[wereback]

Has anyone though about the people that live by that path and on that street is it possible that the path has been closed that they may have some peace.

[Happy Villager 1]

Originally Posted by Applepie

I live south of 466 however, I am concerned about the "wall". I have what I think might be a soluation to the problem. The 3 groups which the wall affects are- TV, especially the historic side, Harbor Chase, and Spruce Creek. Our golf cart trails are not public streets. They are owned by the developer and the residents of TV. They are not like our streets where any one may travel (we are not a gated community). Why not install a gate like at Hickory Head Hammock. The gate could only be triggered by our gate cards. There would be no button to push. ONLY villages residents would have the card. This would keep the people from Harbor Chase and Spruce Creek out. I know people will say I am being snobby by not letting Spruce Creekers in, However they do not pay for the upkeep of the trails, we do. Our trails are getting crowded as TV gets bigger. Maybe it's time to limit access to other communities. The people from the outside are still welcome to dine and shop only they must use public roads not our private golf card trails.

Applepie I couldn't agree more! There are also people living in Lakeside Landings that illegally cross 472 onto Promise Healthcare property and enter via the gate that crosses the Belmont Golf Course. All they do is manually
lift the gate. I had sent an e-mail more than four years ago to Janet Tutt regarding residents having to pay to maintain the multi-model paths while nonresidents access them for free. At that time I was told the developer was in talks with the property owner on the other side where this wall has now been erected but nothing ever came of it. If non residents want to use
the multi-model paths then the counties should take them over like they do our roads and everyone pays for them out of their taxes. I have used the
dirt trail to go to Lowe's and my doctor but I will now use the car.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Did the VCDD, TV execs, TV sales office, and other staff members tell you who told them they aren't allowed to comment?

Why did Gary and/or Mark Morse wake up one day and say 'you know those people over there just have it too nice. What more can we do to those people'? We've closed the Silver Lake restaurant, we've closed the OBCC restaurant and tiki bar, we've closed the church on the square (where many of these people have worshiped for years).

There is just no logical explanation for this action...only silence. Harold Schwartz would roll over in his grave if he knew how many of his old friends are being treated.

"They" didn't close the Orange Blossom restaurant. The restaurant who was leasing the facility failed to renew the lease. I am sure that the Morses want to rent it to a new restaurant business, greedy and dispicible as they are. If it is sitting there empty..they aren't getting rent money. Could it have been that the restaurant folks weren't making as much money as they wished, or their business had dropped for some reason?

The wall is the issue. Maybe you are right and Gary is an ugly greedy person. Those of you who are posting that yet haven't moved here, maybe you should rethink it.

I hope the answer will not be that we will never know why. Because many are sure that they do know why.

[red tail]

Originally Posted by wereback

Has anyone though about the people that live by that path and on that street is it possible that the path has been closed that they may have some peace.

see post #106

[BettyCrocked]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

"They" didn't close

The wall is the issue. Maybe you are right and Gary is an ugly greedy person. Those of you who are posting that yet haven't moved here, maybe you should rethink it.

I hope the answer will not be that we will never know why. Because many are sure that they do know why.

Bless your heart. I don't need to rethink anything. I spend at least one week per month at my home there and this issue does have an impact on me.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Happy Villager 1

Applepie I couldn't agree more! There are also people living in Lakeside Landings that illegally cross 472 onto Promise Healthcare property and enter via the gate that crosses the Belmont Golf Course. All they do is manually
lift the gate. I had sent an e-mail more than four years ago to Janet Tutt regarding residents having to pay to maintain the multi-model paths while nonresidents access them for free. At that time I was told the developer was in talks with the property owner on the other side where this wall has now been erected but nothing ever came of it. If non residents want to use
the multi-model paths then the counties should take them over like they do our roads and everyone pays for them out of their taxes. I have used the
dirt trail to go to Lowe's and my doctor but I will now use the car.

If the issue was a non-resident using the path then a proper gate system should have been installed to only let Village Residents have access. However this punishes the Village resident living in the historic section. I believe there was more village traffic then non-village traffic using this entrance. Remember there is less incentive for a Stoncrest or Spruce Creek resident to come all the way over to the Villages as they have direct access to Walmart, Aldis, Cracker barrel, Lowes, and the doctors offices. What else would they need on a daily basis.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Did the VCDD, TV execs, TV sales office, and other staff members tell you who told them they aren't allowed to comment?

Why did Gary and/or Mark Morse wake up one day and say 'you know those people over there just have it too nice. What more can we do to those people'? We've closed the Silver Lake restaurant, we've closed the OBCC restaurant and tiki bar, we've closed the church on the square (where many of these people have worshiped for years).

There is just no logical explanation for this action...only silence. Harold Schwartz would roll over in his grave if he knew how many of his old friends are being treated.

That isn't true is it??

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by BettyCrocked

As many of you have said, I don't understand why people who aren't affected by this continually post condescending (some downright snide) remarks.
Better yet, why don't they show up at one of the rallies and make their patronizing comments to the faces of the people who have been hurt by this!

Maybe they're irritated by the perception propagated by many of the people adjacent to the property which was trespassed, that they are the ONLY people with special needs, requirements and transportation in The Villages and the only people deserving of special arrangements. It would make our lives so much easier down by 466A to make holes in many fenced areas of The Villages to access facilities in an illegal way so we could give our cars away and have a 5 minute ride to work or shop in stores.

It is a hardship, no doubt, to the people who used the shortcut on a regular basis. But what's amazing here is that when talking to different people over the years that lived in this area, they expressed hope that the hole in The Villages wouldn't be closed. People knew it was a possibility but were willing to take the risk. And that opening hasn't been like that for 20 years, there was a gate there for carding; hmmm..... wonder how many times that gate was damaged so people could enter The Villages property without passes and The Villages stopped repairing it because of this. The opening was only to allow Villagers into the Villages medical businesses, period, NO FURTHER.

Now the Morse's are contending with businesses building adjacent to their property that are advising people, "you will have access to The Villages". Large pieces of property are waiting development in this area which could be more dense residential living.

I believe shortly Spruce Creek residents will be allowed to cross 441/27 in golf carts and this will also supply them direct access into The Villages residential areas. Spruce Creek is gated and we can't access them without getting in a car or street legal and driving there. Stonecrest is also walled up tighter than a drum for entering but their residents are advising us that we'd better let them use our community paths and bridges or else.... Really?

The liability and implications of The Villages allowing access to non-Villagers through that terrible trail, I would think, are huge. It was a short-cut that has been removed and rather than blame The Villages, why not take a look at the neighboring property owner who brought this upon you. He could get busy and build some highway bridges with his money to make life easier for all of us. It's not up to the Morse's to provide private access to The Villages for surrounding developments.

This "dictator" garbage gets a little old, this is an enclosed community and a gap has been repaired.

Most of all, remember many of us in The Villages struggle with issues that make everyday living difficult. Problems don't start and end at the Historic section. Advising the rest of The Villagers to stay out of it and to suck it up because the Historic section should have special treatment over the rest of The Villagers is divisive.

I feel the wall should stand at this point, it's time to close the hole. I wish the wall could be placed at the end of the medical complex so people could easily access those facilities. Perhaps if all the raging and ranting were directed at finding a solution for transportation to the stores and back, people would less frightened and more hopeful. And I do hope good remedies are found for another life change.

[wereback]

I can't believe what people are saying about something they have no clue about I have lived here long enough to watch Mark Morse grow up he in a nice person all the things being said kind of say what kind of people are moving here lately. Before you write something and send it read what you are writing before you send

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

For those of you who are talking about something you know nothing about, here is a photo of the cart gate in question.
As you can see, it is not some "hole in the fence" short cut to some banned area. It is a cart gate, similar to many other gates placed throughout the Villages to allow carts to get to areas without using the highways. There is another one very similar to it that goes from Tarsson to the post office.

This gate was built a long time ago to allow access to that area. Now it have been closed with no explanation.
If there is a good reason for it's closing I think that Villages residents are owed, at the very least an explanation.

[nitakk]

Ashamed??? I think not! I was so proud to see the crowd at SS this morning - probably about 200 people with signs and protesting the wall, which is a right all Americans have. Channel 9 was there and the POA president said we will try to reach an amicable agreement with the developer and if not, they will pursue legal options. VHA?? Nowhere in sight (what a surprise huh?). The Daily Sun photog was there and I asked him directly if the newspaper would finally report this - he said all he could do was submit the pictures. And by the way, both my husband and I left our numbers with the Executive Offices and were promised a call back today with why the wall was put up - no call. If there is shame in this whole action, it's all on the developer.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by wereback

I can't believe what people are saying about something they have no clue about I have lived here long enough to watch Mark Morse grow up he in a nice person all the things being said kind of say what kind of people are moving here lately. Before you write something and send it read what you are writing before you send

I don't know any of the Morse's. I have only lived in the Villages for a little over a year. But, I have defended the Morse's against attacks made ny people on this forum simply because they made a lot of money by providing so many people with a wonderful life. I don't begrudge them anything that they have earned. In fact I admire the people who take the chances and invest the money and are successful. People who I've spoken with that know the Morse's have told me the same thing that you are saying about them. That they are fine people and I have no about that.

That being said, it is quite obvious that this wall is on Villages property. It seems that it would have to be either put there by order of the Morse's or at least with their knowledge.

Maybe there is a good reason for that wall being built. Whatever the reason, I think that the residents of the Villages deserve at the very least, an explanation.

[gocubsgo]

Great photo Dr W...for those of you who have no clue as to the seriousness of this situation (and there are quite a few I see), the wall was put up where it says Cart Trail on the photo.

All of you who are laughing at this and calling us whiners, I want you over there on the south side to imagine a wall going up and blocking off Colony Plaza with no way to get around it. I'm tired of everyone thinking this a "get over it" situation.
This thing was slapped up in the middle of the night. That doesn't say up and up to me...that says sneaky. NO notice and no regard for the fact that residents were going to be stuck on the other side trying to get in after working all night! It's cold, cruel and harsh. I missed a DR appt this morning because my husband took the car and I couldn't get over there! That's not "you people have no clue"...that's reality and reality for us sucks right now.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

If the issue was a non-resident using the path then a proper gate system should have been installed to only let Village Residents have access. However this punishes the Village resident living in the historic section. I believe there was more village traffic then non-village traffic using this entrance. Remember there is less incentive for a Stoncrest or Spruce Creek resident to come all the way over to the Villages as they have direct access to Walmart, Aldis, Cracker barrel, Lowes, and the doctors offices. What else would they need on a daily basis.

Panera Bread coffee and danish!

Also, there was a cart gate there but it was removed.



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[rhondac]

There was a gate years ago that Villages Residents used their cards to enter. Knowing other communities residents use The Villages doggie park and our multi-modal paths,etc.. I often wondered why it wasn't fixed, especially when I heard that some non-residents were golfing after hours....... I am still a happy Villager and I love my home in CC Hills, but we forsee many changes as build out completes. I have used the path numerous times in my 9 years here. My granddaughter LOVED that SLOW bumpy ride, with giggles all the way.....we would take a relaxing break at the picnic tables in the small parklike setting along the route looking for butterflies and cardinals in the pretty flowers, then we would grab some pretty flowers to plant at Lowes and enjoy an ice cream at Sonic. Walmart for some girly shopping time. Not that this will hinder our enjoyment, but like the buffalo, this child will be saddened and will question why. I have seen restaurants close and remain vacant for years. Our Hilltop Country Club is now closed. Who knows for how long. I know Harold Schwartz would not approve of many changes that have occured through the years. If and when the music stops we will head to The Keys...........My 1st thought about this was for the employees of those businesses (yes, some residents have to work and a spouse has just a golf cart)) and our elderly neighbors that are on fixed incomes that relied on this path for whatever reason.............IMHO....this isn't over.......

Originally Posted by Happy Villager 1

Applepie I couldn't agree more! There are also people living in Lakeside Landings that illegally cross 472 onto Promise Healthcare property and enter via the gate that crosses the Belmont Golf Course. All they do is manually
lift the gate. I had sent an e-mail more than four years ago to Janet Tutt regarding residents having to pay to maintain the multi-model paths while nonresidents access them for free. At that time I was told the developer was in talks with the property owner on the other side where this wall has now been erected but nothing ever came of it. If non residents want to use
the multi-model paths then the counties should take them over like they do our roads and everyone pays for them out of their taxes. I have used the
dirt trail to go to Lowe's and my doctor but I will now use the car.