[Two Bills]

Don't know why people expect the truth, or straight forward facts anyway.
It's election year.
As the man said, "lies, damned lies, and statistics!"

[maggie1]

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.

[Dana1963]

I’m not to worried about the death count it’s the amount of positive testing over 9000 daily and admissions to hospitals. If people are admitted it then turns into a financial issue. If a person tests positive and do not require hospitalization will they actually quarantine. 60% of workers in Florida do not get medical insurance or paid time off. PPE expires July 26th.
Deaths reported is not fake news. The current infections are not due to protests that was at its height over 5 weeks ago.

[crash]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The are a few things that I'm curious about. I'd like to see the number of positive cases each day by county. It seems to me that the vast majority of cases are being discovered in Miami-Dade, Brevard and Palm Beach counties.
I also understand that the majority of new cases have been in the 18-40 year age group.
Could this be because when bars were re-opened that a lot of young people began going to bars while ignoring social distancing? Could some of the bar owners have ignored the maximum occupancy requirements in an effort to make up for lost business?

I also don't seem to be able to find the number of new cases by state as a percentage of the population. Florida is the third largest state in the country. It stands to reason that we'd have the third most cases, but we are fourth.

Another number that I've never seen is the number of people that have had the virus and have had recovered. How many "active" cases are there?

It seems that the more people that currently have the virus the more of a danger it is. But people that have had it and have recovered are no longer a danger. So far there have been about 3.2 million cases in the US, but that is a total number of people that have had it. It's a bit misleading because it makes it seem as though there are 3 million contagious people running around with the virus. Same thing for Florida. The have been 244,000 cases in Florida, but that doesn't mean that that many people still have the virus.

Older people are in greater danger of dying from Covid-19. It would stand to reason that Florida would have the highest percentage of deaths from the virus.

I'm not drawing any conclusions from any of this. I'm just saying that we're not being given all of the information, or many of us are missing much of the information that we need to form an opinion of what's going on.

Obviously, this virus is very serious. 180 countries around the world are treating it as such. But still, looking at bits and pieces of information and cherry picking certain numbers doesn't help anyone or anything.

Add to that the fact that it is in the best interest of the media to sensationalize everything and I have to question how informed we are.

We are definitely not getting all the info. They fired the lady who did the dashboard because she would not manipulate the data as DeSantis ordered.

[crash]

Originally Posted by maggie1

My feelings exactly! I don't believe the physicians and nurses that show signs of exhaustion, and complain about not having ample supplies, and are holding the hands of the patients while they die, are giving us fake information.

Right with you Maggie and to some it will only come true when it hits close to them.

Crazy kids having COVID parties who think it is a joke. It is not fake news. Take the simple advice to protect yourself and others WEAR a MASK and social distance.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by Annie66

You don't have to trust the news if that is your political slant, but a death is a death is a death. You cannot call that fake news.
According to the FL Covid web site, we had 11,385 reported new cases and 93 new deaths yesterday. Those are real tragedies for families and not just numbers. So you can poo-poo the media reporting but if it leads you to disbelieving the seriousness of this pandemic, then just wait. You'll no doubt become personally enveloped in the crisis, whether as a Typhoid Mary spreader or a victim, and thus one of the statistics.

Exactly, deaths are recorded by the Florida department of health on the day they are reported. The original poster would like the recording to be recorded on a different date, increasing the numbers on the prior date based on his preference to accuse the media of distorting data.
The total number of deaths would not change, and the media is reporting data, not distorting data.
It’s the desire to call it fake news to minimize the impact of COVID 19 deaths.
Others tried to claim that COVID 19 deaths are underreported, however the total number of deaths compared to prior years is actually greater than the number of COVID deaths reported. If someone, for example has heart disease, also has COVID 19 and dies ina hospital the recording of death may say COVID 19, since that Person would not have died otherwise, although the underlying condition contributed to his or her death.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by xNYer

Exactly, deaths are recorded by the Florida department of health on the day they are reported. The original poster would like the recording to be recorded on a different date, increasing the numbers on the prior date based on his preference to accuse the media of distorting data.

This isn't very complicated or hard to understand. There were 120 death certificates turned in on July 9. The death certificates have the date the person actually died. To actually know what is happening you need to have a chart that shows actual date of death, this way you can see what the actual trend is. When a newspaper puts up a headline screaming "deadliest day ever" it's a lie. 120 people did not die on July 9.

Here is how the 120 deaths were allocated properly to the actual date of death.

[Slapnut]

Thanks for the truth. I wish everyone would wise up and realize just how misleading and lying and controlling these news reports and articles are. Once they have you scared and believing their crap then they can force you to do whatever they want

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Slapnut

Thanks for the truth. I wish everyone would wise up and realize just how misleading and lying and controlling these news reports and articles are. Once they have you scared and believing their crap then they can force you to do whatever they want

You are welcome. It is amazing how many people here will defend fraudulent charts and panic porn headlines. What could be more simple than presenting the death data accurately?

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

Attachment 85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

Attachment 85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

Thanks for this useful post, which confirms what many of us know to be true. The MSM are the sycophants (lap dogs) of the state. It's analogous to the role Pravda played in soviet Russia, not long ago. The amazing thing is I used to observe the phenomenon when I was young and think, how sad that the Russian people are continually propagandized in this manner, never suspecting that one day, we would be subjected to far worse, i.e. from "all sides" at "all times". Some say that one significant difference is that the Russian people knew that they were being lied to.

Fred

[biker1]

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and your clear explanation of what is going on. I appreciate your postings on COVID-19 and hope you continue to post.

Originally Posted by GoodLife

This isn't very complicated or hard to understand. There were 120 death certificates turned in on July 9. The death certificates have the date the person actually died. To actually know what is happening you need to have a chart that shows actual date of death, this way you can see what the actual trend is. When a newspaper puts up a headline screaming "deadliest day ever" it's a lie. 120 people did not die on July 9.

Here is how the 120 deaths were allocated properly to the actual date of death.

Attachment 85193

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Boblib68

And who do we trust? Our government? Come on

Neither … the government and MSM, without question, are in a licentious relationship with one another!

Fred

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Sounds scary doesn't it? But it's a flat out lie meant to scare you. Panic Porn

That's the headline the Orlando Sentinel went with today, and they opened the story with this.

Florida reported 120 new COVID-19 fatalities on Thursday — the single biggest daily increase — pushing the death toll past 4,000 and coming after weeks of exploding coronavirus cases across the state.


Florida reports 120 COVID-19 fatalities, its deadliest day of pandemic - Orlando Sentinel

Here is the graph they presented charting Florida deaths.

Attachment 85176

Wow...very scary, deaths are rising must be that surge of new cases.

The problem with the Sentinel's headline and chart is there were only 9 deaths from covid 19 on Thursday. The rest of the 120 deaths were from previous dates and to make a correct chart you have to backfill reported deaths to the date they actually happened. I am pretty sure they know this but 120 deaths in a single day just makes for great panic porn headlines.

Here is a correct chart with deaths listed on the actual day they happened.

Attachment 85177

So far total of 135 deaths in July for Florida. This number will rise as deaths by actual date are backfilled. It takes time for deaths to be coded at hospitals, sent to the county, then the State and CDC.

It's unfortunate that we can't trust media reports on just about anything.

But we can trust a faceless self appointed data expert on TOTV?

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by soniak4@gmail.com

You don’t need to be scared. You need to be smart!! Nobody is trying to scare anyone. Facts are facts, irrespective of how you want to spin them. This is a pandemic. If you are smart, you will stay away from large crowds for extended periods of time. If you are smart, you will wear a mask when you have to be around a lot of other people. If you are smart, you will stay home if you are not feeling well. If you are smart, you will protect yourself and those around you. There is no need to be afraid but there is a huge need to be smart. Calling people names does nothing but show your ignorance. You want to believe this is a hoax? Ok, but stay home and pretend all you want. That’s your right. Stop being the problem and become part of the solution.

I didn't see anyone (including the OP) claiming it was a hoax, just that the MSM, in this case the Orlando Sentinel, is dealing in sensationalism. And to dogmatically claim that "Nobody is trying to scare anyone" is utter nonsense. There are MANY out there trying to keep the masses in a constant state of fear, on this issue and many others. It necessitates one using critical thinking and a dollop of discernment to see through the lies and propaganda. If one does not believe this, or is incapable, then you are subject to "having the wool pulled over your eyes" often and in many cases.

Fred

[Bonnevie]

I think you only have to look at the actions of The Villages powers that be to realize it's still a very big threat. This past week was supposed to allow the start of an activity that I enjoyed participating in. there was to be new restrictions to allow for social distancing, etc. but they were cancelled. the fact that the Daily Sun had not one but two front page articles about the virus was very telling. The virus remains a very dangerous prospect for our community. And you can argue with the statistics all you want, but the numbers of Villagers testing positive is increasing. Just found out a woman on my street tested positive despite doing all the right things. I don't care if younger people are the ones getting it--they make up the staff serving in the restaurants.....so remain a source for infection. As long as people think wearing masks is optional, we are still at risk. The fact that younger people are getting it does not change the fact that I have been prevented from doing the activities I moved here for. If the virus could be controlled state wide then things could open up for everyone.