[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

That's the typical narrative -- and now the data. Corals live in the warmest waters on earth. They look forward to a warmer earth, because when the earth was warmer and had more CO2, coral diversity was much greater. Plus, Figure 2 clearly shows Great Barrier Reef corals are at an all time high ... https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...eid=2757d1864c

I read that link. It is written by ONE Australian Scientist that got FIRED in 2018 and it looks like he is trying to discredit the Australian Institute of Marine Science by saying the opposite of what they (the NIMS) say, which is like all of the world's scientists say........ coral in all the reefs (including the great barrier reef) are dying due to acidification due to EXCESS CO2 in the ocean water.

Incidentally, EXCESS CO2 and acidification is also a factor that will hurt Polar Bear populations in the FUTURE. So EXCESS CO2 is NOT just a problem in the WARM parts of the ocean - it is all parts of all oceans. Recent INCREASES in Polar Bear populations are DUE TO HUNTING REGULATIONS. In the FUTURE their environment will be threatened by Global Warming and they will either adapt or DIE OUT. Just like the more than 100 elephants that could NOT adapt and DIED in Africa recently. Environmental decay is happening all over the earth, in the oceans and in the atmosphere....... which leads to recent increased species EXTINCTION. Humans seem to have problems living in HARMONY with each other and with the other creatures of the earth. It seems to be very near-sighted of them.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Why are polar bears increasing and why do they allow shooting them?

They are increasing ONLY RECENTLY because of increased hunting regulations and increased game management and conservation techniques. I imagine that some hunting is allowed so that money charged for the hunting permits can be used to preserve areas for the Polar Bears to OFFSET their LOSS of habitat due to Global Warming. Humans are TRYING to slow down the EXTINCTION of beautiful animal species brought about by Global Warming. But, it is like "spitting into the wind" as long as the earth is being ripped apart by EXCESS CO2 produced by IC engines and Industrial plants using coal in China and other countries (even the US).

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I read that link. It is written by ONE Australian Scientist that got FIRED in 2018 and it looks like he is trying to discredit the Australian Institute of Marine Science by saying the opposite of what they (the NIMS) say, which is like all of the world's scientists say........ coral in all the reefs (including the great barrier reef) are dying due to acidification due to EXCESS CO2 in the ocean water.

Incidentally, EXCESS CO2 and acidification is also a factor that will hurt Polar Bear populations in the FUTURE. So EXCESS CO2 is NOT just a problem in the WARM parts of the ocean - it is all parts of all oceans. Recent INCREASES in Polar Bear populations are DUE TO HUNTING REGULATIONS. In the FUTURE their environment will be threatened by Global Warming and they will either adapt or DIE OUT. Just like the more than 100 elephants that could NOT adapt and DIED in Africa recently. Environmental decay is happening all over the earth, in the oceans and in the atmosphere....... which leads to recent increased species EXTINCTION. Humans seem to have problems living in HARMONY with each other and with the other creatures of the earth. It seems to be very near-sighted of them.

Many years ago CO2 levels were 15 to 17 times greater than today and live thrived. More is better -- the historic record clearly shows this. When you study plant leaves, you'll see that today's plants have more Stoma in order to eat food. They need more Stoma because there is less CO2 in the air. Years ago, when CO2 levels were much higher, the leaves had less Stoma because the air was richer in CO2. This is just one of many examples of why more CO2 is better. Here are others ... https://co2coalition.org/facts/water...enhouse-gas-2/

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by lindaelane

I agree that seven years is not a trend. I also believe one hurricane is not a trend (Ian is definitely climate change, say some). There are fewer hurricanes in the past 30 years, though some recently have held more water because the ocean is a little warmer. There is climate change (always), some is man made, and politicians choose whichever of the 33 common models looks the scariest for now in order to get people's votes and make us miserable (including some literal freezing and starvation coming soon in other countries) with attempting to stop fossil fuels entirely and as soon as possible. China is increasing coal and the West unable to offset them to any significant degree. We should do what we can without actions that will cause great harm (unable to heat houses, banning nitrogen fertilizer without which there will be some stavation, etc.)

This post makes some sense and details some problems and a need to go slowly to avoid further problems. But, like a lot of statements about problems about Global Warming, it fails to mention that which is probably the biggest factor in Global Warming..........the fact that the world population has grown from 1 Billion in 1880 to 8 Billion today!
.........Obviously, with a population like that, China and others are going to RESORT to the EXCESSIVE use of coal and other fossil fuels. So, then the CO2 becomes EXCESSIVE and the earth begins to be trashed. No one can legitimately say that Global Warming is NOT caused by MAN. If human population were NOT excessive, then CO2 would NOT be excessive and Global Warming would NOT be a problem......... we would NOT even need to discuss it.
.......The 3rd World blames the 1st World for Climate Change problems.......and they are right.......yet they also have overpopulation problems. India lies somewhere between a 1st and 3rd world nation. They are overpopulated. What are 1st world countries that are NOT overpopulated? Maybe Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?????

It seems to me like ALL these FACTORS are interrelated.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

It's amazing this thread has been allowed to continue yet a great conversation on Social Security was shut down by the moderator after 20 posts. If this isn't political then I don't know what is. I'd like the moderator to please explain.........

Sorry, I don't see ANYTHING political about man-made Climate Change, which can't possibly be blamed on one party or another - it is a worldwide phenomenon (not just the US) and started about 1880 with the Industrial Revolution leading to more worldwide population and therefore more (and excessive) CO2 production.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Whoa ... since when is temperature data and plant food political? Many want it to be political, but that's dangerous. Feynman saw it happening.

I can agree with that post. I would even extend the idea to education.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Industrialists and foreign governments denying Global Warming for "monetary gains"?

Choose your conspiracy and get in the game.

Agreed. And industrialists that are "wedded" to fossil fuels are denying Global Warming. While some industrialists are making solar panels (hopefully more in the US and less in China). Some are making E-cars and E-bikes. Some are making home insulation and smart-home equipment. Even making more and better sailboats would be better than power boats.
.....Even living in the middle of Florida is better for the environment and people that living right on the coast.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

This post makes some sense and details some problems and a need to go slowly to avoid further problems. But, like a lot of statements about problems about Global Warming, it fails to mention that which is probably the biggest factor in Global Warming..........the fact that the world population has grown from 1 Billion in 1880 to 8 Billion today!
.........Obviously, with a population like that, China and others are going to RESORT to the EXCESSIVE use of coal and other fossil fuels. So, then the CO2 becomes EXCESSIVE and the earth begins to be trashed. No one can legitimately say that Global Warming is NOT caused by MAN. If human population were NOT excessive, then CO2 would NOT be excessive and Global Warming would NOT be a problem......... we would NOT even need to discuss it.
.......The 3rd World blames the 1st World for Climate Change problems.......and they are right.......yet they also have overpopulation problems. India lies somewhere between a 1st and 3rd world nation. They are overpopulated. What are 1st world countries that are NOT overpopulated? Maybe Canada, Australia, and New Zealand?????

It seems to me like ALL these FACTORS are interrelated.

It is not just population, but our cleverness at creating industries that destroy and poison our habitat. Old growth forest stripped and burned to make way for factories, freeways and plantations. The plantations fool the uneducated. Swap one tree for another, what's the problem? Old growth/rainforests were very effective converting CO2 into oxygen. The plantations (like coffee and other crops) that replaced them are seldom 10% as effective. 3rd world countries destroy habitat for poor farms, causing erosion allowing fertilizers and poisons and all sorts of pollutants into the rivers and seas.
Clever monkeys, we are. Too clever for our own good? We will have to wait and see. The smart ones are trying to warn the others and developing plans to help correct the damage already done. But some can't come to grips with it. Like the first breeze before the storm, there is a faint smell. The smell of seaweed cooking in the sun, perhaps? Earth is warming, and the cycle isn't "normal".

"They paved Paradise and put up a parking lot."
J. Mitchell

[Byte1]

I wonder how much underwater volcanic eruptions have to do with polar ice melting. I know that any articles that do not conform to the idea of man's contribution to polar ice melting will be disputed and declared invalid, but just the same..........

West Antarctic Glacial Melting From Deep Earth Geological Heat Flow Not Global Warming - Climate Change Dispatch

Other graphs that would make a good comparison to climate changes in temps.:

[sounding]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I wonder how much underwater volcanic eruptions have to do with polar ice melting. I know that any articles that do not conform to the idea of man's contribution to polar ice melting will be disputed and declared invalid, but just the same..........

West Antarctic Glacial Melting From Deep Earth Geological Heat Flow Not Global Warming - Climate Change Dispatch

Other graphs that would make a good comparison to climate changes in temps.:

Excellent information. Here is more up North (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_a0exADJtk) and here is more down South (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raR5YgFcIQQ).

[Davonu]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

…Some are making E-cars and E-bikes...

And we all know the E for these vehicles just appears out of thin air.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

Excellent information. Here is more up North (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_a0exADJtk) and here is more down South (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raR5YgFcIQQ).

NASA can set this subject straight. Google NASA.....Global Climate change......And I QUOTE...."The HEAT welling up from the Earth's interior beneath ice sheets has NOTHING to do with the relatively rapid change in Climate over RECENT DECADES driven mainly by HUMAN EMISSIONS of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere."

" Heat sources from the deep earth can remain STEADY for 100 MILLION years. Human-driven Climate Change is occurring in mere decades or centuries."

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Davonu

And we all know the E for these vehicles just appears out of thin air.

The source of the electricity is a LARGE centrally located electric generating plant that may be getting its energy from, solar, wind, or waterfalls which are VERY CLEAN sources. The least clean source would be natural gas, which is a fossil fuel, but burns much cleaner than gasoline or diesel. And the generating plant can have SCRUBBERS much bigger and more efficient than the exhaust of thousands of individual moving cars and trucks.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

NASA can set this subject straight. Google NASA.....Global Climate change......And I QUOTE...."The HEAT welling up from the Earth's interior beneath ice sheets has NOTHING to do with the relatively rapid change in Climate over RECENT DECADES driven mainly by HUMAN EMISSIONS of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere."

" Heat sources from the deep earth can remain STEADY for 100 MILLION years. Human-driven Climate Change is occurring in mere decades or centuries."

Are you speaking of the same NASA that has trouble launching one space craft, while private industry launches several successful launches in the same time period?

[sounding]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

NASA can set this subject straight. Google NASA.....Global Climate change......And I QUOTE...."The HEAT welling up from the Earth's interior beneath ice sheets has NOTHING to do with the relatively rapid change in Climate over RECENT DECADES driven mainly by HUMAN EMISSIONS of greenhouse gases that warm the atmosphere."

" Heat sources from the deep earth can remain STEADY for 100 MILLION years. Human-driven Climate Change is occurring in mere decades or centuries."

NASA? NASA is at the core of climate fraud ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Rc301T-hY