[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Diver

If you leave a few minutes early, maybe you wouldn't need to be in a "hurry"" !

Can't agree more---110%

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

Sorry, but strongly disagree. As someone posted above, it is not up to YOU to enforce the law. Remember, the idiot driving 100 mph is not exercising good judgment to start with. When you slow down even further just to p*ss him off, YOU now create a hazard for him, you, and everyone else in the area as he desperately will pull any half as* move to get around you. You have no idea why he is driving like that. He may just be a jerk, or he may have his wife in labor, or he may lose his job if he's late one more time and his kids will starve. HE is NOT bound by YOUR opinion of how he should drive, that's what the police are for. If you feel obligated to do something, report him and his plate number, but get out of his way first.
Imagine you are driving your grandkids to Disney on I-75 and come up on someone whose "opinion" is that no one should exceed 30 mph even on an interstate. Honestly, how patient would you be? Then that person slows down even more, purposely, to cram THEIR opinion of driving down YOUR throat. Kids are screaming "are we there yet", and this bozo is turning a 1 hour drive into 2 1/2. You might be tempted to do something questionable to get past him as well.
So please, be safe and just get out of the idiot's way

[Miles42]

Laws of any kind are guide lines for honest people. They are meaningless to criminals. It is just that simple.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Can't agree more---110%

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

Sorry, but strongly disagree. As someone posted above, it is not up to YOU to enforce the law. Remember, the idiot driving 100 mph is not exercising good judgment to start with. When you slow down even further just to p*ss him off, YOU now create a hazard for him, you, and everyone else in the area as he desperately will pull any half as* move to get around you. You have no idea why he is driving like that. He may just be a jerk, or he may have his wife in labor, or he may lose his job if he's late one more time and his kids will starve. HE is NOT bound by YOUR opinion of how he should drive, that's what the police are for. If you feel obligated to do something, report him and his plate number, but get out of his way first.
Imagine you are driving your grandkids to Disney on I-75 and come up on someone whose "opinion" is that no one should exceed 30 mph even on an interstate. Honestly, how patient would you be? Then that person slows down even more, purposely, to cram THEIR opinion of driving down YOUR throat. Kids are screaming "are we there yet", and this bozo is turning a 1 hour drive into 2 1/2. You might be tempted to do something questionable to get past him as well.
So please, be safe and just get out of the idiot's way

Well said. And I might add, he also may have a gun.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by looneycat

no you cannot get a ticket for impeding traffic even if you are speeding, you are never allowed to speed. nobody can make you move over if you are doing the speed limit. the impeding traffic law says you can get a ticket for going 10mph or more under the speed limit in the left lane.

That is not true. Florida law states that if you are in the left hand lane and impeding the traffic behind you, you must move over and allow them to pass regardless of how fast they, or you are going.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Can't agree more---110%

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

Sorry, but strongly disagree. As someone posted above, it is not up to YOU to enforce the law. Remember, the idiot driving 100 mph is not exercising good judgment to start with. When you slow down even further just to p*ss him off, YOU now create a hazard for him, you, and everyone else in the area as he desperately will pull any half as* move to get around you. You have no idea why he is driving like that. He may just be a jerk, or he may have his wife in labor, or he may lose his job if he's late one more time and his kids will starve. HE is NOT bound by YOUR opinion of how he should drive, that's what the police are for. If you feel obligated to do something, report him and his plate number, but get out of his way first.
Imagine you are driving your grandkids to Disney on I-75 and come up on someone whose "opinion" is that no one should exceed 30 mph even on an interstate. Honestly, how patient would you be? Then that person slows down even more, purposely, to cram THEIR opinion of driving down YOUR throat. Kids are screaming "are we there yet", and this bozo is turning a 1 hour drive into 2 1/2. You might be tempted to do something questionable to get past him as well.
So please, be safe and just get out of the idiot's way

I think that this is the whole point of that law. It is far more dangerous for someone who is exceeding the speed limit to be weaving in and out of traffic trying to pass people in the left hand lane than it is for people in the the left hand lane to simply move over and allow them to pass.

I see it all the time on 27/441. Cars in the left hand lane going the speed limit and below and other cars come up behind them wanting to pass. The faster car then looks for an opportunity to pull out into the right hand lane, sometimes with not enough space, and then go around the car in the left hand lane only to swing back in, in front of him. This is a very dangerous manouver. If you're going the speed limit or below keep in the right hand lane except to pass. If everyone did this, there's be a lot less accidents.

Now, some of those people driving slowly in the left hand lane will say that those accidents are not their fault and they might be right. But if you can do something to prevent or lower the incidents of car accidents, why would you not do it?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I can't stand road bullies, they make me slow down even more

I don't like road bullies either. That's why I think that they should get out of the left hand lane and stop bullying me in going what they believe is the proper speed.
To me there is nothing worse than seeing a caravan of cars in the left hand lane with some road bully making them all go below the speed limit. These road bullies are what cause a lot of accidents.

[twoplanekid]

This is the only section of Florida law that I can find that deals with this issue.

Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014

5.11.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph.

[Average Guy]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

This is the only section of Florida law that I can find that deals with this issue.

Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014

5.11.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph.

Section 5.23, Traffic Lanes, from the Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014 states:

"If the road has four or more lanes with two-way traffic, drive in the right lanes except when overtaking and passing."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

Now, some of those people driving slowly in the left hand lane will say that those accidents are not their fault and they might be right. But if you can do something to prevent or lower the incidents of car accidents, why would you not do it?

My late father used to say this about those people---"They'll never get in an accident, but they'll cause a whole bunch of them"---so true

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by twoplanekid

This is the only section of Florida law that I can find that deals with this issue.

Official Florida Driver’s Handbook • 2014

5.11.1 - Driving Too Slowly is also Against the Law
Drive with the flow of traffic (within the speed limit). You should not drive so slowly that you block other vehicles moving at normal, safe speeds. When driving slower than the flow of traffic, keep right so others may safely pass. You can be issued a ticket for driving too slowly. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph, the minimum speed limit is 50 mph.

You must have missed this one:

According to the newly revised Florida State Statute 316.081, “a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed.”

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Here's the entire law. The bold is mine.

Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES
Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL
View Entire Chapter
316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.—
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width, a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:
(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;
(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided any person so doing shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;
(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes for traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or
(d) Upon a roadway designated and signposted for one-way traffic.
(2) Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) On a road, street, or highway having two or more lanes allowing movement in the same direction, a driver may not continue to operate a motor vehicle in the furthermost left-hand lane if the driver knows or reasonably should know that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed. This subsection does not apply to drivers operating a vehicle that is overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or is preparing for a left turn at an intersection.
(4) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, no vehicle shall be driven to the left of the centerline of the roadway, except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under paragraph (1)(b). However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the centerline in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road, or driveway.
(5) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I think that this is the whole point of that law. It is far more dangerous for someone who is exceeding the speed limit to be weaving in and out of traffic trying to pass people in the left hand lane than it is for people in the the left hand lane to simply move over and allow them to pass.

I see it all the time on 27/441. Cars in the left hand lane going the speed limit and below and other cars come up behind them wanting to pass. The faster car then looks for an opportunity to pull out into the right hand lane, sometimes with not enough space, and then go around the car in the left hand lane only to swing back in, in front of him. This is a very dangerous manouver. If you're going the speed limit or below keep in the right hand lane except to pass. If everyone did this, there's be a lot less accidents.

Now, some of those people driving slowly in the left hand lane will say that those accidents are not their fault and they might be right. But if you can do something to prevent or lower the incidents of car accidents, why would you not do it?

You do know 27/441 has left hand turns. So people my be going the speed limit to turn left. 441 is so heavy traffic I'm not going to get in the right lane when I know I'm going to turn left mile up the road and I am not going to go 65 in 45 speed limit.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

You do know 27/441 has left hand turns. So people my be going the speed limit to turn left. 441 is so heavy traffic I'm not going to get in the right lane when I know I'm going to turn left mile up the road and I am not going to go 65 in 45 speed limit.

The law covers that and I understand that people need to make left hand turns. I don't know that I've ever seen traffic so heavy that I could move over a half mile or so before I wanted to make a left hand turn.

I think that might be part of the problem. People don't know how to change lanes.

I don't get all this talk about "heavy traffic" down here. Where are you people from? Did anyone ever live in or around a major city and have to deal with rush hour traffic? I've never seen traffic on 441/27 any worse than what I'd describe as moderate.

[Diver]

If I am in the left hand lane it is because I am passing cars in the right lane. So am I supposed to slow down to get in the right hand lane to let you go by because you want to go more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

The law covers that and I understand that people need to make left hand turns. I don't know that I've ever seen traffic so heavy that I could move over a half mile or so before I wanted to make a left hand turn.

Think that might be part of the problem. People don't know how to change lanes.

I don't get all this talk about "heavy traffic" down here. Where are you people from? Did anyone ever live in or around a major city and have to deal with rush hour traffic? I've never seen traffic on 441/27 any worse than what I'd describe as moderate.

Any time I got set through 3 stop light to make left hand turn that's heavy traffic or the traffic backed to from the stop light ahead and I can't go on green that's heavy traffic to me.


I'm from NE or Cala we it's about me. Everybody else get out of my way. I am the important one here the left lane is for me and I can go the speed I want to go!

That the problem attitudes with no reguard for the law.