[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Rollie I happen to agree with GG. Its not about the golf carts Its about the in your face fact that we can escape certain costs and still have the same Lifestyle experiences.

The Developer is right in preventing this sort of abuse because of the aforementioned . How does a sales person address that question "why should I pay $XXX when I can have the same things living down the street and paying $XXX

I wish he could build an entire wall around entirely around The Village. On the other hand I understand agree and welcome anyone to the public squares and if it were not done would encourage it

Frankly the golf cart thing is not important to me. I only use my golf cart for golf and often walk the executive courses and when I do I drive my car over to the course. but the "free mentality thing"does concern me because of the issue of abuse. where does it stop. This isn't a little matter this is a basis for gradual but continuing abuse that can and will affect quality of life here...if I can drive the cart paths why can't I use the executive courses, the swimming pools, the ..........................it is the way some people think

If I can wear casual clothes to work why can't I wear sandals and cut off jeans what's the diff mentality

But not everyone thinks like that........truthfully. A lot of the homes in Stonecrest have their own pools.
So, why would anyone want to drive a golf cart all the way to TV to swim in their pools?

The home we rented in TV had a pool under a birdcage off the lanai. It was so nice.......our son and daughter in law and baby loved it.........no need to even use the Villages community family pool, although we did have the passes.

If say, we were to buy outside of The Villages, and wanted to bring our guests for dinner at the Lighthouse Restaurant or Waterfront Inn, we would drive our car.......not use a golf cart.

When we visited TV for over one month, we used our car all the time.........as it was airconditioned. If we went shopping, we definitely needed the car.....

The only time my husband used the golf cart was for a very short spin to Subway or to take our daughter in law on a short cruise around. Then she and our son did the same.......very short distance from the home we rented.

No one used the golf carts to go very far at all.......certainly not over those highways to Stonecrest or Walmart or Aldis....etc...or even the town squares in TV. Too far and too hot. The auto traffic was busy enough.

I really wouldn't worry.......myself personally, about being swamped with golf carts if we buy in THE VILLAGES...........

[Golf View]

Originally Posted by OldManTime

A crew started working on it today when i went by.

Stonecrest people are outraged, they want to enjoy our amenities with out paying for it.

Which amenities would that be? They want to come over & spend money at our shops & restaurants. Their golf carts would take up less parking space than their autos.

[Ooper]

Originally Posted by Golf View

Which amenities would that be?

Mainly our multimodal paths that The Villages residents pay to build and maintain. Let outsiders use public thoroughfares.

[livsea2]

Originally Posted by Ooper

Mainly our multimodal paths that The Villages residents pay to build and maintain. Let outsiders use public thoroughfares.

Well using the same logic the "public roads" in Marion county were built and are maintained by the village residents. Should they also be off limits to all except residents of that village. I mean we can extrapolate that logic to nonsensical extremes if you wish. Maybe we just exclude non county residents? Non Florida residents? Non US residents? Once you choose to exclude you must choose who to exclude.

[mulligan]

I think the thing that confuses me about these "wall" discussions is that any carts that might enter at the "berlin wall" would use PUBLIC streets to get to the bridge, and then public streets to move around the SS area. When they decided to go to LSL, they would be on a private multi-modal trail from the gate on Morse @466, to the roundabout at LSL. I really don't see that as a major wear and tear problem. Sounds like the only issue might be from a marketing point of view, with outside developments selling "access" to TV amenities. The large Provident assisted living complex @ 466A & powell Rd is selling the same way, telling prospective renters that they will provide transportation to "Villages Amenities" ( I personally experienced this when investigating the project as a possible home for my mother).

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Golf View

Which amenities would that be? They want to come over & spend money at our shops & restaurants. Their golf carts would take up less parking space than their autos.

Exactly what I said earlier about my husband being a merchant and welcoming all people from all surrounding areas and not limiting his customer base to only those who lived in our small town of 16,000. We are surrounded by farmlands and the Green Mountain Forest........so the ones out in the "boondocks" up in the mountains and out in the countryside would come "down into town" to shop...........any wise businessman knows you do not build walls or pit people against people.........this isn't Nazi Germany. This is a historical comment, not a "P" one.

This entire dialogue does not sound very friendly to me......

No matter where we end up, I still believe it is a free country.

Again, if people have their own inground pools, why would they want to swim in TV's pools? They also have their own golf courses and their own rec centers. Apparently they enjoy a smaller population base and the peace and quiet as another mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Traffic congestion I do understand.

If it bothered me, I'd live where there is no traffic.

The way TV is set up, there is a lot of traffic on those interior main roads where all the stores and restaurants are. The back streets in the neighborhoods are fine.

I would bet that after awhile of living in TV, people discover short cuts around "town" just as we knew which way to avoid our "leaf peepers" when they'd flock up here every October.......after 911 it tapered off, but that's also when a lot of them fled the metro areas for Vermont, perceiving it as safe.........ha. It still is relatively safe.......and the drug lords are on the run.....out of town. Be careful you don't scare away all of your potential home buyers. Not talking to you Golf View.

All of the adverts we get claim that TV is the Friendliest Town....

I still believe that it is......but it just takes a few to upset the apple cart.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Exactly what I said earlier about my husband being a merchant and welcoming all people from all surrounding areas and not limiting his customer base to only those who lived in our small town of 16,000. We are surrounded by farmlands and the Green Mountain Forest........so the ones out in the "boondocks" up in the mountains and out in the countryside would come "down into town" to shop...........any wise businessman knows you do not build walls or pit people against people.........this isn't Nazi Germany. This is a historical comment, not a "P" one.

This entire dialogue does not sound very friendly to me......

No matter where we end up, I still believe it is a free country.

Again, if people have their own inground pools, why would they want to swim in TV's pools? They also have their own golf courses and their own rec centers. Apparently they enjoy a smaller population base and the peace and quiet as another mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Traffic congestion I do understand.

If it bothered me, I'd live where there is no traffic.

The way TV is set up, there is a lot of traffic on those interior main roads where all the stores and restaurants are. The back streets in the neighborhoods are fine.

I would bet that after awhile of living in TV, people discover short cuts around "town" just as we knew which way to avoid our "leaf peepers" when they'd flock up here every October.......after 911 it tapered off, but that's also when a lot of them fled the metro areas for Vermont, perceiving it as safe.........ha. It still is relatively safe.......and the drug lords are on the run.....out of town. Be careful you don't scare away all of your potential home buyers. Not talking to you Golf View.

All of the adverts we get claim that TV is the Friendliest Town....

I still believe that it is......but it just takes a few to upset the apple cart.

Some of this is confusing to me, especially what's highlighted. Would you invite people to park in your driveway if it meant making it more difficult for you to get out of your garage? It's not a case of living somewhere where there is less traffic. It's a case of preventing traffic overload where you already live.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Some of this is confusing to me, especially what's highlighted. Would you invite people to park in your driveway if it meant making it more difficult for you to get out of your garage? It's not a case of living somewhere where there is less traffic. It's a case of preventing traffic overload where you already live.

Who would be parking in anyone's driveway?

I understand the concern about excessive traffic.

Would they really park in your driveway?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Who would be parking in anyone's driveway?

I understand the concern about excessive traffic.

Would they really park in your driveway?

It was a metaphor.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Exactly what I said earlier about my husband being a merchant and welcoming all people from all surrounding areas and not limiting his customer base to only those who lived in our small town of 16,000. We are surrounded by farmlands and the Green Mountain Forest........so the ones out in the "boondocks" up in the mountains and out in the countryside would come "down into town" to shop...........any wise businessman knows you do not build walls or pit people against people.........this isn't Nazi Germany. This is a historical comment, not a "P" one.

This entire dialogue does not sound very friendly to me......

No matter where we end up, I still believe it is a free country.

Again, if people have their own inground pools, why would they want to swim in TV's pools? They also have their own golf courses and their own rec centers. Apparently they enjoy a smaller population base and the peace and quiet as another mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Traffic congestion I do understand.

If it bothered me, I'd live where there is no traffic.

The way TV is set up, there is a lot of traffic on those interior main roads where all the stores and restaurants are. The back streets in the neighborhoods are fine.

I would bet that after awhile of living in TV, people discover short cuts around "town" just as we knew which way to avoid our "leaf peepers" when they'd flock up here every October.......after 911 it tapered off, but that's also when a lot of them fled the metro areas for Vermont, perceiving it as safe.........ha. It still is relatively safe.......and the drug lords are on the run.....out of town. Be careful you don't scare away all of your potential home buyers. Not talking to you Golf View.

All of the adverts we get claim that TV is the Friendliest Town....

I still believe that it is......but it just takes a few to upset the apple cart.

Senior, I am SO looking forward to you being here FULL TIME so all this makes a little more sense to you and to me. I LOVE people. We have two friends of 40 years who live in Stonecrest. We were young parents together in Indianapolis. We enjoy them and think they are smart and nice and wonderful and are glad that they come to The Villages and visit us and go to the restaurants and shops and do whatever they like here.

However, when they moved to this area a few years back, they had the same option to move to The Villages or Stonecrest or any of the other local developments as any of us did. There are perks and deficits wherever you choose to live.

We cannot do some of the things at Stonecrest that they can do. AND vice versa.

I am NOT adamant or anguished or concerned at all about the gate. It isn't causing my blood pressure to rise one tiny bit. It just makes sense to have some restrictions. OR NOT. If someone presents a good argument I will change my mind.

Who told you I was two faced? What does two faced mean? I try to be genuine to all and honest, but not brutal.

[tucson]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Thank you Tuscson. Appreciate that.

I figured being it was on a main highway, it might just be available to all, but was not certain.

Not to mention that the age limit was 18 years old and up, with TV being an age restricted community.........some attendees of the L.L.C. must come from outside the "campus" as some call TV, meaning all the myriad of surrounding towns and 55+ communities, not just Stonecrest.

After living in TV for 8 yrs, we decided that for our desires in our lives, (right now) it was more advantageous to buy just outside TV in a 55+community that's very similar to TV, but also just a few miles away to still do the things we did while living in TV. We are very happy & believe we made the right decision by moving to Del Webb. I drive less miles NOW to TV than when I lived in TV to the same stores I used then. (I still use my golf cart golfing at Del Webb like I did in TV, I never did use the golf cart much going shopping, dining, etc., so I could care less about that concern. ( it's no big deal) I always was more concerned to be in an air-condioned car & getting to my destination quicker than driving in a hot,slow golf cart. My 8 yr. old house (on the golf course) that we bought in D.W. would cost me probably 550,000 in TV. I bought it for way under 250,000. a few mos. ago, to me it's a no-brainer, just sayin..... :-) We have many clubs, a huge community bldg., 3 big pools, a real nice fully equipped fitness ctr.( that's included in the amenity fee) w/a indoor exercise pool and spa, complete w/trainers, Massage Therapists, fitness classes, dance classes, yoga,etc,etc. When you come down to the area you should really ck it out)

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Senior, I am SO looking forward to you being here FULL TIME so all this makes a little more sense to you and to me. I LOVE people. We have two friends of 40 years who live in Stonecrest. We were young parents together in Indianapolis. We enjoy them and think they are smart and nice and wonderful and are glad that they come to The Villages and visit us and go to the restaurants and shops and do whatever they like here.

However, when they moved to this area a few years back, they had the same option to move to The Villages or Stonecrest or any of the other local developments as any of us did. There are perks and deficits wherever you choose to live.

We cannot do some of the things at Stonecrest that they can do. AND vice versa.

I am NOT adamant or anguished or concerned at all about the gate. It isn't causing my blood pressure to rise one tiny bit. It just makes sense to have some restrictions. OR NOT. If someone presents a good argument I will change my mind.

Who told you I was two faced? What does two faced mean? I try to be genuine to all and honest, but not brutal.

You were an English teacher, supposedly? Right? After being a kindergarten teacher.

Actually, I do not divulge personal confidences in public forum.
Unlike some folks.

But here's a good quote........


"Be careful who you trust, because as quickly as they say they are your friend is as quickly as they can turn their backs on you."

Let's just say I don't get the humor.......and leave it at that.

Authentic and honest is what everyone should strive for, especially at our ages. My husband and I are not yet in our second childhoods......

PEACE

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by tucson

After living in TV for 8 yrs, we decided that for our desires in our lives, (right now) it was more advantageous to buy just outside TV in a 55+community that's very similar to TV, but also just a few miles away to still do the things we did while living in TV. We are very happy & believe we made the right decision by moving to Del Webb. I drive less miles NOW to TV than when I lived in TV to the same stores I used then. (I still use my golf cart golfing at Del Webb like I did in TV, I never did use the golf cart much going shopping, dining, etc., so I could care less about that concern. ( it's no big deal) I always was more concerned to be in an air-condioned car & getting to my destination quicker than driving in a hot,slow golf cart. My 8 yr. old house (on the golf course) that we bought in D.W. would cost me probably 550,000 in TV. I bought it for way under 250,000. a few mos. ago, to me it's a no-brainer, just sayin..... :-) We have many clubs, a huge community bldg., 3 big pools, a real nice fully equipped fitness ctr.( that's included in the amenity fee) w/a indoor exercise pool and spa, complete w/trainers, Massage Therapists, fitness classes, dance classes, yoga,etc,etc. When you come down to the area you should really ck it out)

Thank you so much for sharing your own personal experiences and opinion.
It's how my husband has felt all along..........re the prices and what you get for them. It sounds as if you have the best of all worlds.......

Is your Del Webb the one near Tampa or the one in Summerfield, Florida?
I'm not sure if Spruce Creek is a Del Webb community? I know that Stonecrest is built by Armstrong Homes.......

My husband's cousin lives in Spring Hill north of Tampa but below Brooksville, Florida...........not sure if that is a Del Webb.

Again, thanks for sharing and we do value your insight.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

You were an English teacher, supposedly? Right? After being a kindergarten teacher.

Actually, I do not divulge personal confidences in public forum.
Unlike some folks.

But here's a good quote........


"Be careful who you trust, because as quickly as they say they are your friend is as quickly as they can turn their backs on you."

Let's just say I don't get the humor.......and leave it at that.

Authentic and honest is what everyone should strive for, especially at our ages. My husband and I are not yet in our second childhoods......

PEACE

I was NEVER an English Teacher.

I was NEVER an English Major.

I have NEVER even been arrested.

I am an uneducated farm girl.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Who would be parking in anyone's driveway?

I understand the concern about excessive traffic.

Would they really park in your driveway?

It's difficult to believe all this prattle has been resurrected as to how horrible The Villages is for maintaining the product it has built and charged it's residents accordingly to live within it's perimeters and have the special perks that come within those home prices and fees.

For Stonecrester's to assume the "holier than thou attitude" is probably the most upsetting. Stonecrester's don't want to live in The Village's, many make disparaging remarks about The Villages, (the remark a woman from Stonecrest made at an earlier gate meeting which Gracie reported, comes to mind...) and that The Villages isn't friendly because we won't kowtow to Stonecrest is laughable.

To those Stonecrester's I say, punch a hole in your wall so everyone from The Villages can enter your compound at will so we can use what is available to us to use. We won't use anything we shouldn't. Why should we have the hassle at the front gate and go through clearance, that's extra effort to be able to access Stonecrest and we find it a great hardship.

And while you're at it, Stonecrest, make a hole at the other end of the compound too because that would make it much easier for the street legals from The Villages to get to the streets on the backside.

Someone posted on here that they only come in about 5 times a year and ripped on how wrong it is to put that gate in place, SERIOUSLY? Getting in your car 5 times a year to do the little business you have to do in The Villages does not sound like a problem to me.

People, there isn't a problem with this gate being reinstalled, (remember, there was one there previously). If one feels one needs to have the ready access to businesses located in The Villages by regular golf cart, move to The Villages, period. Stonecrest is more than welcome to use their autos in The Villages as that is the way this community was designed.

If we all respect each others communities, there will be strong healthy relationships between the us. We don't want Stonecrest to provide or do things for us that is not in their design, we ask for the same.

Senior, think about this scenerio... you move to The Villages and your neighbor across the street asks you to leave your front door and back door unlocked so they can get to the neighbor's house behind you quickly and they won't touch anything in your house on the way through. That way they wouldn't have to jump on their bike to travel to their friend"s house. Good arrangement for everyone, right?