 months, because I couldn't afford to attend an additional year.

Based on recent statistics, students can't even complete a 4-year degree in 6 years.

Hint: If you want to reduce your total cost of attend college, complete your degree requirements in the shortest amount of time possible.

Do you know students who attend community college. I've know many. Their profile is that they just about made it out of high school and took the easiest class load. They thought they could handle community college when they couldn't.

I think when tuition is $40k a year it does affect drop out rate.

My wife got her degree in 2 years 9 months. Our thought was not only did you save a years tuition, you also made an extra years salary. That's when tuition was only $350/year at a state college or $450 at a state university.

My granddaughter will have completed her first two years of college with an associates degree by the time she finishes high school. And when she continues her college education, it won't be the government that pays for it. It will be her parents and if necessary, me. She is motivated and will do fine. The reason for the drop out rates is not how difficult college is. It isn't. It's because many would rather party, some drop out to get married and some just loose their motivation. There is a lack of self-reliance and self-discipline in Americans now. The easier it becomes to have a decent lifestyle, the lazier and less motivated our citizens become.

Hillary is catering to Bernie's voter base, by lying. She is also catering to the blacks right now by telling everyone that whites need to listen to them. There is a petition that has gone to the president to deem Black Lives Matter as a Terrorist Group. Obama says they are like our historic patriots, but he fails to realize that the protesters he associates them with were NOT violent and they did not advocate the murdering of the police. Hillary is catering to the BLM cretins, and it will likely backfire on her. There is also a majority that believe that she should be indicted and they have a petition with double the needed signatures already. So, keep tuned in because Hillary and Obama are about to find out that they are loosing their popularity real fast. Americans may be ready to believe a lot of shysters and be fooled some time, but after a while they start to realize they have been conned.

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Do you know students who attend community college. I've know many. Their profile is that they just about made it out of high school and took the easiest class load. They thought they could handle community college when they couldn't.

I think when tuition is $40k a year it does affect drop out rate.

My wife got her degree in 2 years 9 months. Our thought was not only did you save a years tuition, you also made an extra years salary. That's when tuition was only $350/year at a state college or $450 at a state university.

The degree completion rate for Harvard University, not an inexpensive university to attend, is 98%. I think if you also compare other highest-tuition-cost universities to their completion rates, you will find that they are very high as well. And yes, I have made the comparison.

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Do you know students who attend community college. I've know many. Their profile is that they just about made it out of high school and took the easiest class load. They thought they could handle community college when they couldn't.

I think when tuition is $40k a year it does affect drop out rate.

My wife got her degree in 2 years 9 months. Our thought was not only did you save a years tuition, you also made an extra years salary. That's when tuition was only $350/year at a state college or $450 at a state university.

So, should those students who attend college on Hillary's proposed taxpayer funded tuition program reimburse the taxpayer for their tuition costs when they fail to complete the curriculum?

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My granddaughter will have completed her first two years of college with an associates degree by the time she finishes high school. And when she continues her college education, it won't be the government that pays for it. It will be her parents and if necessary, me. She is motivated and will do fine. The reason for the drop out rates is not how difficult college is. It isn't. It's because many would rather party, some drop out to get married and some just loose their motivation. There is a lack of self-reliance and self-discipline in Americans now. The easier it becomes to have a decent lifestyle, the lazier and less motivated our citizens become.

Hillary is catering to Bernie's voter base, by lying. She is also catering to the blacks right now by telling everyone that whites need to listen to them. There is a petition that has gone to the president to deem Black Lives Matter as a Terrorist Group. Obama says they are like our historic patriots, but he fails to realize that the protesters he associates them with were NOT violent and they did not advocate the murdering of the police. Hillary is catering to the BLM cretins, and it will likely backfire on her. There is also a majority that believe that she should be indicted and they have a petition with double the needed signatures already. So, keep tuned in because Hillary and Obama are about to find out that they are loosing their popularity real fast. Americans may be ready to believe a lot of shysters and be fooled some time, but after a while they start to realize they have been conned.

I think Ben Franklin said it best:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

― Benjamin Franklin

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The degree completion rate for Harvard University, not an inexpensive university to attend, is 98%. I think if you also compare other highest-tuition-cost universities to their completion rates, you will find that they are very high as well. And yes, I have made the comparison.

That's because, at elite universities, it's virtually impossible to fail: "...But in the case of this particular professor everybody got an A. As a test, I surreptitiously enrolled a fictitious student into the roster of his next class. This "nobody" never came to class, never wrote a term paper and never took an exam. At the end of the semester the mysterious student received an A..."

Read the whole thing: Opinion: Can Harvard stop awarding so many As? - CNN.com

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That's because, at elite universities, it's virtually impossible to fail: "...But in the case of this particular professor everybody got an A. As a test, I surreptitiously enrolled a fictitious student into the roster of his next class. This "nobody" never came to class, never wrote a term paper and never took an exam. At the end of the semester the mysterious student received an A..."

Read the whole thing: Opinion: Can Harvard stop awarding so many As? - CNN.com

All the more reason NOT to subsidize student tuition!

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That's because, at elite universities, it's virtually impossible to fail: "...But in the case of this particular professor everybody got an A. As a test, I surreptitiously enrolled a fictitious student into the roster of his next class. This "nobody" never came to class, never wrote a term paper and never took an exam. At the end of the semester the mysterious student received an A..."

Read the whole thing: Opinion: Can Harvard stop awarding so many As? - CNN.com

You seem to be an authority on the subject, which elite university did you attend?

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I think Ben Franklin said it best:

“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”

― Benjamin Franklin

I love that quote, thanks for sharing. It aptly illustrates the fundamental problem with our liberal progressive friends. When the civil rights movement first started, their mantra was level the playing field and create equal opportunity. Im all for that. Over the last decade this has evolved to equal outcome. Our society has progressed from a merit based system to one based on social justice where the poor are told they are poor because you are "wealthy" and privileged and not due to any lack of effort on their part. In the name of social justice, it has become the obligation of the privileged to give stuff to the less privileged so they can have the same outcome. Today we call Ben's sage advice "The soft bigotry of low expectations." We should be giving "hand ups, not hand outs" JMHO