[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Look around at 100,000 + people living in a fairly nice environment. Several hundred successful businesses providing jobs for thousands. Home sales holding steady or rising when the rest of the country is struggling. Looks fairly sound to me.

so building a wall that prevents villagers from accessing villages facilities is a good thing? sheesh!

[Warren Kiefer]

Originally Posted by Applepie

I live south of 466 however, I am concerned about the "wall". I have what I think might be a soluation to the problem. The 3 groups which the wall affects are- TV, especially the historic side, Harbor Chase, and Spruce Creek. Our golf cart trails are not public streets. They are owned by the developer and the residents of TV. They are not like our streets where any one may travel (we are not a gated community). Why not install a gate like at Hickory Head Hammock. The gate could only be triggered by our gate cards. There would be no button to push. ONLY villages residents would have the card. This would keep the people from Harbor Chase and Spruce Creek out. I know people will say I am being snobby by not letting Spruce Creekers in, However they do not pay for the upkeep of the trails, we do. Our trails are getting crowded as TV gets bigger. Maybe it's time to limit access to other communities. The people from the outside are still welcome to dine and shop only they must use public roads not our private golf card trails.

This post confuses me a lot. First your statement about the trails is not true. All trails and paths North of 466 are owned by the CDD's. And why would you think the Developer has a desire to keep outrsiders out. Have you ever noticed that the town squares encourage outsiders and there are no limitations to outsiders other than Katie Bells.. Championship golf courses are open to outsiders.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

A precast wall section needs 30 days to cure BEFORE installation - - -

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Since this seems to be the same type of wall that is used all over the Villages, I would be surprised if they have hundreds of sections like these in storage somewhere in the event that a section has to be replaced.

Again, I'm not sure how this is relevant. I think that pour purpose should be to either have the wall removed or be given a reasonable reason for it's existence. Our purpose should not be to demonize the developer or anyone else.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by EdV

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it.

But regarding access by Stonecrest residents, let me give you my thoughts. Stonecrest has around 2000 homes, but unlike TV where there are roughly 40,000 golf carts, Stonecrest has at most 500 carts. And of those, not many of them would be using that dusty cart path and the narrow golf cart bridge to Spanish Springs very often. The importance of Stonecrest in the golf cart path into TV has been grossly exaggerated.

Clearly there is something else afoot and time will tell as we sort it out. But I haven�t seen this much excitement on TOTV in quite a while.

Buckle Up as Bettie Davis once said.

You are right Ed.........this even outdoes the dog poop threads.
Hope you are feeling better soon.

[njbchbum]

peachie posted that there was a permit meeting...how did peachie know that? i wonder when and where it was held? it has been posted several times that no permits were issued for instaallation of this wall. hmmmmm......

and peachie did not answer my question about how/why they think stonecrest residents will soon be able to cross 441/27?

who is peachie and where do they get their information?

[chuckinca]

The precast wall was ALL installed on the early morning of Saturday 8/10/13.

The installation included a center precast "H" frame to slide the 2 wall sections into. The center H frame was attached to a drilled cast in place concrete pier - that was installed that same morning. The pier probably needed at least 7 days cure time before it could properly support the approx 6,000 Lbs or so of the two precast panels.

I wonder what licensed structural engineer approved the installation in one day - and maybe the Town of Lady Lake will also.

PS: Stand back of the wall for a few more days in a stiff wind.

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[EastCoastDawg]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

Stand back of the wall for a few more days in a stiff wind.

I have seen a Humvee cart in TV - maybe if s/he took a good run at the wall...

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by OldManTime

Scott Wilder of the Villages Community Watch reported that someone had spray painted the new wall blocking the Paradise Drive golf cart path. I informed him that without a victim we could not ascertain if a crime had actually occurred without first speaking to the owner. I asked him if he knew who the owner of the property (wall) was since the Town had not received any permit application for the construction. He informed me that he did not, but he would be calling someone (did not indicate who) to have them contact the Town for any necessary permits.

Just an update on the wall issue (see below). The Property Record Card shows the owner of the lot as The Village of Lake-Sumter, Inc. It is a platted residential lot and no improvements are shown on it. Staff is still looking into this and I will keep you posted.

Just to give you an update on the wall at Paradise. spoke with a Randy Thompson earlier (around lunch time) from AgeWave Solutions. He was inquiring about what would be required to remove the improvements on the property at 1157 Paradise Drive so that a single family residence could be put on the lot, just inquiries at this point. I requested to see the survey that he had so that I could share it with the building official to determine the scope of what would be removed, permits, etc. While it appears that the land upon which the wall was erected is in the Town, when I receive this survey I will be able to confirm that with greater certainty.

To date there are no permits filed for the wall that was constructed, nor have any demolition permits or other permits affiliated with new construction of a residence on the property. I have also verified this morning that Sumter County was not approached about permitting of the wall, nor would they be able to permit it anyway as they felt it was in the Town as well. Sam Wartinbee stated that the district had nothing to do with the wall. The image below shows the property line. The farthest line to the left is western boundary of the VCCDD tract, also being the county boundary. Unable to locate any Lady Lake permits for the existing improvements in the property.

I'm a little confused about this post. Are you saying that someone is looking at building a house on the golf cart access lot, or is someone looking to remove the existing structure at 1157 Paradise and build a new home?

[gomoho]

Channel 9 coverage was very disappointing - maybe 10 seconds and didn't really cover the issue.

[chuckinca]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

and peachie did not answer my question about how/why they think stonecrest residents will soon be able to cross 441/27?

I believe peachie is correct concerning Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents crossing 441/27. There is a new Fla law that allows carts to cross at certain locations with local authority approval. Spruce Creek made an application to Marion Cty early this year to cross 441/27 at the stop light by Sun Trust (in front of their main gate). The roads between the Stonecrest CC walls and 441/27 are owned by Stonecrest Commercial Corp who approved the Spruce Creek Cart access on their property allowing carts to travel to Walmart and points south. Stonecrest property owners voted on the issue and also approved it.

Stonecrest and Village carts that get beyond the new wall and get Stonecrest Commercial approval if required will be allowed to cross 441/27 - I don't know where they go from there. Maybe a new path in front of Spruce Creek to get to the stores by CVS and McDonalds; maybe into Spruce Creek to use the existing automatic gate from Spruce Creek into the CVS and McDonalds area.

Marion County hasn't finalized the crossing yet.

[N44125]

Channel 9 showed that the wall had been spray painted with graffiti. I was disappointed to hear that / see that. I have always bragged about TV being graffiti free.

Can someone post a picture of the wall with the graffiti?

While I agree that the wall is wrong and handled incorrectly by TV management, I also feel that we don't have to resort to vandalism.

[spk7951]

Originally Posted by chuckinca

I believe peachie is correct concerning Spruce Creek and Stonecrest residents crossing 441/27. There is a new Fla law that allows carts to cross at certain locations with local authority approval. Spruce Creek made an application to Marion Cty early this year to cross 441/27 at the stop light by Sun Trust (in front of their main gate). The roads between the Stonecrest CC walls and 441/27 are owned by Stonecrest Commercial Corp who approved the Spruce Creek Cart access on their property allowing carts to travel to Walmart and points south. Stonecrest property owners voted on the issue and also approved it.

Stonecrest carts will be allowed to cross 441/27 - I don't know where they go from there. Maybe a new path in front of Spruce Creek to get to the stores by CVS and McDonalds; maybe into Spruce Creek to use the existing automatic gate from Spruce Creek into the CVS and McDonalds area.

Marion County hasn't finalized the crossing yet.

Marion County has approved the crossing. Played golf last week at Spruce Creek and did notice golf carts crossing 441 from both sides of that traffic light.
Marion County Commission establishes golf-cart crossing for U.S. 441 in Summerfield | Ocala.com

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

peachie posted that there was a permit meeting...how did peachie know that? i wonder when and where it was held? it has been posted several times that no permits were issued for instaallation of this wall. hmmmmm......

and peachie did not answer my question about how/why they think stonecrest residents will soon be able to cross 441/27?

who is peachie and where do they get their information?

Hi, njbchbum. Sorry if my sentence was vague, the permit I was referring to was that needed to build the assisted living center. If you traveled the path in question prior to the assisted living center being built, you would have seen the signs posted pleading with people to support this building project they would be sure to get them through their lot on a cart. (You know, vote purchasing to get their project approved.)

Approval has been given for SPRUCE CREEK residents, not Stonecrest as you indicated, to cross 441/27 in their golf carts, at their entrance intersection with the traffic lights. This was published earlier this year and, I believe, details and signage are being worked out. Perhaps EdV can provide more details but it was approved. I was somewhat surprised others from the Historic section hadn't referred to this fact. Stonecrest would, of course, also be able to cross to Spruce Creek in their golf carts but I don't think Spruce Creek will let them in.

(Thanks Chuckinca and spk7951 for the crossing verification.)

And I get my information from standard news sources and signage observation. Hope this helps, now back to the subject at hand...

[champion6]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Channel 9 coverage was very disappointing - maybe 10 seconds and didn't really cover the issue.

Originally Posted by N44125

Channel 9 showed that the wall had been spray painted with graffiti. I was disappointed to hear that / see that. I have always bragged about TV being graffiti free.
Can someone post a picture of the wall with the graffiti?
While I agree that the wall is wrong and handled incorrectly by TV management, I also feel that we don't have to resort to vandalism.

Here is a link to the Channel 9 story: Wall cutting off popular golf cart path upsets Villages residents | www.wftv.com
gomoho, it is about 1:45 and was broadcast about an hour before the brief report that you saw.

[Rickg]

If you keep up the pressure you'll get answers. If you give up in a few days the wall will certainly stay and you will get no answers. Even an hour a day in front of the sales office will not be tolerable by the developer. He will at least get you answers IF he isn't the one responsible. The sidewalks should be public property. If the Sumter Co. PD. comes and asks you to move, do so. They in all likelihood will work with you and tell you where you may picket. The best plan would be to contact them (county PD) in advance and advise them of your plan, ask where you may picket. As long as you keep walking there should be no issues.