[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by xNYer

You really don’t get it. 120 deaths were recorded that day. To know how many actually occurred that day you would have to go to a date in the future to find out how many people had died that day. The current system more readily allows trends to be viewed. You have a clear desire to minimize what is going on for some reason.

LOL So you are saying that placing 120 deaths all on a day they didn't actually happen allows trends to be spotted? When most of them actually happened in previous months? Yikes

[blueash]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

LOL seriously?

The Sentinel chart is labeled Daily New Deaths, not daily reported deaths. It's very misleading in that it makes one think deaths are now higher than ever, and they are not.

It shows 120 for July 9, and on 4/16 52 deaths

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The Actual deaths per day chart is labeled correctly.

It shows that the peak actual death day was 4/16 at 78 deaths, and deaths on July 9 at 9. The deaths that actually happened July 9 will go up in a week or two, but it isn't going to be 120.

The Sentinel could post a correct death per day chart if they wanted to, but it wouldn't fit their panic porn headline.

If one chooses to think both charts look the same, I know of a good eye Doctor.

This is getting really sad. You continue to post that the 120 is wrong because only 9 people died that day.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday.

You have no idea how many people died that day because the death certificates are still pending for almost every person who died that day. The only way to have up to date data is to report, as the newspaper did, the number of deaths REPORTED that day. Come back in 6 weeks to get the actual number who died that day. By then it is not news. How fallacious was your post the "there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday"? Did you qualify your post to say what you should have said right at the outset that the 9 number you were reporting was completely meaningless?

Policy needs to be made on data. Like the number of new infections REPORTED on a day. Today it is over 15,000 for Florida. Were all those tests done yesterday, no. So you think the 15,000 is a lie because some were done as long as 10 days ago? Do you think the lab should be required to list the actual date the swab was obtained so you can whine about what the actual date of the event was? If the Sentinel headlines "Yesterday worst day for new infections" are you going to start a new thread attacking the number?

120 people were reported to have died on that day. Date of reported death is a completely valid metric. It is used by every single agency nationally and internationally to track COVID. You can post all you like about how reporting it is misleading, but it is your attempt to claim the statistic itself is misleading that is errant.

Complain to the CDC, to Johns Hopkins, to the Florida DOH. They all are prominently reporting the deaths on the day it was recorded. Yes, they also go back to enter the date of death but that in no way negates the utility of the metric you are attacking.

The Sentinel's reporting was accurate and detailed. The article carefully explained the metric and how it was obtained and what it means. It is in some respects retrospective. Consider "Candidate A polling badly" as a headline. You want to complain that such would be a misleading headline as the poll was not conducted at the moment the paper was printed or that it should say "Candidate A polled badly last week" ? Is doesn't work that way. Any intelligent reader understands that headlines are shorthand and meant to catch the reader's eye. That's why the article needs to be read. Tell me, do you have any substantive disagreement with the actual article?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BossLady

Hospital bed/ICU availability in Sumter County AND having all necessary medical staff/supplies/techniques/treatments, equipment available right here is on my mind.

I wonder if/how the hospitals in the area have prepared for the Pandemic; since we bought time during those months we spent in lock-down so they could stock up and get ready for this?? I wonder how local hospitals spent that time? How many Ventilators around here? Just how ready are Hospitals for this in a community, specially built for Seniors, which this virus targets? I hope forward-thinking is being applied. This might need to be another thread?

I do not want to get who-knows-how sick even if it doesn’t kill me.

The states of Arizona, Arkansas, and Texas did NOT learn from the NY and even Italian CV experience during their months of reprieve. So, why would we?

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by ffresh

I didn't "rail" against anything. As a rational reader could confirm, I stated, "another viewpoint". So, a differing viewpoint is railing against:

rail against (someone or something) To protest, criticize, or vent angrily about someone or something

Wrong choice of words, I believe

In addition, the site is hosting a video interview with a "front line" trauma nurse who served in Iraq (or Afghanistan … I forget) and then, Elmhurst in NYC, turned "whistleblower", who, IMHO, has no reason to lie or exaggerate - unlike the hospitals receiving $13k for C-19 patients and $39k, if placed on a ventilator (reported by many sources). This video interview has been removed by the usual suspects who do not want their narrative toppled. That is why it's hosted on "banned videos" and I would highly recommend that you watch it. So, your point, again, was what exactly?

Fred

so one nurse on a video from a far right source should be given as much credence as the many, many doctors and nurses who have described a nightmare of work or the 600 who have died treating patients. and how do you know she doesn't have a motive to lie....there are plenty of people saying preposterous things...you know, the 15 minutes of fame and all

sorry if my choice of words riled you.....

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by maggie1

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.

Liars, liars, pants on fire! And those NYC bodybags contained mannequins!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Slapnut

Thanks for the truth. I wish everyone would wise up and realize just how misleading and lying and controlling these news reports and articles are. Once they have you scared and believing their crap then they can force you to do whatever they want

Liars, liars, pants on fire. And all those bodybags in NYC have been photoshopped!

[cherylncliff]

Deaths will lag a surge by 2-6 weeks just by the way the disease progresses. Also, improved therapeutic treatments have improved survivability but the long term effects of severe infection, even in the younger patients, seem to be rather dire including potential cognitive impairment, decreased lung capacity and cardiovascular damage. Feel free to put your own life at risk with risky behavior but please stop putting everyone else at risk by denying the science.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ffresh

Thanks for this useful post, which confirms what many of us know to be true. The MSM are the sycophants (lap dogs) of the state. It's analogous to the role Pravda played in soviet Russia, not long ago. The amazing thing is I used to observe the phenomenon when I was young and think, how sad that the Russian people are continually propagandized in this manner, never suspecting that one day, we would be subjected to far worse, i.e. from "all sides" at "all times". Some say that one significant difference is that the Russian people knew that they were being lied to.

Fred

Come on. I believe that Pravda was very "fair and balanced" for the right comrades.

[TomPerrett]

How ever you look at it covid is attacking and killing. So if it makes you feel better to move the numbers around go ahead. Florida now has the distinction of having the state with the greatest single day of reported cases.
So believe what you want and hope you’re alive to see the end result .

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by theruizs

But we can trust a faceless self appointed data expert on TOTV?

Point-----touche

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast

On the upside, the concerns about climate change have evaporated seemingly overnight.

But like CV Global Warming does NOT stop even if people stop believing.

[blueash]

BossLady
Hospital bed/ICU availability in Sumter County AND having all necessary medical staff/supplies/techniques/treatments, equipment available right here is on my mind.

You can see a daily report of hospital data by county HERE
Workbook':' Public

I cannot find an archive so if you want to follow the data I suggest writing down the numbers. There is also a tab of number of patients admitted with a PRIMARY diagnosis of Covid. This is not a number of all patients in the hospital who are Covid positive only those where COVID is the reason for hospitalization

Sumter on Jul 12 reports:
Total hospital beds 347
Covid patients [primary diagnosis] 20
Total ICU beds 40
ICU beds open 9

I cannot answer your questions about equipment. More importantly I cannot answer your concerns about level of expertise. Having a ventilator does not tell you about the quality of the doctor, nurse, and resp therapist. In many critical conditions small hospitals simply don't have enough experience with cases to have well trained and prepared staff. That's why you often hear of really sick patients being transferred to larger facilities.
This state does not report whether the ICU beds are occupied with COVID patients.

[skip0358]

So how accurate are the numbers? I was tested last week got a call that night telling me I was negative, got a call the following day stating the same thing then Saturday I got a third call telling me I was negative once again. I'm glad I was negative for sure BUT was that 3 negative test then or just one? It's a numbers game for sure. Don't know who to trust anymore period.

[ffresh]

Food for thought:

Harry Vox Predicts What’s Happening Now in 2014
YouTube

Fred

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by WayneDuo

Its hard to believe any of you numb-skulls feel arguing about the number of deaths is a good thing. The facts we all know are the Feds screwed this up very badly and the gov is a hand puppet for the leader of the free world.

Everybody knows, the Feds screwed this up
Everybody knows, the hand puppets are to blame
Everybody knows, the dice are loaded
That's how it goes, when everybody knows