[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

You can find a book or a doctor or a fad or an internet source to support almost any position. There are no magic solutions, although you'll hear about a new one every day. I believe that living a joyful life will make you healthy.

And you base that belief on what scientific evidence? Isn't that a magic solution?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Dr. Earl Mindell R.PH., M.PH., PH.D, author of the Vitamin Bible, has stated that olive oil can help lower cholesterol. Olive oil was one of several food items listed for the purpose of lowering cholesterol. Dr. Mindell is a registered pharmacist.

Of course it goes without saying that some Italians can mess things up by overeating certain food items like spaghetti, meatballs and sausage. In other words, if they gain too much weight by overeating the wrong foods, olive oil and wine may not be enough to prevent disease.

According to Dr Esslestyn some studies have shown a slight decrease in LDL and a slight increase in HDL connected to olive oil. But longer term studies and autopsies of the people in these studies have shown no difference in coronary artery disease between the people in these studies.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

And you base that belief on what scientific evidence? Isn't that a magic solution?

No scientific evidence at all, no, not a bit. I don't think a joy-filled life is a magic solution or anything new! That style of living has probably been around for at least 3,000 years. But if you live a joy-filled life, even if you die young, you'll probably die happy. You won't find it promoted by Dr. Oz because he can't make any money from selling pills.

[jimbo2012]

Gracie, I'm only answering for myself not VillagePL,

This thread was about the Mediterranean Diet not vegan diet.

why you ask, simple only to allow others to investigate the benefits of a vegan diet with facts, not the writings of non qualified self proclaimed experts.

I have received PM's from folks here that thank me for bringing this to their attention.

I was first introduced be the books of Dr's. Dean Ornish Esseletyn and Campbell. These were the foundation of Bill Clinton's turn around in his diet.

I not only see the results in my wife and myself but other close family members and friends that changed the eating habits as have now several million in the USA.

Are there other diets that will help sure, the issue is do they help a little or lot.

Do what works for you if you like meat fine, do it, you're all adults.

Remember most vegans don't take any or very limited meds.


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[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

There are no magic solutions, .

You said it, a vegan diet is not magic, it's too simple.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

You said it, a vegan diet is not magic, it's too simple.

And Dr. Oz can't sell it in a pill.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

One of the problems that I'm finding is that it is sometimes difficult to find products that are recommended. For example it is very difficult to find non fat soy milk. I can find 1.5%. I did find some fat free, but it comes in small quantities and is vert expensive. Why is fat free cow's milk not allowed? It would seem to me that if the objective is to eliminate fat from the diet then fat free cow's milk would be better for you than 1.5% soy milk.

What about olives? I know that olive oil is prohibited, but what about olives? I find nothing in the book on that.

I also wonder why all oils are banned, but foods that contain those oils, such as corn are allowed. If I eat corn, am I not consuming corn oil?

I also have Dr Dean Ornish's book though I haven't read it yet. I understand that he allows egg whites and some other animal based proteins. Does anyone have any experience with the Ornish program?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Villages Pl. What is the motivation for the posting on here about the diet and health practices that you have chosen for yourself? Do you care about all of us? Are you concerned that your insurance rates will go up with all of our bad habits? Do you want to share your good information? Do you want to make a difference?

Why do baseball fans or baseball players like to talk about baseball? Why do people like to talk about books on the "book board"? Why do Villagers like to talk about the Villages?

I have found with these sorts of things that I can only marginally influence the folks who are most tuned in to me.

Sometimes one never knows how much someone else gets influenced. A few decades back I was restricting fat in my diet. That's because I kept hearing announcements on the radio that said, "eat less fat". Less? Less than what? And then one day I visted some friends and a woman told me, "you need some fat in your diet". Well, her suggestion didn't have an immediate effect but I always remembered it. And eventually I started reading a Zone book and learned how to consume some good fats in reasonable amounts.

I think it is interesting to know what others do about their diet and their health ....to a point...and that point is that I will consult the experts who guide my health issues; the institutions and doctors and medical experts who have saved my life and continued to guide my health choices.

Does that mean you depend on your medical doctor(s) for your nutritional/dietary advice? Is that your only source of information?

I have noticed that seven or eight people are trying the vegan diet that you and Jimbo promote. I hope that makes you feel good.

I'm not keeping score. And just because I'm a vegan doesn't mean everyone else has to be a vegan. You probably got that idea because I may have given the reasons why I think being a vegan is important for my health. I think it provides the lowest possible risk for all kinds of degenerative diseases. But if someone else decides to choose eating animal protein and doesn't mind the additional risk, that's their decision.

Again I ask. What is your goal in talking about your diet on this forum?

I explaned it above. What's your goal? Why are you here? What do you hope to accomplish?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

According to Dr Esslestyn some studies have shown a slight decrease in LDL and a slight increase in HDL connected to olive oil. But longer term studies and autopsies of the people in these studies have shown no difference in coronary artery disease between the people in these studies.

Based on what you have said above, what does the longer term study prove? That cholesterol makes no difference in coronary artery disease?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

One of the problems that I'm finding is that it is sometimes difficult to find products that are recommended. For example it is very difficult to find non fat soy milk. I can find 1.5%. I did find some fat free, but it comes in small quantities and is vert expensive. Why is fat free cow's milk not allowed? It would seem to me that if the objective is to eliminate fat from the diet then fat free cow's milk would be better for you than 1.5% soy milk.

Why do you need to drink any kind of milk? What is the point of it?

What about olives? I know that olive oil is prohibited, but what about olives? I find nothing in the book on that.

I had the same idea once until I read the nutrition label in the supermarket. The sodium content of olives is very high. The next time you go to the supermarket, read the label and see what you think.

I also wonder why all oils are banned, but foods that contain those oils, such as corn are allowed. If I eat corn, am I not consuming corn oil?

It's simply to keep fat consumption to a minimum. Whether it's necessary or not is another story.

I also have Dr Dean Ornish's book though I haven't read it yet. I understand that he allows egg whites and some other animal based proteins. Does anyone have any experience with the Ornish program?

I read a few of his books and I seem to remember that one of his books offered a choice of diet plans. And the idea is to pick one based on what you are trying to accomplish.

[lightworker888]

In one of the sources that my DH came across, I discovered an interesting fact that makes alot of sense to me in the larger picture. Apparently sand is in refined table salt and it is very abrasive in the arteries and the body sends cholesterol to the sites to stop the damage. In fact the H&L stand for High and Low in reference to the carriers of cholesterol, not the cholesterol itself.

We need cholesterol for many functions and if we stop using refined table salt and use unrefined sea salt (which is pink or grey and not white) then we would accumulate less cholesterol in our arteries.

Sodium in the processed foods and packaged foods are refined salts so even low sodium is the wrong kind of salt. We need salt in order to keep the potassium/sodium pump primed and balanced in our cells, so reducing table salt and using unrefined salt would be a health benefit. Redmond Real Salt, Celtic Salt or Himalayan sea salt are all good salts.

We take 1/2tsp in warm water every morning as soon as we get up and then I salt food liberally. All the essential minerals and trace elements are in the salt so you are getting a good natural source of nutrition.

Just some information that I thought was worth sharing. Also, watch the amount of soy you consume as it is next to impossible to get non-gmo soy and if you are anywhere near hypo thyroid it can really send you over the edge. There are so many other options that I avoid it as much as I can.

FWIW
LW888

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Why do you need to drink any kind of milk? What is the point of it?

I use it in cereal. It's also in several recipes in Dr Esselstyn's book.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

In one of the sources that my DH came across, I discovered an interesting fact that makes alot of sense to me in the larger picture. Apparently sand is in refined table salt and it is very abrasive in the arteries and the body sends cholesterol to the sites to stop the damage. In fact the H&L stand for High and Low in reference to the carriers of cholesterol, not the cholesterol itself.

We need cholesterol for many functions and if we stop using refined table salt and use unrefined sea salt (which is pink or grey and not white) then we would accumulate less cholesterol in our arteries.

Sodium in the processed foods and packaged foods are refined salts so even low sodium is the wrong kind of salt. We need salt in order to keep the potassium/sodium pump primed and balanced in our cells, so reducing table salt and using unrefined salt would be a health benefit. Redmond Real Salt, Celtic Salt or Himalayan sea salt are all good salts.

We take 1/2tsp in warm water every morning as soon as we get up and then I salt food liberally. All the essential minerals and trace elements are in the salt so you are getting a good natural source of nutrition.

Just some information that I thought was worth sharing. Also, watch the amount of soy you consume as it is next to impossible to get non-gmo soy and if you are anywhere near hypo thyroid it can really send you over the edge. There are so many other options that I avoid it as much as I can.

FWIW
LW888

What you say about refined vs unrefined may be true, but from what I understand the amount of salt that our bodies need is very, very small. So, I don't think that I'll be liberally salting my food.
Also, I have high blood pressure so doesn't even the unrefined salt increase blood pressure in those who suffer from hypertension?

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I use it in cereal. It's also in several recipes in Dr Esselstyn's book.

We use unsweetened almond or soy milk, Blue Diamond, or Pacific brands in wax container look on shelf not in fridg, but after opening must put in fridg. they cost about $2-$3 a quart.

We go to Publix, Whole Foods, Trader Joes, many other supermarkets.

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Also, I have high blood pressure so doesn't even the unrefined salt increase blood pressure in those who suffer from hypertension?

Correct, remember you need to monitor your BP in a few weeks will start to drop.

In a few months you may need to talk to your Dr. about cutting down on your BP meds, look for slight dizzyness as a first sign, but if you get a inexpensive unit from a store try to take your BP and write it down several times a week.

The plaque in your body will start to decrease as it does the wall of all your blood vessels will be more flexible which is why your BP will drop.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

In one of the sources that my DH came across, I discovered an interesting fact that makes alot of sense to me in the larger picture. Apparently sand is in refined table salt and it is very abrasive in the arteries and the body sends cholesterol to the sites to stop the damage.

Never heard that before, please tell us the source of that info.

How does sand get absorbed into the blood stream, I find that difficult to how a solid grain can pass thru the cells.

Oil damages the arteries like that and plaque forms.

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SALT in general

Salt-composed of sodium and chloride-is a mineral that is ubiquitous in the food supply. Unfortunately, this means that it is too easy to take in large quantities without even realizing it. We only need 1,500 mg per day, and yet, the average American consumes 3,466 mg daily. High amounts can lead to or exacerbate high blood pressure, can increase the risk of gastric cancer, and are taxing on the kidneys.

Many people are also salt-sensitive. A mere teaspoon of salt contains 2,300 mg of sodium, which is already more than our daily requirement. To prevent over consumption, limit processed foods, cheese, many restaurant dishes, and cook with as little salt as possible. Further, add the salt you cook with towards the end of cooking so the flavor will be noticeable. Remember that your palate quickly adjusts to how much salt you consume…the more you have, the more you need. It is easy to slowly wean off salt, and eventually, you will notice you don’t prefer salty foods.